Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I will but not now* lol

tired as ****

 

[Orboknown]

Is the planter indy or mafia orbo?

I think it would be indy. not completely sure though.

Sorry guys, I haven't read, and I won't.
But after tonights actions I want to be moved to last place in claiming. Explanation will come after claiming, though I doubt it will accomplish much.

in claiming our NAs?

 

[Orboknown]

im leaning toward ran being that vine thing, because iirc everyone who has flipped has had some form of PR and he has something that makes you look at him before continuing on your merry way? seems off.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'd post a vote count but y'all are depressing.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Waiting for Ranmaru and GlyphMuscles to get it.

So far:
JTB > shot Meow. Saw Ranmaru. Got a collar.
Orbo > saw Ranmaru.
Ranmaru > ised his ability.
Jupiter > ??.
Xonar > ??.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Actually, **** it.

I have good reason to believe JDietz is scum with JTB. Will elaborate tomorrow when I wake up and stuff.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'll also drop my opinion of the remaining players, then we're going to start working towards a consensus on multiple subjects.

Meanwhile, feel free to indulge this thread with information.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Well apparently everyone in the goddamn game is town so I'm really hyped to hear what you've got Xonar.

As for Mr. JTB, I think he's full of **** with that result he reported. Laundry's ****ed with our images each time, but at the core of every ability received was still something at least based on what we did. The butt became a gas attack, the Gigabot with laser cannon became a mini-gigabot with a laser pointer.

But look at this. LOOK AT IT. We did everything in our power to make sure this **** would go through the way it was supposed to, at least to the point where even if it got messed with a little the basic idea would carry through. And yet we've got ... a dog collar. Okay, I can see Laundry doing that. He's an ******* like that. But where in god's name does the SANDWICH MAKING come from?!

And we're back to that 'I think JTB is full of ****' idea.

Then again, ****in MEOW apparently was telling the truth so god knows what's what in this game.

On the bright side, apparently JTB is getting abducted so we won't have to waste a lynch on him.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Actually, before I throw the info out, I want to see the direction everyone wants to go in.

3 questions:
Let JTB be abducted?
Lynch who today?
If the game is not won, lynch who tomorrow?

Orbo // JTB // Ran need to answer this. After that me > Jupiter will answer.



Anyone know where Ran is?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Also, someone compile all of Jupiter's inventions so far and their claimed effects.

So far:
Stinky Butt - Gas someone
Laser thing - Point a laser
Compliance Collar - Make a sammich

It's Day5 so I'm missing one.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Laser Eyepatch on N2. I didn't include it since we have no idea what it actually did.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

...

Alright. I'll get back at this once everyone posted their answers to my questions. No other information needed and preferably shouldn't be given. I want focus.

If I'm correct, we have, numerically speaking, a great chance of winning. Realistically speaking, we cannot lose.

So get at these:

3 questions:
Let JTB be abducted?
Lynch who today?
If the game is not won, lynch who tomorrow?

Orbo // JTB // Ran need to answer this. After that me > Jupiter will answer.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm here my bad. I just stay logged into hydra's all day erry day. Answering questions and such

 

[ranmaru]

I want to lynch Jupiter. Err.

You can let JTB be Adbucted.

Lynch Orbo.

Yeah. Right now I'm banking on you being town, Zone R.

 

[JTB]

Ran, you would lynch Orbo without letting him prove his power?

 

[ranmaru]

Nah. Xonar asked if game was not won, who we should lynch. I said Orbo.

Biceps for today.

 

[JTB]

Oh, I misread your post then =\

Can you reiterate your reasoning for Biceps?

And what are we looking for now? Was JDietz scum with Ryker?

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah I can.

I didn't like that sort of sheeped onto Xonar Yesterday. It's like yo, did you even consider reading Xonar yet? At that point, Xonar was just as useless as your slot, and it seemed like XonyPony was just trying to attack another inactive slot to get some cred.

Yet they just assumed town bros. I feel Biceps is just going with the flow here.

I also didn't like his 'Oh ran isn't tunneling us today how refreshing'. Like who gives a **** if I don't? Only scum. Especially when he gives crap meta on me. He has only played two games with me. DATS ETT. I think he might have purposely misrepresented me as a player, or just didn't take the time to really understand my play.

He says that I scumhunt on people that with disagree with me. That's misrepresentation.

Sure, sometimes I like ppl that can see what I see. And yes, if someone gets on my bad side, of course I will hunt them down.

BUT. What he omitted was that I DO look at intent. Such as Xonar's reason to attack you. I don't just look at people if they disagree with me or not. For example, in TT, I have had SO many arguments with Reyth, who obviously disagreed with me HARD. But guess what, I didn't think he was scum for that. Later on I flipped flopped on him, but in the end, I felt he was town.

Also, I didn't like his reaction to my push on him. "Lol ran push so stupid ha" it discredits me and he only does that because he feels my points are weak, so I find that scummy because he would take advantage of that situation and not feel like commenting because I have already been shed in a dark light.

So yeah. Lynch biceps.

 

[JTB]

Lynch orbo, unabduct me, lynch ran

Xonar, what were your results?

 

[ranmaru]

Why do you want to lynch Orbo ToDay?

Also, can I have an opinion on Biceps?

 

[JTB]

Already went over that yesterDay and that's also assuming he doesn't prove his power on me.

I want to hear biceps address the meow/detective town flips first before I get my opinion on them and what they plan to do since their case is moot now

 

[ranmaru]

But I thought u thought orbo was indy?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Waiting for Orbo's list.

Plan Ranmaru:
Abduct JTB
Lynch Biceps
--------
Lynch Orboknown

Plan JTB:
Unabduct JTB
Lynch Orboknown
-------
Lynch Ranmaru

 

[Orboknown]

let JTb disappear,
lynch ran today.
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lynch.. idk. Xonar i guess if ran isn't the abducter.

 

[Orboknown]

Well apparently everyone in the goddamn game is town so I'm really hyped to hear what you've got Xonar.

As for Mr. JTB, I think he's full of **** with that result he reported. Laundry's ****ed with our images each time, but at the core of every ability received was still something at least based on what we did. The butt became a gas attack, the Gigabot with laser cannon became a mini-gigabot with a laser pointer.

But look at this. LOOK AT IT. We did everything in our power to make sure this **** would go through the way it was supposed to, at least to the point where even if it got messed with a little the basic idea would carry through. And yet we've got ... a dog collar. Okay, I can see Laundry doing that. He's an ******* like that. But where in god's name does the SANDWICH MAKING come from?!

And we're back to that 'I think JTB is full of ****' idea.

Then again, ****in MEOW apparently was telling the truth so god knows what's what in this game.

On the bright side, apparently JTB is getting abducted so we won't have to waste a lynch on him.

you weren't kidding when you said you wrote an essay

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

**** it I was bored.

Alright guys.


Part 1: Tonight and Xonar

Part 1a: Observations

The first thing I noticed was that there was once again only one kill last night, which really probably means that JTB is the last scum.

But there is something else that happened last night. Besides the fact that I looked at Ranmaru, someone also "pointed a laser at me". JDietz had a laser, remember? Now, this laser didn't do anything, so that is cool, but it is very likely that JDietz pointed it at me in the fear of me discovering JTBs identity or something.
I see no town reason for JDietz to point the laser at me.


Part 1b: Results

After writing a report on JTB, I didn't get a lot of responses. Apparently people think he is a very gruesome man with a select group of friends. He is alone a lot lately. Two responses total.

How this is initially open for a lot of interpetation, but there are a few things that help me put it into context.

First of all, there is the fact that he is a very gruesome man. An abductor is not gruesome, so he can't be the indy posing as mafia at all or anything similar. He is also alone a lot LATELY, which means he wasn't before, which makes sense when his two scum partners are dead.

The combination of these two facts make me think JTB is scum.




Part 2: Jupiter's Role

Jupiter, I'm sorry to say this buddy, but your role is a red herring.
The fact is, the Stinky Butt did nothing. The laser eyepatch did nothing. The collar does nothing. Hell, even the laser did nothing.

Short part is short.




Part 3: Reads on the players

(I'm assuming one of each left, scum and indy)

Part 3a: Jupiter

Jupiter is a town bro. Towntowntowntown. I literally have never had a town read this hard. Literally. That said, if there's anyone we are not going to lynch, it is Jupiter. Indy is... possible, I guess? His wrong targets mean nothing, by the way. Everything was pointing to the answers he was finding.

Part 3b: Orboknown

Orboknown reads pretty darn town to me. On the other hand, I've been entertaining the indy possibility, and I'd say that this slot is number one on the most likely indy list. I'm bad at reading lower level players, though. Would love a second opinion from Glyphmeister here.

Part 3c: Ranmaru

Ranmaru is my choice for second most likely indy in this game. Some things don't add up, sure, for example, why did he defend JTB? Which is why he is under Orboknown. Ranmaru's read on Jupiter, however, I disagree with, but that far from incriminates him, as I can see where he is coming from to some degree. I just think it's looking at the wrong side of things.

Part 3d: JTB

Scumscumscum. Bro, you made ALL THE NIGHT KILLS THIS GAME. I can't see you staying alive at this point.




Part 4: What we're going to do


Note: All these plans go through assuming worst case scenario. The fact that in 4a, Orbo is up for lynch tomorrow, doesn't mean we even get a tomorrow, we might've already won by then.

Part 4a: Planos numeros unos!

This is the plan I am initially proposing:

Abduct JTB
Lynch Ranmaru
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Left: Orboknown / Jupiter / Xonar
No Night Kill. JTB gone.
-------
Lynch Orboknown
-------


JTB, you think that the last is most likely between Orboknown and Ranmaru. With this plan, those targets will die.

Ranmaru, you think the last scum/indy is between JTB, Biceps and Orboknown. I think you and I both agree that scum is most likely in JTB, as JTB has made ALL THE NIGHT KILLS IN THE GAME, effectively meaning that if he was town then scum has NO NIGHT KILL.
Additionally, you probably agree that Orboknown is most likely the remaining indy. What I'm going to ask you is to "take one for the team" and trust my reads here.

Jupiter, I know you dig this plan. I don't need to convince you.


In this order, we get to keep our unplant!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPORTANTTTTt


Part 4b: Planos numeros dos!

Abduct JTB
Lynch Orboknown
-------
Left: Ranmaru / Jupiter / Xonar
No Night Kill. JTB gone.
-------
Lynch Ranmaru
-------

Basically the same plan, but in this version, we lose our unplant in trade of a more likely early finish. Not my favorite.


Part 4c: Planos numeros trois!

Abduct JTB
No Lynch.
-------
Left: Orboknown / Ranmaru / Jupiter / Xonar
No Night Kill. JTB gone.
-------
Lynch Ranmaru
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Left: Orboknown / Jupiter / Xonar
No Night Kill. JTB gone.
-------
Lynch Orboknown


With this plan, we have more time to think about it. We also keep our unplant in case things go horribly wrong. We also get more reports from me.
Hell, we could even no lynch more often, char dodge posts, and keep getting reports on players until I have the entire list reported.

Still not my favorite.

Part 4d: Conclusion

Yes, all these plans accomplish the same thing. A Xonar + Jupiter endgame. I honestly think the only opposed to this would be Ranmaru, who doesn't like Jupiter.

I honestly believe that this is the best course of action. I just can't see Jupiter being scum.

Mathematically speaking, this gives us a 3/5th chance to win. Realistically speaking, we shouldn't lose.

Vote: Ranmaru

Plan 4a is what I'd prefer going with. Everyone should post if they're opposed to it and why.

If you think Xonar and Jupiter are most likely town out of the player list, you should agree with the plan!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Getting a last moment ninja? Amazing.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Vote: Ranmaru

Because the mod is a blind guy and my post is like 50% bold.

 

[ranmaru]

Look. I can take one for the team... But I want you to show me why biceps is town from ur pov, cuz u say im lookin at it wrong. Help me look at it rite. Deal?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I didn't like that sort of sheeped onto Xonar Yesterday. It's like yo, did you even consider reading Xonar yet? At that point, Xonar was just as useless as your slot, and it seemed like XonyPony was just trying to attack another inactive slot to get some cred.

Difference between sheeping and agreeing.

Yet they just assumed town bros. I feel Biceps is just going with the flow here.

Just assumed or got a town read?

I also didn't like his 'Oh ran isn't tunneling us today how refreshing'. Like who gives a **** if I don't? Only scum. Especially when he gives crap meta on me. He has only played two games with me. DATS ETT. I think he might have purposely misrepresented me as a player, or just didn't take the time to really understand my play.

Fair point, but you should know that both players in the hydra joke around a lot. I understand where you're coming from with this one, though.

He says that I scumhunt on people that with disagree with me. That's misrepresentation.

Sure, sometimes I like ppl that can see what I see. And yes, if someone gets on my bad side, of course I will hunt them down.

But did he ever push you for it?
Pointing out that someone is doing something is an entirely different world from pointing out that they're actually scummy for it.

BUT. What he omitted was that I DO look at intent. Such as Xonar's reason to attack you. I don't just look at people if they disagree with me or not. For example, in TT, I have had SO many arguments with Reyth, who obviously disagreed with me HARD. But guess what, I didn't think he was scum for that. Later on I flipped flopped on him, but in the end, I felt he was town.

Alright, so maybe he had the impression that you didn't look at intent? I mean, I must agree with Jupiter that your reaction to me w.r.t the JTB ordeal was grimy as ****. JTB basically claimed to be responsible for every Night Kill in the game and you somehow defended him. See how that's weird?

Also, I didn't like his reaction to my push on him. "Lol ran push so stupid ha" it discredits me and he only does that because he feels my points are weak, so I find that scummy because he would take advantage of that situation and not feel like commenting because I have already been shed in a dark light.

Once again, fair point. Ridiculing is a legitimate form of defense in mafia though. They were probably set on RanScum already and didn't feel like responding. Scummy, true.

Overall, you have a few points, but they just don't compare to the town feeling I have.
I feel like they have been legitimately scum hunting. Their conclusions constantly match up with mine.
I just... never found the scum intent in their posts. The only you've really found is the fact that they disregard you... which is something I do a lot too (ridiculing players that get at me).

So, what are you banking on, Ranmaru? Jupiter indy? You must agree here that JTB is most likely the last scum. I 100% doubt JDietz is town and Jupiter is the last scum with the claim JTB did. Jupiter would have made him claim something else. Forcefully.
Jupiter indy... is a possibility. I just don't think it has more merit than Orboknown.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Seeing as JTB has no vote.
And Jupiter is probably game with me.

We need one of Ran/Orbo to vote for Ranmaru. Orbo, will you be online before deadline? If not, throw your vote on Ranmaru now. I'll unvote to prevent quickhammers.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Like, Ran, I see where you're coming from, but OrboIndy is more likely than JupiterIndy. Consider Orbo's role (but not too much) and his play. Jupiter on the other hand has been way out there.

 

[ranmaru]

Maybe the point where they agreed/got a town read on you I may have not read that much into.

Yeah I know they do.

No, they didn't push me for it.

Ok the reaction to your JTB push. The dude JUST claimed. I was still processing his claim and then you just come in and already arrive to the conclusion of JTB scum. I was like, this dude was in a super vacant slot, and then comes to attack another vacant slot? I don't like. I know Gova super lurks when he is a pr... but he does the same thing as town pr's, so that's why I'm kinda torn on ya and leaning to the town side now.

Anyways ok.

Also no. I wouldn't think Jupiter is indy. I am banking on Orbo being indy.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: I know gova super lurks when he is SCUM... blah blah blah

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It makes no sense for indyJupiter to give thread power to Xonar, yet he easily let me take it. He had it before that.

 

[ranmaru]

So i'll trust you on this.

I'll vote myself if I have to. I'm not the type to vote myself, but I know if town needs it I'll do it.

 

[ranmaru]

It makes no sense for indyJupiter to give thread power to Xonar, yet he easily let me take it. He had it before that.

Hmmm ok. I didn't see it like that.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Also no. I wouldn't think Jupiter is indy. I am banking on Orbo being indy.

Then there's no discussion to have.

My night actions clarify that JTB is most likely scum.
Murderbush was most likely scum.
JDietz is likely scum.

Indy is most likely Orboknown.

I haven't seen Jupiter handle Murderbush, but his handling of JTB is far from scum partners. Faaar from it. I think you can agree that Jupiter would've made JTB claim something else, especially with me in the game.

Soo I think we have an agreement here. Just have to wait for Jupiter now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Seriously dude I don't think you're indy over Orboknown but I'd rather take the safe route here.

Endgame with you and Jupiter would also be pretty bad. I'd rather not, as I also think it would give most townies a bad feeling, as you guys will probably cross-vote eventually.

 

[ranmaru]

I can understand going with the optimal/safe play.

Your thoughts make sense on Jtb/Orbo and I'm fine with them being gone as well.