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That doesn't mean Nintendo created the hoax. It just means somebody created a hoax and spread it around. Did Sabi even confirm it was related to Nintendo, or just said it was a hoax? I remember the latter from her posts.
Yeah, we know that much, but we don't know if Nintendo deliberately fabricated that as a whole hoax or not. It could have just been very mismanaged games of telephone.
My thoughts as well, I'm positive of Geno in this pass.
Yeah, Polar said it was an industry hoax, and Fatman confirmed Nintendo was the one who used it as leakbait:
If it's so easy, why hasn't anyone (as far as I'm aware) bought out an ad and linked it to the website to prove it yet?
Probably because they don't want the Nintendo ninjas coming at their door. Unlike something like the Grinch leak, this kind of thing is back-traceable. They can get into some hot water for it.
It think this is a fair point, but to play devil's advocate it also means that, assuming the leak is fake, which I think it is, the person who did it would have had those ninjas at their door, right? If they're involved enough in Smash speculation to have gone through these efforts, wouldn't they come out for clout by now?
You might think, but if someone did indeed place the ads and it wasn't some messy algorithm stuff (which I'm more inclined to believe, honestly), they probably realized that they could get into some deep **** by the time they'd have come out for clout. If anything, that'd just be postponing the inevitable, but I could see it happening if they got cold feet.
There you go. Can we stop treating this as impossible?
The fact that this widely spread and widely agreed upon leak ended up being leaker bait from Nintendo itself is the biggest reason why I still think Erdrick has a strong possibility of being leakbait as well. There are similarities in terms of how widely this leak was spread and how sure people were about it whereas much of what was actually shown in the direct hadn’t been leaked at all.
It's also rotten that leakers are going against their backs too. This can heavily affect sales.
it's almost as if leakers are violating multiple ndas and other such legal agreements with nintendo and nintendo has the complete and absolute right to weed them out by any means necessary, even if the best way to do so is through leakbait
I don't even care about Star Fox Grand Prix anymore
star fox ultra mega racing fun time is just the deluxe version of star fox ultra mega racing
I just have to acknowledge that the username of the only user who's so far provided proof against Google theory is 1.21 Jiggawats.
I second this. The only time I would ever trust a leaker is if they provide some seriously in-depth gameplay of an unannounced character (ie. shulk). Otherwise, their word is nothing but a fart in the wind.
The ends don't justify the means. The means determine the end result.
"hey guys welcome to this nintendo direct, a new game is coming ou-"
i'm sure all 65 people who follow and trust leaks that deeply will be incredibly offended
Actually yes, because now there's no way to know anything they say is factual since we know for a fact they themselves put out false information about what was supposedly a major release on their own platform. The fact that they themselves are putting out some of those leaks just makes it worse for them.
there's a difference between lying to the public and lying to a specific group of people performing illegal activities and harming your brand by doing so
It actually is still wrong, because not only are they lying to the public whether directly or not given they know those leakers are leaking what they're told to the public, it's still an immoral and cack-handed way to solve the problem.
they're lying to the leakers, not the public
I Said Spicy Peppers
I mean, I don't see what else can be done when NDA-breaking has been such a common problem. When it gets to this point and all other options have been exhausted, I see why they use leak bait. Heck, look at Mario Kart Tour's closed beta that just came out today. People are breaking NDA left and right. Then we have employees at Nintendo who break NDA. It's a chronic problem that can really hinder the company. They'd obviously choose being dodgy with information over the massive consequences of their real material being leaked out.
While I agree that malicious kids putting Ex-Lax in their teacher's coffee is deplorable bull crap, the scenario of someone stealing my lunch is an entirely different moral issue. Nobody is forcing that douchebag to steal my lunch. And might I add that stealing has a special place of loathing in my heart. Of all the different crimes out there, theft has a certain degree of cowardice and entitlement that just makes my blood boil. I have no sympathy whatsoever when a thief gets burned in the act. For them to get screwed up eating my stolen goods is what I call poetic justice, my friend. Maybe, just maybe, they'll think twice next time before being a gutless piece of trash.
To be honest, at some point, especially given the nature of their content, they're going to have to accept that there are going to be leaks. People are way WAY too hyped and excited over this stuff to really keep it a secret.
Honestly, if the metaphor wasn't talking about putting stuff in your food that could sicken or even potentially kill whoever's stealing it, I would agree with you. But we have to draw lines somewhere and accept that certain approaches to clear problems simply aren't acceptable regardless of the severity of the problem.
This I think is the real answer. I kept telling people not to listen to those soothsayers but nobody wanted to listen to me because the leakers were telling everybody what they wanted to hear. Now look where we are.
I think that people who living and dying by every word spouted by leakers just haven’t realized that there’s been a clear change in strategy over the past year in how Nintendo handles leaks by now putting out false leaks. It’s like if someone were in charge of bringing you water and for awhile the water is fine but then you find out the water being brought has been poisoned and people have gotten sick from it. But you keep drinking the water because the water the person has brought in the past was fine even though there’s clear evidence the water is now being poisoned.
There are always going to be sheep to blindly follow the leakers. All we can do is spread the word not to trust them and follow our own advise. Remember that the burden of proof is on them. Just assume that they are full of it until Nintendo confirms otherwise.
Amen, good sir. To be fair though, I would think it OK to speculate on things based on various political and in-game factors such as datamines and such. For example, the datamine of 16 additional character slots should be a decent assumption that we'll be seeing more than one DLC pack in the future. This makes logical sense as well in that Nintendo wants Ultimate to have the longest life possible and there's no reason not to rake in the tremendous amount of cash for all those new characters. Now THAT should be something to be hyped about. Think about it. That would mean we have 14 more characters to look forward to! The chances of any of the most wanted non-assist trophies getting in is huge! Regardless of their chances in this particular set of 5 DLC, that means that Geno, Shantae, Banjo-Kazooie, Sephiroth, and who knows what else are still possibly on the table! Unless Nintendo or their affiliates specifically say otherwise, there's still hope for them.
I don't think people should jump the gun about those slots, to be honest. They can easily go unused.
True, but that would honestly be the stupidest thing Nintendo could ever do. Just look at the freaking math. The MSRB of the game is $50-60. Each DLC character and stage go for what? $4-6? Even with the buy all 5, save $5, you'd be paying $25. That's 50% the value of the game for less than 7% of the roster. Now imagine two more packs for the same value. If you bought all three separate packs of DLC, that's $75. That's 25% MORE than the game itself for only 15 freaking characters! Now consider that Ultimate has sold how many copies? As of May, we're looking at 14 million copies. If even a quarter of those people buy the DLC, that's 262,500,000 good ol' US greenbacks right in their pocket! I know Nintendo can be morbidly stupid sometimes, but please PLEASE tell me they're not THAT stupid.
You know real people make this game, right? People who are already working on the same game for a few years now, and will continue to do so for a year?
Ultimate's going to last as long as the lifetime of the Switch so the assumption that those empty slots will eventually be used for more DLC is all but certain.
Real people, huh? Aren't these the same people that come to work with an IV drip because they can't seem to hand it off to anyone else? While I agree with you that the dev team could easily get burned out on the same game, aren't you making just as much an assumption about their work ethic as I am about their desire to make a profit? Not to mention they could easily just rotate in fresh programmers as they go. Smash is one of Nintendo's greatest cash cows. I have a hard time believing they won't milk this puppy for all it's worth, regardless of who they'll use to do it.
