Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Ze Diglett]

People are severely overrating Skull Kid's popularity in hindsight. I hardly heard any talk of him prior to the Direct other than just noting how he wasn't shown as an AT yet - as far as Zelda reps, I've historically heard more talk of Vaati, Impa, and Tingle, if I'm honest. The only reason he's as popular as he is now is because of the massive bandwagon that rolled in after loz18 speculated "leaked" him, and especially after RelaxAlax made that video on him. If Skull Kid is in at all, which I kind of doubt at this point, it wasn't because of the ballot. He'd be a Sakurai pick, if anything.

 

[Teeb147]

Personally I think we're going to keep getting newcomers in pairs. I'm expecting Skull Kid or Karate Joe in the next direct, but with Isaac or Geno as the 'end-of-show' reveal. Then whichever of the two isn't revealed will be shown off after that with, I'm guessing, Banjo Kazooie. Echo Fighters will be sprinkled in each one.



No offense but you're really gonna put this much stock into a fan-made chart that ranks Magnemite over Midna or Chrom? Where Batman beats Goku, even as a 'no-****ing-way' pick, when Goku is the infinitely more talked about pick within the community?

There's no way that's legit.

Even in the higher ranks, Ridley is absurdly low despite Sakurai practically HAVING to address his popularity multiple times.

It's refered to quite a lot and had big numbers of votes. I dont remember how much exactly, but you shouldn't be looking at the colujmns on the right, where magnemite is, I'm not sure what that's for. Ok I saw it on the left too, not sure what shot that pokemon up, maybe there was a reason at the time. It's funny that people actually voted Goku in the ballot, even if it'll be discounted by nintendo.

 

[EarlTamm]

I also don't see Paper Mario or Shantae coming close to the top 5 realistically. Especially not around 2015.

Yeah, the Paper Mario games then were not exactly doing him any favors, but Shantae 3rd game did very well the previous year and was still pretty big on the eshop, as well as her next game Half Genie Hero going through a very successful Kickstarter, as well as that Kickstarter making an update doing a call for action to vote for Shantae. So I think Shantae had timing in her favor.

 

[Takasmash]

Paper Mario as assist trophy will be worst than Takamaru Paper Mario got so many moves in his games he can work as a fighter.

 

[Teeb147]

Yeah, the Paper Mario games then were not exactly doing him any favors, but Shantae 3rd game did very well the previous year and was still pretty big on the eshop, as well as her next game Half Genie Hero going through a very successful Kickstarter, as well as that Kickstarter making an update doing a call for action to vote for Shantae. SO I think Shantae had timing in her favor.

"Paper Mario was re-released for Nintendo's Wii Virtual Console in July 2007 as well as Wii U Virtual Console in 2015. "

That might explain it. The original was a great hit, and it got rereleased in 2015

 

[EarlTamm]

"Paper Mario was re-released for Nintendo's Wii Virtual Console in July 2007 as well as Wii U Virtual Console in 2015. "

That might explain it. The original was a great hit, and it got rereleased in 2015

Huh, I did not realize. I guess timing was in Paper Mario's favor.

 

[Teeb147]

Ok. So I looked into Magnemite too, and apparently, "their meme pick was Magnemite. " in Japan and maybe other places.
In other words, he was like Shrek.

 

[Dragon lord]

Ridley being Lower then expected is actually not too surprising, lots of people took the pyrosphere boss and Sakurai saying "he's too big" (which he probably just pulled out of his ass) as a confirmation that he couldn't even be DLC, so they didn't want to "waste there vote" as a lot of fans didn't know the ballot really was just for Ultimate

 

[EarlTamm]

Ridley being Lower then expected is actually not too surprising, lots of people took the pyrosphere boss as a confirmation that he couldn't even be DLC, so they didn't want to "waste there vote" as a lot of fans didn't know the ballot really was just for Ultimate

Same could be said for the likes of Chrom, Midna, Ashley, Takamura and the like.

 

[Scicky]

It's refered to quite a lot and had big numbers of votes. I dont remember how much exactly, but you shouldn't be looking at the colujmns on the right, where magnemite is, I'm not sure what that's for. It's funny that people actually voted Goku in the ballot, even if it'll be discounted by nintendo.

Regardless, those aren't official numbers, and it's from a pool of I'm gonna say roughly 31,000 votes. Not bad numbers by any means, but that probably pales in comparison to what they received in the actual ballot. You can also kind of tell that some of the numbers are the result of hype-campaigns, not denying that Shovel Knight is popular, but the character's results are just pretty decent outside of the Reddit polls, where he somehow manages to beat out K. Rool in one of them before inexplicably dropping to 15th place in the fourth Reddit poll.

Shrek has more votes than Bomberman in one of the polls. 4th place in another goes to 'Reckless Wiimote Safety Man'.

These are not trustworthy numbers.

There's also the issue of the same people probably voting on multiple polls, skewing numbers, and the fact that an official nintendo poll is going to draw in a lot more casual players than a poll on a dedicated reddit forum would.

 

[Teeb147]

I've heard lots of people talk about Ridley being an american pick. In that he wasn't that strong in other places like japan.

It's cool that Geno is popular in japan too.


Scicky , nothing is fully trustworthy. but these are the highest numbers and most reliable for the time of the ballot.
And I'm with you too, I think nothing is quite like the actual results, which we don't have acces to.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Do you think Geno would get a stage if he was in?

He's a Mario character so technically he might not warrant a stage, but he's also a third party and comes from a game that hasn't seen any representation in Smash.

 

[domriver]

Do you think Geno would get a stage if he was in?

He's a Mario character so technically he might not warrant a stage, but he's also a third party and comes from a game that hasn't seen any representation in Smash.

hoping for Bowser's keep with Exor watching over. :D

 

[Dragon lord]

of course everyone knows these numbers aren't final, but it's still worth using them to maybe get us on the right track on who did well and who didn't, besides i heavily doubt anyone not on the top 25 of that list had some surprising Casual audience, expect Maybe Steve

I've heard lots of people talk about Ridley being an american pick. In that he wasn't that strong in other places like japan.

It's cool that Geno is popular in japan too.

While it is true that America probably did take up the majority, there is a japanese audience too, at least a way bigger audience then other American picks like Little Mac

 

[SSGuy]

We just need to hope that Geno truly did well in the 2015 ballot. I think him getting copyrights or mii costume and everything like that is a big deal but trying to gauge how he did against other common picks is tough. (Especially if they were heavy hitting 3rd party picks like Crash Bandicoot or Dante from DMC

I won't believe any speculation until he is in the game.

 

[Teeb147]

We just need to hope that Geno truly did well in the 2015 ballot. I think him getting copyrights or mii costume and everything like that is a big deal but trying to gauge how he did against other common picks is tough. (Especially if they were heavy hitting 3rd party picks like Crash Bandicoot or Dante from DMC

I won't believe any speculation until he is in the game.

Crash and Dante are already more on Sony's side, so I'm doubtful about them, but Geno is already established with smash, so it's a good bet.

 

[Dragon lord]

i suppose if there's any sort of counter argument to people saying that Paper Mario did better on the ballot therefore being more likely then Geno, it probably would be Ridley, two characters so far that were supposedly above Ridley have been deconfirmed (Krystal and Shovel knight), this is most likely because Sakurai has a history of knowing Ridley is a popular pick, much like Geno if that interview is any indication

 

[Slender]

While the new article boosts Geno's chances, there was something else that may hurt them. The section regarding stages says this:

"Despite struggling to gather the necessary human resources, we made it our mission to put together 100 stages, so I hope you enjoy them."

There may be some translation errors, but if not it seems like 100 stages really is the push for base game (It's certain that we will get more stages in DLC with new fighters.). There could be three outcomes:

- This is wrong and there will be more than 100 stages.
- Geno does not come with a stage.
- Geno does not come base game.

Hopefully the first choice is what we come out with.

 

[EarlTamm]

While the new article boosts Geno's chances, there was something else that may hurt them. The section regarding stages says this:

"Despite struggling to gather the necessary human resources, we made it our mission to put together 100 stages, so I hope you enjoy them."

There may be some translation errors, but if not it seems like 100 stages really is the push for base game (It's certain that we will get more stages in DLC with new fighters.). There could be three outcomes:

- This is wrong and there will be more than 100 stages.
- Geno does not come with a stage.
- Geno does not come base game.

Hopefully the first choice is what we come out with.

I am not to worried about that. Sakurai is basically saying that was the goal, and as we all know, Sakurai and the team are overachievers.

 

[Dragon lord]

While the new article boosts Geno's chances, there was something else that may hurt them. The section regarding stages says this:

"Despite struggling to gather the necessary human resources, we made it our mission to put together 100 stages, so I hope you enjoy them."

There may be some translation errors, but if not it seems like 100 stages really is the push for base game (It's certain that we will get more stages in DLC with new fighters.). There could be three outcomes:

- This is wrong and there will be more than 100 stages.
- Geno does not come with a stage.
- Geno does not come base game.

Hopefully the first choice is what we come out with.

If that whole "103 is the final total" is true (which i personally doubt), that might actually boost Geno's chances since it could imply there's no new franchises in store (unless of course he pulls a ROB), seeing as Geno is a Mario character he can be introduced without a new stage while others like isaac or Banjo can't

 

[Teeb147]

It could hurt quite a few characters, but Geno is still part of the mario realm, so even in the case where there's no other stages, it's not 100% needed. but it'd be nice to have a stage from mario rpg too

 

[Klimax]

To be honest, i never imagined Geno getting in with a SMRPG stage, i don't know why but i always though that was impossible.

 

[Dragon lord]

Another Note is, i'm pretty sure none of the mario characters have the Paper Mario stage as there Home stage so far right?, if so that would be the perfect stage for Geno (or of course paper mario if he gets in)

 

[Graizen]

I support Geno , for me he is Special.
A friend of mine showed me SMRPG a long time ago , and that game looked magical.

Im the number one Agumon suporter,
but Geno, Skull Kid and Isaac are my top picks for Nintendo reps now.

 

[SSGuy]

There are already like 10 different Mario Stages. Geno not getting a Super Mario RPG stage is not the worst thing that could happen for us. Ridley did not get a new stage. K.Rool did not get a new stage. You have Super Mario World and Peach's Castle (Melee) that come close so Super Mario RPG like.

 

[Teeb147]

There are already like 10 different Mario Stages. Geno not getting a Super Mario RPG stage is not the worst thing that could happen for us. Ridley did not get a new stage. K.Rool did not get a new stage. You have Super Mario World and Peach's Castle (Melee) that come close so Super Mario RPG like.

Is there a list of mario stages somewhere?
Any castle or forest or something similar to mario rpg could do.

 

[Slender]

Despite the numerous Mario stages we have, we still have no Bowser's Castle stage. Bowser's Keep could fill that void.

 

[Dragon lord]

Is there a list of mario stages somewhere?
Any castle or forest or something similar to mario rpg could do.

Here

 

[domriver]

While the new article boosts Geno's chances, there was something else that may hurt them. The section regarding stages says this:

"Despite struggling to gather the necessary human resources, we made it our mission to put together 100 stages, so I hope you enjoy them."

There may be some translation errors, but if not it seems like 100 stages really is the push for base game (It's certain that we will get more stages in DLC with new fighters.). There could be three outcomes:

- This is wrong and there will be more than 100 stages.
- Geno does not come with a stage.
- Geno does not come base game.

Hopefully the first choice is what we come out with.

There will be more than 100 stages. I think Sakurai showed 95% of the stages. Can't show you everything now.
Also we need a direct soon. LOL moarr infos

There are already like 10 different Mario Stages. Geno not getting a Super Mario RPG stage is not the worst thing that could happen for us. Ridley did not get a new stage. K.Rool did not get a new stage. You have Super Mario World and Peach's Castle (Melee) that come close so Super Mario RPG like.

UNACCEPTABLE. SMRPG Unique Stage or NOTHING. LOL

 

[Teeb147]

Here

Thanks. Yeah I guess the ones mentioned would be the ones that work more.
Could be more mario stages besides those too.

 

[praline]

There will be more than 100 stages. I think Sakurai showed 95% of the stages. Can't show you everything now.
Also we need a direct soon. LOL moarr infos

I think we will get another Smash direct in October showing off the last stuff we will see pre release

 

[Dixie Kong]

The only way I see Banjo making it into Smash without a stage is if Microsoft and Nintendo made a deal late in development. Even then, Nintendo was able to create a stage for Sonic back in Brawl. (Albeit they delayed the game for it)

 

[Dragon lord]

If Rainbow road got Confirmed later on that also be a pretty good Home Stage for geno cus you know, Stars and Rainbows and space and such

 

[Solmatter]

Geno placed #13 globally on the poll data you sent, and with The confirmed/deconfirmed characters out of the way, Geno shoots up to #6. Even then, this isn't the official Ballot, so we have no real way of knowing where he is there.

I'm sure he's fairly high up there. I don't think I voted in half of these 'fan polls', so it's very possible that some of the Geno fans missed them. We tend to disappear into the shadows between Smash games. I basically never become active in the community unless Geno is on the table.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Those polls had a very Reddit heavy focus, and there is no way I'm going on Reddit

 

[SSGuy]

Those polls had a very Reddit heavy focus, and there is no way I'm going on Reddit

Reddit in general is a terrible site. lol

 

[Teeb147]

Reddit in general is a terrible site. lol

I wouldn't go that far lol. It's a good hub for lots of different news.
Maybe not the best in certain cases though, dunno

 

[RSF-Blue bomber]

Spoiler

(Source, although he just photoshopped three separate images together and shaded them)

this is exactly what I've pictured in their trailer reveal

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

The only way I see Banjo making it into Smash without a stage is if Microsoft and Nintendo made a deal late in development. Even then, Nintendo was able to create a stage for Sonic back in Brawl. (Albeit they delayed the game for it)

Yep.

— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) March 20, 2018

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...njo_and_kazooie_appearing_in_super_smash_bros

I think it’s a safe bet they will be ok letting them use banjo if they talked to them about it.

 

[-Coco-]

The stage thing helps Geno far more than hurts him. K Rool didnt even get Gangplank Galleon despite it being his most iconic stage and it having a song in the game. And its not like DK has a ton of stages so adding it wouldn't exactly be too much.