Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Deleted member]

Helps the case against DQ, Sora, and Chrono even more, because in both of those cases they have to share “their cut” of each DLC sale with other companies. Geno doesn’t have that same issue, making his only competition another FF rep, which would bring Nintebdo back to Music Licensing Hell. However, SMRPG’s composer is already working with them on the base game, so that’s not even an issue with Geno.




That’s misinformation, Daisy and WFT are “Fighter Spirits”, which aren’t equippable and are treated differently than other kinds of Spirits. I don’t believe Hitagi either, but that’s not how Spirits work.

King K Rool and Sonic are spirits as well

 

[DaxMasterix]

I would literally drink water scream and cry for Geno, would love to see Peach, Mario and Bowser on its trailer...

 

[RingJ5]

King K Rool and Sonic are spirits as well

Kaptain K. Rool is, which is technically different. Not sure about Sonic, and would love to see a source regarding him being a non-fighter Spirit so that the whole “do they deconfirm” thing can finally be put to rest.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Speaking of third party partnerships, have any Fire Emblem Heros spirits been seen yet? I know nothing about the game so I don't think I'd even recognize the original characters if they did.

 

[Deleted member]

Kaptain K. Rool is, which is technically different. Not sure about Sonic, and would love to see a source about him being a non-fighter Spirit so the whole “do they deconfirm” thing can finally be put to rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhIW4Tb-Tg Don't remember exactly where in the video, but Sonic has a spirit and is in his Super Sonic form. And even with all the reasons you have stated, the "do they deconfirm" thing may not be put to rest yet, because neither Sakurai or Nintendo said that spirits deconfirm. We know that assist trophies deconfirm because they are described as "characters who could not be playable in the game." So, as of now, spirits are not an official way of deconfirmation

 

[TBone06]

Any sighting of the Geno costume?

 

[Deleted member]

Any sighting of the Geno costume?

No, not yet. Even if he does have one, I don't think it would deconfirm him, since Chrom has a Mii costume

 

[Nazyrus]

... maybe the theme of DLC is going to be third party characters that have had strong relationships with Nintendo IPs. Of possible prospects, Super Mario RPG, Rayman, Minecraft, Hyrule Warriors, and even Banjo Kazooie all have this in common. It'd totally make sense with everything shown off in the last day.

If that was the case it would totally be Geno, Lloyd and Banjo kazooie to me. Don't know about the remaining 2, i don't really have some in mind.

 

[RingJ5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhIW4Tb-Tg Don't remember exactly where in the video, but Sonic has a spirit and is in his Super Sonic form. And even with all the reasons you have stated, the "do they deconfirm" thing may not be put to rest yet, because neither Sakurai or Nintendo said that spirits deconfirm. We know that assist trophies deconfirm because they are described as "characters who could not be playable in the game." So, as of now, spirits are not an official way of deconfirmation

That’s Super Sonic, an alternate form just like the Kaptain.

Honestly, what makes me sure that they do deconfirm is the fact that they have a Fighter distinction to begin with. If they didn’t, I’d fully agree that they don’t deconfirm, but since they have that specific distinction between fighter and non-fighter Spirits, I’m taking Spirits as deconfirnations, at least for this first, already-planned DLC wave.

If a second one comes along in late 2020 or so, though, then it’s basically fair game. They can see how people reacted to certain deconfirnations, and hopefully improve.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Any sighting of the Geno costume?

There's just been a ton of evidence that all the Mii costumes were just copypasta'd from Smash 4 so it doesn't really matter anyways. This would also give him a weird loophole to be involved in World of Light even if he wasn't present at launch.

 

[djgwiz]

I got to wondering, do we know what's up with the online icon we saw Geno appear as?
I'm curious as to if the exact Klaptrap art that was seen on the same screen has been seen as a spirit yet.

 

[Nazyrus]

Apparently Chrom's mii costume got confirmed to be back AFTER he got confirmed of being playable, so… mii costumes like Geno's and Lloyd's are still MIA… maybe they will be shown to be back along their fully playable newcomer versions?…

 

[Lime3037]

Oh man, this is getting interesting.

Funny that Square wanted Cloud to be DLC again (if that had happened, so much for "Everyone is here!"), though not at all surprising.

It's kind of sad to think that whoever the Square Rep is will have a lot more included content than the bare minimum Cloud.

 

[Datboigeno]

Anyone else think people in certain character fangroups may be having a change in opinion regarding whether spirits deconfirm fighters if they thought so before? lol

 

[Fatmanonice]

If that was the case it would totally be Geno, Lloyd and Banjo kazooie to me. Don't know about the remaining 2, i don't really have some in mind.

I'm starting to think more positively about Llyod too. I decided to look at his cameo history and I didn't realize that he was overwhelmingly the Cameo King of not only the Tales series but Namco as well, second only to Pac-Man and Heihachi (who Sakurai said he'd be too difficult to implement anyways), and not just on Nintendo platforms either.

 

[DaxMasterix]

I got to wondering, do we know what's up with the online icon we saw Geno appear as?
I'm curious as to if the exact Klaptrap art that was seen on the same screen has been seen as a spirit yet.

It may be a Swith User Icon also.
I'm trying to understand why, in the DLC predictions video from SourceGaming, they placed Geno on the thumbnail but they guessed Sora and Erdrick for SE rep.
My paranoiac mind is telling me to believe that Nintendo told em that Geno is in so start sharing other characters to make a "Surprise" reaction. My actual mind is telling me to shut the hell up.

 

[Deleted member]

It may be a Swith User Icon also.
I'm trying to understand why, in the DLC predictions video from Gamexplain's, they placed Geno on the thumbnail but they guesses Sora and Erdrick for SE rep.
My paranoiac mind is telling me to believe that Nintendo told em that Geno is in so start sharing other characters to make a "Surprise" reaction. My actual mind is telling me to shut the hell up.

Jon "predicted" Geno in the DLC video. I think the other two predicted Sora and Erdrick, but Jon is still predicting Geno

 

[Nazyrus]

I'm starting to think more positively about Llyod too. I decided to look at his cameo history and I didn't realize that he was overwhelmingly the Cameo King of not only the Tales series but Namco as well, second only to Pac-Man and Heihachi (who Sakurai said he'd be too difficult to implement anyways), and not just on Nintendo platforms either.

Yeah Tales of is literally the FF of Namco. It's amazing how long it has taken them to put a fighter from that series. Tales of anniversary will be on December too and a week earlier there will be an event featuring the VA of Lloyd (december 8th… huh), who has always answered questions about smash back in brawl and 4, but has been avoiding questions entirely during Ultimate… lol

 

[RingJ5]

Oh man, this is getting interesting.

Funny that Square wanted Cloud to be DLC again (if that had happened, so much for "Everyone is here!"), though not at all surprising.

It's kind of sad to think that whoever the Square Rep is will have a lot more included content than the bare minimum Cloud.

Actually, amusingly enough, that’s incredibly unlikely unless it’s Geno, due to music. The DQ composer is notoriously pretty terrible about licensing, and the rights to a lot of famous KH tracks are jumbled up due to the vocalists.

While on the other hand, SMRPG’s composer is already part of Ultimate’s base game on some SF tracks, making the entire process far, far simpler.

So, that means Geno gets:

Character
Stage
Definitely more than two music tracks
Online icon
Mii Costume (?)

Which is not too bad for representation, especially compared to Cloud.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

The strong possibility of Lloyd getting in is a tad...depressing but hey if Geno gets in, thats a plus for me.
you'll get your chance another day, klonoa

 

[DaxMasterix]

So, that means Geno gets:

Character
Stage
Definitely more than two music tracks
Online icon
Mii Costume (?)

Which is not too bad for representation, especially compared to Cloud.

I would love to have SMRPG icons (Like Mallow, Boster, Boshy, JJ, Smithy also being Icons)

 

[Deleted member]

It may be a Swith User Icon also.
I'm trying to understand why, in the DLC predictions video from Gamexplain, they placed Geno on the thumbnail but they guessed Sora and Erdrick for SE rep.
My paranoiac mind is telling me to believe that Nintendo told em that Geno is in so start sharing other characters to make a "Surprise" reaction. My actual mind is telling me to shut the hell up.

Wait, do you actually mean Source Gaming?

 

[DaxMasterix]

Wait, do you actually mean Source Gaming?

That's what I said... Check it out now

 

[Datboigeno]

It may be a Swith User Icon also.
I'm trying to understand why, in the DLC predictions video from Gamexplain, they placed Geno on the thumbnail but they guessed Sora and Erdrick for SE rep.
My paranoiac mind is telling me to believe that Nintendo told em that Geno is in so start sharing other characters to make a "Surprise" reaction. My actual mind is telling me to shut the hell up.

If Geno was added as a Switch User Icon that would be awesome. I'm actually hoping a lot of the newcomers like Ridley and K. Rool get icons.

 

[RingJ5]

Something potentially pretty important that I just realized: If Square’s so incredibly hard to work with to the point where there’s no extra Final Fantasy Spirits from them at all, even to the point of the “they wanted to keep Cloud as paid DLC” rumor, then... why would Nintendo ever want to deal with all that just for a single Spirit/costume? It sounds like it flat-out wouldn’t be worth getting his license again unless he’s a character.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Geno, Llyod, Rayman, Linkle/HW Impa, and Banjo would actually be an amazing DLC spread, to be totally honest.

Add in: the crazy thing about this is that it wouldn't even be super wishlisty either. Think about it. Geno's Smash fanbase cooled down considerably after Brawl and hope only picked up again because of the Nintendo Dream article in 2016. Rayman's Smash fanbase all but evaporated with his trophy confirmation in Smash 4. Llyod's Smash fanbase took a heavy blow after Brawl and then all but disappeared after his Mii costume was shown. Linkle/HW Impa aren't characters that people have been heavily clamoring for but people would be happy because they finally add a new Zelda character while Linkle in particular came into being because there was so much of a push from fans to make her real after Hyrule Historia leaked. You might argue that Banjo is wishlisty but he was considered a "no-hoper" after Melee until 2015 with Phil Spencer's comments so his Smash push is still pretty young overall. This all being said, this isn't the least bit unreasonable.

 

[JarBear]

Geno, Llyod, Rayman, Linkle/HW Impa, and Banjo would actually be an amazing DLC spread, to be totally honest.

I agree, that would be a great pack!

 

[Rummy]

The strong possibility of Lloyd getting in is a tad...depressing but hey if Geno gets in, thats a plus for me.
you'll get your chance another day, klonoa

Yo dude, I love the Klonoa series. It might be a bit scattered lore wise (and sad as ****) but i do think there's a amazing Concept in him as a lightweight grabbing character.

So Y'all seen the Embargo go off, Things are looking good for Geno. I do have to make a quick patch work. Most of this info isn't from the NOA Connected Source. But Stealth and all the gathered footage as of right now.

 

[FalconFire93]

If Geno was added as a Switch User Icon that would be awesome. I'm actually hoping a lot of the newcomers like Ridley and K. Rool get icons.

That’s exactly what I’d change mine to, mine’s Link currently.

 

[domriver]

This also goes along with the rumors that Square Enix unironically tried to get Cloud in as paid DLC a second time, going perfectly along with our theory that Square doesn't want to move a pointy hair spike if they're not getting paid extra for it and are trying to do as little work as possible for the most money.

Jeez, i was under the impression SE was not that stingy with FF but i guess it is. Interesting about Square regarding Cloud that they wanted it to be paid DLC again jeez. So with knowing this Square Enix is not budging on FF thats all we get. Its probably safe to assume that Square shut down any possibility of other characters being included aside from the original contract for SSB WiiU/3ds. This really bodes well for Geno guys. Sakurai already had the rights for Geno of course development time was a deadline and he couldn't implement him so therefore the Mii Costume. Now that I think about it Geno and Cloud were probably planned to be PAID DLC regardless who got in first. None of them were meant for base. Interesting... VGA we are waiting!

Geno, Llyod, Rayman, Linkle/HW Impa, and Banjo would actually be an amazing DLC spread, to be totally honest.

id be content as well!

 

[MattX20]

I HAVE BIG NEWS FOR GENO!!!!
Now that gameplay embargo has been lifted... 700 spirits confirmed. NO Enix spirits found yet at all, and we've seen over 500. Only 2 FF tracks. And Stealth__ is tweeting that Cloud was the final veteran added due to Enix being difficult to work through...
If Cloud was hard to add (and this is corroberated by only 2 FF tracks and no Enix spirits), Geno is the only sensible Enix rep. Another FF character (very unlikely) is the only competition anymore IMO. DQ and KH are even more of a hassle than FF is. I think it's Geno time!

I hope you have more good news on this Thursday

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Great to see this thread so active! Stay strong my smol puppet bean! ;-;

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno could still end up as a spirit, especially if the Mii costume is back in. It'd be an obvious match to make.

I still don't think spirits deconfirm though

 

[Fatmanonice]

Geno could still end up as a spirit, especially if the Mii costume is back in. It'd be an obvious match to make.

I still don't think spirits deconfirm though

True but today's news makes the insider info we've gotten even more credible and also pushes the narrative that, when it comes to Square DLC, it's probably going to be Geno or nothing and everything is pointing to Square not likely to walk away from paid DLC.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Apparently Marx has also not been seen ...yet.

Hoping for top tier dlc with Geno, Banjo, and Marx

 

[Slender]

In my eyes, Spirits do not deconfirm characters, but it's not the reason you think.

The argument that Spirits are the Trophies of Ultimate is a solid statement, but my theory is that Spirits don't deconfirm the potential lineup of DLC characters because the DLC characters will not participate in World of Light, and to a lesser extent Spirits mode. The story for World of Light seems to be set in stone and decided upon early in development, so I could see them excluding DLC characters from this mode. Someone who doesn't buy the DLC won't miss out on any World of Light content when they decide not to buy the characters.

Spirits mode itself is where it gets a bit iffy, but as we've seen no Square Spirits except Geno, it's safe to assume that something is up with Square.

 

[MattX20]

Geno could still end up as a spirit, especially if the Mii costume is back in. It'd be an obvious match to make.

I still don't think spirits deconfirm though

There's one major flaw with that arguement. I don't think Nintendo or Sakurai would consider worth getting them just a spirit and the Mii Fighter costume. I imagine if they went through that much effort, they would probably want Geno to be fully realized.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

In my eyes, Spirits do not deconfirm characters, but it's not the reason you think.

The argument that Spirits are the Trophies of Ultimate is a solid statement, but my theory is that Spirits don't deconfirm the potential lineup of DLC characters because the DLC characters will not participate in World of Light, and to a lesser extent Spirits mode. The story for World of Light seems to be set in stone and decided upon early in development, so I could see them excluding DLC characters from this mode. Someone who doesn't buy the DLC won't miss out on any World of Light content when they decide not to buy the characters.

Spirits mode itself is where it gets a bit iffy, but as we've seen no Square Spirits except Geno, it's safe to assume that something is up with Square.

Geno. Has. Not. Been. Seen. As. A. Spirit.

He is an online icon.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah, Geno being the only Square Enix spirit would be sketchy as all hell and I'd be hard pressed to believe Square would do that, even if they do come off as cheapasses.

Also, I found video footage of Sakurai trying to negotiate Geno as playable with Square Enix:

 

[Deleted member]

In my eyes, Spirits do not deconfirm characters, but it's not the reason you think.

The argument that Spirits are the Trophies of Ultimate is a solid statement, but my theory is that Spirits don't deconfirm the potential lineup of DLC characters because the DLC characters will not participate in World of Light, and to a lesser extent Spirits mode. The story for World of Light seems to be set in stone and decided upon early in development, so I could see them excluding DLC characters from this mode. Someone who doesn't buy the DLC won't miss out on any World of Light content when they decide not to buy the characters.

Spirits mode itself is where it gets a bit iffy, but as we've seen no Square Spirits except Geno, it's safe to assume that something is up with Square.

Actually, Geno isn't a spirit, he is a battle token