Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Convoy]

>be me
>literally just woke up
>decides to check geno thread
>first thing i see is deviantart fetish ****
>mfw

 

[OffBi]

>be me
>literally just woke up
>decides to check geno thread
>first thing i see is deviantart fetish ****
>mfw

Then you haven't seen bald Geno

 

[Vector Victor]

Geno thread: 'We need help getting Geno in Smash!'

Lurker seeing the Geno Thread After Dark: 'Oh you got that right. You need help.'

 

[RingJ5]

Sakurai could have made a fun Resident Evil moveset if he wanted to. Or any other FPS character could be easily implemented into Smash if Sakurai had the willpower to make it happen. Hell, it's not even hard as fans come up with proofs of concept all the time and we've seen characters from more obscure and difficult origins make their way into Smash. There's no reason those characters can't be fun and recognizable options (if you've played something like Halo, you should know their are so many great weapons and ways to make Chief for example unique and fun for example). I just don't think Sakurai is interested in FPS titles because they largely don't play well in the Japanese market, and even Resident Evil tends to be much bigger in the West as well, hence his decision to implement the series as Spirits.

But recognition does play a role, and I think it's foolish to dismiss it outright. Like, again, you could potentially have super fun options with terribly ****ing obscure characters, but then your not really doing you job as a video game crossover when you start veering into absurdly niche territory. Like, part of Smash has got to be including recognizable characters, otherwise it doesn't work. It's walking a fine balance between fun, recognition, promotion, and satisfaction in any character choices for Smash. There's different ways to approach each option mind you, but I think it's just factually incorrect to pretend like recognition doesn't at least play some role in the processes at hand. Recognition can mean very different things to different people, but I think it's absurd to not pretend like the crossover doesn't consider the popularity and recognition of the things being included in it to some degree. And as I said before, not the primary one or even a major one that steers the process, but looking at things like Cloud and Terry shows a conscious effort to choose characters from the franchise that are more popular and recognizable... they can absolutely be fun in their own right, but there's no sense in denying that those things played some role in their inclusions.

Like, I don't think anything that I'm saying should be particularly controversial here. Yes, fun is still the primary motivator, but pretending like popularity and recognition don't play any roles makes zero sense when Sakurai held a literal popularity contest in the Ballot and Smash exists as a successful franchise specifically because it crossed over hugely popular series like Zelda, Pokemon, and Mario. And I'm mostly really just saying if Sakurai wants to, I have no doubt he'll make any character fun because he's genuinely got that imagination and passion, he just has to want to do it.

I've just seen people try to beat others over the head with this little snippet, and it just comes off as naive. Like, a character needs to be fun to be in Smash, but there's also a lot of characters that can not only be fun, but also recognizable. Popularity and recognition don't exactly exclude character options from being fun ya know?

I’ve been seeing quite a few people treat the DLC as basically “Sakurai’s five free slots to do absolutely anything he wants” even though he himself said that Nintendo themselves picked the DLC(with him most likely just narrowing their list down from company/franchise to specific character) and using that to mean that we’re solely about to get Sakurai’s own wishlist of characters.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I’ve been seeing quite a few people treat the DLC as basically “Sakurai’s five free slots to do absolutely anything he wants” even though he himself said that Nintendo themselves picked the DLC, with him most likely just narrowing their list down from company/franchise to specific character.

I mean, the point of my comments was to demonstrate that Sakurai has the potential to make characters interesting regardless of their origins and background. And we know that Sakurai has had some sort of collaborative input here with these character additions, so I really don’t think it’s just exclusively a “Nintendo picked these” and end of story argument. Especially when Sakurai clearly still had power to decide if fighters worked or not, and his emphasis on the fun angle wouldn’t even really be a point if Nintendo truly had that much control.

 

[wynn728]

I’ve been seeing quite a few people treat the DLC as basically “Sakurai’s five free slots to do absolutely anything he wants” even though he himself said that Nintendo themselves picked the DLC(with him most likely just narrowing their list down from company/franchise to specific character) and using that to mean that we’re solely about to get Sakurai’s own wishlist of characters.

Sakurai did say that Nintendo provided a list of characters and Sakurai himself got to choose from, not that Nintendo was the one deciding on the characters to pick from. For all we know Nintendo could've provided a list of 50 and Sakurai got to pick his favorites from that list.

 

[RingJ5]

I mean, the point of my comments was to demonstrate that Sakurai has the potential to make characters interesting regardless of their origins and background. And we know that Sakurai has had some sort of collaborative input here with these character additions, so I really don’t think it’s just exclusively a “Nintendo picked these” and end of story argument. Especially when Sakurai clearly still had power to decide if fighters worked or not, and his emphasis on the fun angle wouldn’t even really be a point if Nintendo truly had that much control.

I was more referring solely to your last paragraph, I probably should have cut the quote to just that.

As someone who has been beaten over the head multiple times by that quote as a way to shut down arguments, it seems like there’s a surprisingly common sentiment that these five slots are essentially just Sakurai given free range to do whatever he wants. Sure, I’m not denying that he definitely had some creative input, it’s absolutely how we got Joker over any other potential Megaten/Atlus/Sega rep. What I’m taking issue with is the whole idea you were, that relevancy doesn’t matter at all anymore in the paid DLC for this massive crossover fighting game.

Sakurai did say that Nintendo provided a list of characters and Sakurai himself got to choose from, not that Nintendo was the one deciding on the characters to pick from. For all we know Nintendo could've provided a list of 50 and Sakurai got to pick his favorites from that list.

Sakurai never actually mentioned a list, which a lot of people assume. He literally just said that they chose the fighters and then he decides whether or not a fighter could work, which is an important distinction.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai did say that Nintendo provided a list of characters and Sakurai himself got to choose from, not that Nintendo was the one deciding on the characters to pick from. For all we know Nintendo could've provided a list of 50 and Sakurai got to pick his favorites from that list.

Yeah, Sakurai coming clean that he gets to say "no" to a character, but people still asserting that Nintendo chose the characters is like saying you went to McDonalds and got to decide what you eat, but McDonalds chose your dinner.

 

[Grumbo]

We will easily pass 2500 pages or even 3000 before Geno get's in.

Oh god i hope not

Would love Master Chief in smash, many of my high school hours were lost to the demo of halo 1 on pc. Never played or seen the stories but I´ve heard great things. The vocaroo audioclip is,well, from vocaroo. Which is very connected to 4ch in my mind. Which makes it very,very suspicious. And then the content in it doesn´t sound professional or in character with smash. The audio sounds like it´s being played in a big place because of the echo. Also, isn´t she like evil now?

We dont talk about 343 Halo (unless Infinite is good)

 

[RingJ5]

Yeah, Sakurai coming clean that he gets to say "no" to a character, but people still asserting that Nintendo chose the characters is like saying you went to McDonalds and got to decide what you eat, but McDonalds chose your dinner.

Well, think of it this way:

You go to McDonalds, and they say that your only option is a single meal with a cheeseburger, fries, nuggets, and a soda. You decide that, out of those four, you don’t want soda. Instead of giving you a drinks menu, they ask if you want coffee instead.

In that scenario, who’s choosing the meal?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, think of it this way:

You go to McDonalds, and they say that your only option is a single meal with a cheeseburger, fries, nuggets, and a soda. You decide that, out of those four, you don’t want soda. Instead of giving you a drinks menu, they ask if you want coffee instead.

In that scenario, who’s choosing the meal?

In any situation in which an individual has a choice, the individual is the one doing the choosing, even if the options are limited.

 

[wynn728]

Sakurai never actually mentioned a list, which a lot of people assume. He literally just said that they chose the fighters and then he decides whether or not a fighter could work, which is an important distinction.

It was stated that Joker got into Smash Bros was because Sakurai loved Persona 5, which means that Sakurai did have influence with selecting the DLC. Saying that Sakurai didn't have any influence with this Fighters Pass is silly when 3 out of the 4 characters were Sakurai's dream picks.

 

[Organization XIII]

It was stated that Joker got into Smash Bros was because Sakurai loved Persona 5, which means that Sakurai did have influence with selecting the DLC. Saying that Sakurai didn't have any influence with this Fighters Pass is silly when 3 out of the 4 characters were Sakurai's dream picks.

Actually it's never been stated in any official capacity that Sakurai's feelings were the reason he was added (though it's certainly suspicious especially after Terry). The only time Sakurai's feelings were mentioned after Joker's reveal was from the Atlus director saying Sakurai's love of Persona and his love of Smash made him excited to work with Sakurai.

 

[SSGuy]

I've heavily considered making more sprites for Geno for use on the overworld, but I'm not the most keen on joining an active project... I'll probably make what I can and post them to TSR. For reference, this is what I have now.
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I BAITED THEM! I posted a cursed image I found online and hid it behind a spoiler! I was 10,000,000,000% sure they'd be curious enough to look, and they all did! HHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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If you are interested in the project, send me a DM on Discord please.

 

[Franco Geno]

If you are interested in the project, send me a DM on Discord please.

Is there a way to add "new" party members? i think someone made some Wario sprites on Deviantart with the style of SMRPG

 

[RingJ5]

In any situation in which an individual has a choice, the individual is the one doing the choosing, even if the options are limited.

My point is that Sakurai most likely didn’t get a full 25-item menu, he got whatever five Nintendo gave him. However, here’s the thing: I don’t actually think he ever did say no, as I’ll explain thusly:

It was stated that Joker got into Smash Bros was because Sakurai loved Persona 5, which means that Sakurai did have influence with selecting the DLC. Saying that Sakurai didn't have any influence with this Fighters Pass is silly when 3 out of the 4 characters were Sakurai's dream picks.

The theory I’ve been running on for quite a while now is that Nintendo did not necessarily select specific fighters. Instead, “their selection” was more along the lines of “Megaten rep, Dragon Quest rep, Microsoft rep, SNK rep, ??? rep”, and Sakurai then took it from there, considering all the options and weighing a bunch of factors to select the best candidate from each, so Sakurai managed to get some of his specific dream picks in while Nintendo still chose the over-arching representation.

 

[Organization XIII]

However, the roster was decided I think it's clear Sakurai has clearly had some autonomy when it came to the pass.

 

[Tonberry2k]

My point is that Sakurai most likely didn’t get a full 25-item menu, he got whatever five Nintendo gave him. However, here’s the thing: I don’t actually think he ever did say no, as I’ll explain thusly:



The theory I’ve been running on for quite a while now is that Nintendo did not necessarily select specific fighters. Instead, “their selection” was more along the lines of “Megaten rep, Dragon Quest rep, Microsoft rep, SNK rep, ??? rep”, and Sakurai then took it from there, considering all the options and weighing a bunch of factors to select the best candidate from each, so Sakurai managed to get some of his specific dream picks in while Nintendo still chose the over-arching representation.

This seems likely to me. I also think Sakurai fudged the truth and said selection was out of his hands as a way to deflect the thousands of "ADD ______ TO SMASH!" spam posts.

 

[I.D.]

I’ve been seeing quite a few people treat the DLC as basically “Sakurai’s five free slots to do absolutely anything he wants” even though he himself said that Nintendo themselves picked the DLC(with him most likely just narrowing their list down from company/franchise to specific character) and using that to mean that we’re solely about to get Sakurai’s own wishlist of characters.

lol if you think Joker and Terry were not personally handpicked by Sakurai.

 

[Spatulo]

So, on the topic of character selection, I’ve been thinking a lot about the characters who were picked and if they can give us any hint to the identity of character 5. The prevailing theory on here, penned by Fatmanonice , is what I’ll call the “Thank You Theory.” Every series selected was meant as a thank you by Sakurai. Persona 5 as thanks for inspiring him in the modern day, Dragon Quest for inspiring him for his entire career, Banjo-Kazooie for the fans who’ve stuck with the series since day 1, and King of Fighters for inspiring him to make Smash to begin with. Following this theory, the most logical final thank you is to Bandai Namco for helping make the Ultimate Smash. I don’t think this theory is wrong, it makes perfect sense, but for the sake of conversation I’d like to propose an alternative theory.

Let’s look back at that fateful quote from Reggie, saying that every character in the Fighters Pass would be characters you “wouldn’t expect.” Let’s take that and roll with it, and take a look back at who we got. We got a rep from a franchise that’s essentially a Sony exclusive, one character that’s basically four reps from the absolute most heavily guarded and impossible to work with franchise owned by one of the stingiest companies in the industry, a pair of characters that used to be Nintendo exclusives before they were bought by Microsoft and never appeared on a Nintendo console again, and an obscure fighting game character from a company that hasn’t been a major player in decades.

Nobody in the pass has been “obvious”, obvious picks would be Fire Emblem, Pokémon, or, if we’re being real, Capcom or Namco reps. So, in line with this “Unexpected Picks Theory”, who would be one more final surprise before Sakurai rides off into the sunset?

Well, how about one of Nintendo’s main competitor’s mascot whose games have been rumored to be coming to Switch for half a year?

Now I just wanna stress... I don’t actually think I’m right XD I’m still erring on the side of caution for the final reveal, but I ask you my fellow Genobros, if I’m right and the intention for all the characters in the pass is to shock and delight, who would be number 5?

 

[Franco Geno]

Good morning everyone

 

[RingJ5]

lol if you think Joker and Terry were not personally handpicked by Sakurai.

See, that’s the thing that I elaborated on a few posts later, if you’d have read just a bit further:

My point is that Sakurai most likely didn’t get a full 25-item menu, he got whatever five Nintendo gave him. However, here’s the thing: I don’t actually think he ever did say no, as I’ll explain thusly:



The theory I’ve been running on for quite a while now is that Nintendo did not necessarily select specific fighters. Instead, “their selection” was more along the lines of “Megaten rep, Dragon Quest rep, Microsoft rep, SNK rep, ??? rep”, and Sakurai then took it from there, considering all the options and weighing a bunch of factors to select the best candidate from each, so Sakurai managed to get some of his specific dream picks in while Nintendo still chose the over-arching representation.

It’s not like Sakurai has free reign, far more has to go on behind the scenes than just a single handshake “he’s in” sort of deal. What’s far more likely is that Sakurai is still playing well within a set of parameters created by Nintendo regarding what companies and franchises he can use, so both statements end up true. Nintendo chose the DLC, yet he chose the fighters.

 

[Firox]

Well, think of it this way:

You go to McDonalds, and they say that your only option is a single meal with a cheeseburger, fries, nuggets, and a soda. You decide that, out of those four, you don’t want soda. Instead of giving you a drinks menu, they ask if you want coffee instead.

In that scenario, who’s choosing the meal?

An important difference in scenarios is that your example has an extremely limited amount of options. The DLC picks so far suggest a lot of Sakurai bias, and by extension, a sizeable list of fighters to choose from. With this in mind, it would be more accurate to say that his "menu" was more akin to a real-life menu of say 20+ items to choose from. In this case, I would definitely say that he had plenty of "choice" as to which fighters would get in. Also remember that Sakurai is seen as a rock star within Nintendo and despite what he may have said in the past, I highly doubt they would deny him if he made any special requests. The game is his baby after all.

EDIT: So I've read your later posts and that's an interesting theory about Nintendo choosing the companies and Sakurai picking the actual reps. I have to say, that actually sounds the most probable to me. Though, if this was the case, I'd say that still gives Sakurai an absurd amount of freedom. In fact, in such a scenario, I'd say he's hardly limited at all.

 

[I.D.]

So what am I supposed to believe, that Nintendo forced Sakurai to get a "microsoft rep" and yet they were a-ok with him picking a character that is a "microsoft rep" in name only? Get real.

 

[OffBi]

Well, how about one of Nintendo’s main competitor’s mascot whose games have been rumored to be coming to Switch for half a year?

You mean master chief?

 

[BZocky]

yeah I’m thinking I clicked that spoiler

Here. Have another Geno video while I am making them.

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Unedited footage of this thread going insane from the wait for the game awards

 

[Spatulo]

You mean master chief?

That’s who I’m alluding to yeah. Though like I said I still think it’s pretty unlikely and there’re tons of characters that could conceivably be a final reveal if their intent is to surprise us (heck, Nightmare could even fit given that he’d be a villain repping a series and he’s a fair bit scarier than your average Smash character). But I do think there’s an argument to be made for Chief.

 

[RingJ5]

So what am I supposed to believe, that Nintendo forced Sakurai to get a "microsoft rep" and yet they were a-ok with him picking a character that is a "microsoft rep" in name only? Get real.

You mean the one that the head of Xbox specifically wanted in? Seems pretty real to me.

 

[Ovaltine]

What have you heathens done to my baby boy's support thread

 

[OffBi]

What have you heathens done to my baby boy's support thread

Dunno what you mean, it seems pretty normal to me

 

[valkiriforce]

"All right! Let's see how the Geno thread is doing at 1900-"

*sees what the thread has devolved into*

 

[I.D.]

What have you heathens done to my baby boy's support thread

Isn't this the newcomer speculation thread 2?

 

[link2702]

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WHAT THE FLYING **** IS GOING ON?!

Ok but seriously...what happened...? Have we really all lost our minds here from the wait for fp5’s reveal?

 

[EarlTamm]

Does anyone have any sort of blessed SMRPG content that could help distill the thread? Please? I think the thread really needs it after last night.

 

[Megadoomer]

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WHAT THE FLYING **** IS GOING ON?!

Ok but seriously...what happened...? Have we really all lost our minds here from the wait for fp5’s reveal?

Also, I'm not sure what was going on in page 1900, but I really don't want to see a repeat of that again.

 

[Franco Geno]

What have you heathens done to my baby boy's support thread

Trust me, that thing was awful

 

[Tonberry2k]

Uh... My gf is playing SMRPG for the first time and she just got Geno. That's on-topic.

 

[EarlTamm]

Also, I'm not sure what was going on in page 1900, but I really don't want to see a repeat of that again.

I think the whole thing started because someone jinxed the idea of such a landmark for the thread getting cursed. No matter how it happened, we should make sure it doesn't happen again and probably have people edit those posts so others will not go back and witness what we saw.

 

[Franco Geno]

I think the whole thing started because someone jinxed the idea of such a landmark for the thread getting cursed. No matter how it happened, we should make sure it doesn't happen again and probably have people edit those posts so others will not go back and witness what we saw.

"Oh wont somebody please think of the children?"

 

[TheCJBrine]

I doubt Nintendo told Sakurai to choose from specific companies; they got Banjo & Kazooie for the fans, not because “let’s rep Microsoft.”