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Sackboy would be super cool. I was so into LBP when it came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlZgo_WXws
Ok in that case be prepared for my 24/7 Sackboy talk and an essay on why LittleBigPlanet is a subversive Masterpiece.
At the very least your three examples have been on store shelves since their inception and other than sans have been so for decades. ZUN has only been releasing his stuff in places a non Japanese consumer could even buy it since 2017 with 4 seasons on steam and even then no effort has been made to actually translate anything it's all just a straight ports and with 0 marketing. The idea that enough people outside it's dedicated fanbase even know it exists over here to take 6th in an exclusively English speaking popularity poll for smash bros without any additional factors tilting it is more than I'm willing to believe, I'm sorry. Frankly in the 6 years since I first played a touhou game this talk of Reimu for smash is the most and the first time I've ever seen touhou genuinely discussed at all outside dedicated fan stuff without almost everyone else involved either knowing nothing or maybe familiar with a name or 2 and maybe it's genre(and to be honest it's still been like that quite a bit).
Well, here's a question then: How would it be bad for Smash?
I'd recommend asking in the Geno thread if you haven't already as that thread is always very active. You'll probably get a response very quickly.
Merging this with the Geno thread, as it will get much more traffic there. (and it doesn't need to be a separate thread)
it's just making nintendo forget the fact that it was once a nintendo all-star game and pushes away other fan requested nintendo characters from ever making it in to smash at all, 3rd parties may be something special but if it's just them they want to focus for the rest of smash then it will make some people upset.
Any choice that Nintendo makes about Smash will upset people.
I disagree. I could go into anecdotes about how few people I've seen playing Smash that came to the game for one specific character, and why it makes no sense to assume a fan of a character added to Smash is more likely to play Smash now than before, but it's pointless. I will say, though, that I think the opposite is true. Smash creates fans of other franchises that are represented in it. We always talk about whether or not a character pick is a shill pick, but the reality of the situation is that every character in the game is a shill pick for their home franchise - they are a playable billboard for another property.
A lot of third-party characters are considered Nintendo characters because their games are associated with the consoles so much (i.e. Mega Man, Simon Belmont, and especially Banjo-Kazooie) so I don't think this argument is really fair.
Interesting points. I suppose it would be true that smash seems draw fans outward more than it does inward. For example, let's consider Joker. I had no idea who he was when he was first announced as DLC, but his inclusion inspired me to research him. I started to hear some really good things about Persona 5 and decided to give the game a try. Not long after, I got to see what everyone was talking about and fell in love with the franchise. Same thing happened with Fire Emblem after Marth and Roy were added to Smash. Smash is definitely a billboard for all the franchises that get represented. That said, it is arguable whether a character's inclusion actually does bring in previously uninterested parties as much as it inspires already-existing fans to branch outward.
They clarified that it's for 'most likely'. A lot of people expect Doom Marine or Slayer, Geno, and Ryu to make it. They corrected the most wanted as being Geno, Sora, and Isaac.
Given how the most recent characters work, I feel like a lot of the cries for additional representation for stuff like Star Fox or Kid Icarus isn't really going to get anywhere. Every character post Brawl has been much more accurate to how their home series works either through all of their gameplay, or a specific gimmick. Fox, Falco, and Wolf already do a poor job representing what is mostly a rail shooter, and there's probably nothing that can be done about that. They're fine as they are, and imo Star Fox has all the representation it needs, as a franchise that has been rebooted twice since its creation and still doesn't enjoy true success.
Quote for Truth.
Our boy's the only one to crack both sets of 3, and he's even first in one of them! What I don't understand is how people can still say he's irrelevant in the Smash scene after showings like this.
It usually involves shuffling around and trying to convince oneself that Smash fans don't count as fans, for some reason
The Smash Bubble, a dome-like fortress containing some of the five most desperate would-be fighters — four of which were promoted — smells particularly of lizards. Ridley is a large, alien reptilian, K. Rool is a lizard-flavored surprise, and even B-K are associated with this due to Dragon Kazooie's existence. Geno is the only one without some kind of reptile rampage, and he decides that he must change this on one fateful day.
For what it's worth, regardless of likelihood, I think Sackboy would be an amazing addition. I haven't played much of LBP myself, but I enjoy the charm and Sackboy would have plenty of unique properties along with a smaller stature that lends itself well to Smash.
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I wouldn't worry about making some posts about Steve in here. You often contribute to Geno and side topics and I think most of us know you're not just here to talk about Steve and simply have multiple character interests. Furthermore, while this is the Geno thread, it is the Geno thread on SMASHboards Smash being the biggest video game crossover in case any of us forgot. Meaning as long as discussion is primarily focused on video games and still circles back to Geno often which it does then it's ok.
Steve is ahead of Sora but I also think it is important to also note that characters like Sora, Steve and Waluigi are in the negatives with more people against their inclusion to being in Smash Bros. I feel like that tidbit of information is important to share in regards to how the community feels about a particular character.
This assumes Sakurai should only throw bones to a certain subset of people, and that people’s positive opinions don’t matter. Negative opinions aren’t gonna remove people who want a character from the equation, negative integers don’t make sense in this situation because these people still exist. Some of these characters have stuff elsewhere that already brings them back to positive, too, like the Waluigi outcry that even Reggie acknowledged. Most people who don’t personally like a character either don’t care either way or are completely open to the idea anyway; they’re neutral.
Yeah it really speaks volumes when every character in the red also happens to have a very negatively perceived fanbase. Steve and waluigi especially with all the trolling and memes in their name. Waluigi I think is almost 4 times as disliked as liked nothing else even comes close to that since 2nd place would be Steve with x2
I wouldn't call them negative integers as if it invalidates someone exisiting... I don't think it's a good trade off to make 10 people happy at the cost of pissing off 700 people. I doubt there's a character suggested in the poll (as I have barely looked over non-Geno data because I have a one track mind) that is so polarizing, but if I were trying to make fans happy, I'd do so in such a way that I made more people happy than angry.
At least in Waluigi's case, disliking him is part of the fun. Honestly I'd just lump the negatives in with the positives at that point, it's his character.
I want to like this multiple times but it won't let me. All I can do is click the "like" button as hard as I can.
Then those people never get the character they love, at the cost of a bunch of jerks that whine if the roster has one character they hate (not just dislike) for whatever reason (likely selfishness based on how some people act), even if the people who want the character make up almost half of that yet Sakurai is apparently supposed to never listen to them. Y’all are ignoring other data that already brings this stuff back to positive anyway. Some of the Least Wanted votes likely aren’t even hate, just a personal distaste but they wouldn’t mind for other people.
While I understand what your trying to say the sheer amount of people out there I've seen that act like waluigi should be banned from smash forever because of the death threats last year is just sad.
Which is especially dumb because they don't extend it to other characters. Back in Smash 4 some guy in the Rayman thread threatened Artsy Omni's life and Rayman didn't get any flack, but two guys send a threat and a 9/11 meme to Sakurai and suddenly Waluigi is ruined forever...
We're talking about this as if the poll really matters - Smash is, for better or for worse, not a democratic process. If it was, however, this would be the nature of reality. A minority opinion wants something they love and never get it because the majority wouldn't stand for it. We could get into a long discussion about the nature of servicing the desires of the minority in a system where more than one option can win, but that's really off topic.
