Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[JarBear]

I personally cannot, and will not, say to any newcomers that are a lock or for sure. Granted, the chances are significantly better after the inclusion of Ridley and King K Rool. It does allow a MUCH better chance in comparison to Smash 4.

As for newcomers ... I can see maybe 3-4 IF there is a general Nintendo Direct soon-ish and a final Smash Direct one closely before the launch. As for Echoes there could be more than that.

 

[skydogc]

I'm kind of excited we're going to know who everyone is before it comes out, but I'm also going to ki d of miss that surprise of discovering characters like I did in 64 and melee. Of course part of that fun was having no idea there were more unlockables in the first place, but yeah.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

If Geno's confirmed, I think we should do something akin to what the K. Rool fans are doing. Sending a mass of letters to Sakurai would be pretty difficult so maybe we could try to organize something where we send letters and artwork to the Nintendo headquarters of our respective continents. I also know the Geno community has really talented people like Terminal Montage so maybe even a tribute video would suffice. I dunno. The oldest among us including myself have waited 22 years for Geno to come back so I think our show of gratitude should be something notable.

I would love to do something like this. But I would have no idea where to send a thank you letter. But I guess maybe we should just see if he's in first lol

 

[JarBear]

On top of my head, you can always try sending letters to Nintendo of North America's head quarters with a letter explaining what you are sending, be it a letter or artwork to be forwarded to Sakurai if possible. No guarantee, but is worth a shot.

If he is in.

 

[GenoStrike]

If Geno's confirmed, I think we should do something akin to what the K. Rool fans are doing. Sending a mass of letters to Sakurai would be pretty difficult so maybe we could try to organize something where we send letters and artwork to the Nintendo headquarters of our respective continents. I also know the Geno community has really talented people like Terminal Montage so maybe even a tribute video would suffice. I dunno. The oldest among us including myself have waited 22 years for Geno to come back so I think our show of gratitude should be something notable.

Yeah I was thinking that as well. Some people have been planning stuff on the Discord. I've also been waiting 22 years. It's crazy. I was very much into the hype for Brawl back on GameFAQs and a little bit here as well. Much like you it died down for Smash 4 cuz I didn't think it was gonna happen. I think now is the time though. Feels good. I just wanna see that reveal trailer so bad.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Hm...well aside from a letter of thanks, maybe one of us could make an actual Geno doll or paper geno doll?

I've unfortunately lost it but back when I was a kid, we were required to make a marionette for art class and I made a Geno one. It actually came out looking pretty great too.

Geno makes for a perfect mario(lol)nette.~

 

[lanky_gunner]

But could his fingers shoot bullets?

 

[FooltheFlames]

Guess I'm late but WHOOP 100 PAGES!!

Yes Dedede... put it on... you know you want to!

 

[domriver]

Guess I'm late but WHOOP 100 PAGES!!

Yes Dedede... put it on... you know you want to!

LOL

 

[Teeb147]

Hmm... what would be Geno-related to do something with. Maybe something having to do with Shooting stars?
I dunno really. I'm sure inspiration could come by.

 

[skydogc]

I've unfortunately lost it but back when I was a kid, we were required to make a marionette for art class and I made a Geno one. It actually came out looking pretty great too.

Geno makes for a perfect mario(lol)nette.~

You're good people for making him.

You're better people for that pun.

 

[domriver]

So i think it is safe to guess that we really are not aware how much reign Sakurai has with the Mario RPG Universe? In regards to what can be used from Square Enix. I know they are very restrictive with Final Fantasy and i guess why not? Its their baby. I am hoping that in the direct that has Geno in it. Sakurai says after the trailer is shown. He says Square gave me the green light to use everything and anything in this series so we went crazy! We added alllllllllllll this. I hope we see a 3D high def smith in his first form! wouldnt that be cool? If Smithy was in the trailer him pounding down Peach and Bowser! Then Geno drops in!

 

[Slender]

So i think it is safe to guess that we really are not aware how much reign Sakurai has with the Mario RPG Universe? In regards to what can be used from Square Enix. I know they are very restrictive with Final Fantasy and i guess why not? Its their baby. I am hoping that in the direct that has Geno in it. Sakurai says after the trailer is shown. He says Square gave me the green light to use everything and anything in this series so we went crazy! We added alllllllllllll this. I hope we see a 3D high def smith in his first form! wouldnt that be cool? If Smithy was in the trailer him pounding down Peach and Bowser! Then Geno drops in!

To be fair, while Square owns the original content from SMRPG, that doesn't mean it was solely developed by Square. Sakurai did say in the Geno Mii Costume reveal: "And thanks to our relationship with Square Enix, we will release another Mii Fighter costume." I am willing to bet that SMRPG content will be way less restricted in development given it's origins of being co-developed by both companies.

 

[JarBear]

I do hope Nintendo either keeps this relationship not just for Smash, but other games as well. I am imagining a new Mario Kart game that has Geno, Mallow, etc.

 

[Xigger]

Was thinking about it. Out of all of the unique characters that have been revealed with their own trailers (meaning I'm excluding Inkling), they have been done so in chronological order. Ridley was August 1986, Simon was September 1986, K. Rool was November 1994. I'm hoping this is done on purpose, because that could mean that our boy in blue could be next as he was released in March of 1996.

This is probably over-speculating, but they did do the All-Star mode in chronological order in Smash 4, so it wouldn't be the first time they've done something like this. It might also make sense because Skull Kid was revealed in April of 2001 (unless you use him in OOT). This could allow them to reveal Geno in a similar way they revealed Simon, where they can talk about him and the things included from Super Mario RPG, and then end the direct with Skull Kid. Again, probably over-thinking, but I just thought it was interesting for what it's worth!

That's a really good insight. You're right, all signs point towards Smash categorizing characters by chronological order, from Smash 4's All Star mode, to the website's character list, even small details like PacMan's reveal trailer ending with a timeline comparison. There was also a similar pattern with Smash 4's Event mode grouping characters by their Smash appearances.

If I had the time, I would look for similar patterns and make a small theory. I hope to see this in the general boards soon!

 

[bardbowman]

I know that the Geno Flash is probably the best final smash option, but wouldn't it be cool if they used the move Gaz pulled out on Mario when they were playing together?

The super duper...Custom, patented, one and only...SHOOTING STAR SHOT!!!

Maybe not for the final smash, but somewhere in the moveset would be such a great nod to a little piece of Geno's story.

Oh, and you know how a red star would appear around Geno right before he performed a special move? That'd make for a really nice taunt.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

68 Skull Kid
69 Geno
70 Issac
71 new Pokemon
72 Elma

 

[CannonStreak]

Mine are Isaac 68
Bandana Dee 69
New Pokemon 70
Shantae 71
Geno 72

Who said we were getting five more unique newcomers, by the way?

 

[AngrySun88]

If Geno gets in, then I see no reason why Sakurai wouldn't try to get Mallow as well, but he'd be an assist trophy. It would be the prefect way to fully represent Mario RPG.

Does anyone else think Mallow's HP Rain would make a great assist trophy? The rain cloud moves around the stage and heals anyone under it, not just you.

 

[domriver]

5 newcomers? Who i think if we are i guess in no particular order
Geno
XenoBlade Character
Zelda Character
Pokemon
Porky

Xeno - Rex/Pyra or Elma
Zelda - many choices - Impa, The Champions, Vaati, Hilda?
Pokemon - i have zero clue - i see alot of inceneroar but i dont know
Porky - He would be cool!

 

[ctt4lfecw]

Mine are Isaac 68
Bandana Dee 69
New Pokemon 70
Shantae 71
Geno 72

Who said we were getting five more unique newcomers, by the way?

Eh nobody. I think Sakurai was aiming for 70 and he'll go over with 72.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

If Geno gets in, then I see no reason why Sakurai wouldn't try to get Mallow as well, but he'd be an assist trophy. It would be the prefect way to fully represent Mario RPG.

Does anyone else think Mallow's HP Rain would make a great assist trophy? The rain cloud moves around the stage and heals anyone under it, not just you.

Honestly, it would be pretty epic to see Mallow as a secret playable alongside Geno (even if it's a longshot)
I can picture it. Waluigi fans screaming at Sakurai even louder, all the way til Waluigi get's revealed as the first DLC, and suddenly poor Mallow, who had been absent for even longer than Geno, get's pardoned.

 

[TBone06]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

68 Skull Kid
69 Geno
70 Issac
71 new Pokemon
72 Elma

This is always a fun game. I think if I had to do this objectively I would go something like this:

68 Geno
69 Skull Kid
70 Isaac
71 New Pokemon Rep
72 Bandana Dee/Rhythm Heaven Character

It hurts me not to put Banjo Kazooie in there, but I just don't think they'll get in. I think we'll get a new Pokemon rep, even if I don't want it. I'd prefer Bandana Dee, but I think we COULD get a Rhythm Heaven character.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

This is always a fun game. I think if I had to do this objectively I would go something like this:

68 Geno
69 Skull Kid
70 Isaac
71 New Pokemon Rep
72 Bandana Dee/Rhythm Heaven Character

It hurts me not to put Banjo Kazooie in there, but I just don't think they'll get in. I think we'll get a new Pokemon rep, even if I don't want it. I'd prefer Bandana Dee, but I think we COULD get a Rhythm Heaven character.

I think Banjo will be like Mewtwo was in Smash 4. He's on the way for DLC.

 

[TBone06]

I think Banjo will be like Mewtwo was in Smash 4. He's on the way for DLC.

I agree, there's no question he has the popularity. Phil Spencer gave the go ahead for him, but at the end of the day, he's still a Microsoft character. I can't recall what their relationship was like back in 2015, but regardless, I'll remain less optimistic for BK. If I'm wrong, then I win. But I can see him being a DLC option because there would absolutely be demand for him.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

I'm inclined to think Sakurai's going by the amount of newcomers, rather than total fighters--what with the seeming prevalence of the number 8 this Smash, I'm guessing we'll get 8 newbies and 8 echoes (to match the 8 starters.) As such, these are the four left that I think we'll see:

1. Geno (obviously)
2. Isaac
3. Banjo-Kazooie
4. Bandana Dee or Skull Kid

If I were to choose five, it would still be those. Of course, total numbers are probably irrelevant to Sakurai anyway--if he got to the total number he was shooting for and still had time for another newcomer, I doubt he'd just stop for a number goal. He wants to pack this thing with as much as possible.

Which is great for us, really.

 

[Ze Diglett]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

I, personally, think we're only gonna see 3 or 4 more unique newcomers at most, but if I had to pick 5, I'd probably go with...

1. Geno (heh)
2. Bandana Dee
3. Incineroar (still sticking to my guns with Decidueye for my official predictions tho)
4. Skull Kid
5. Uhh... Isaac, I guess?

 

[skydogc]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

68 Skull Kid
69 Geno
70 Issac
71 new Pokemon
72 Elma

68 Dixie
69 Geno
70 Isaac
71 New Pokemon OR different form of Pokemon trainer (Decidueye, Brionne, Litten, or maybe a form of Blue where he just uses Eevee but throws stones and she switches forms as needed).
72 Spring Man/Ribbon Girl (sames move, just different skins)

If I had to replace/drop one, I'd probably replace them with Skull Kid (either 68 or 72, but I get the feeling Spring Man/Ribbon Girl are probably actually going to make it in)

 

[Teeb147]

Geno
Bandana Dee
Shantae
New Pokemon
? (a special pick no one would've expected)

Dixie would be an echo, most likely. And then Shadow and Ken. Isabelle is possible too of course.

 

[coolcat12347]

Geno
Shantae
Wonder red
Bandana Dee
Isaac (his fans deserve it)

 

[skydogc]

Dixie would be an echo, most likely.

She probably would be, but I kinda hope she won't. I think she's earned the right to be unique.

 

[Banjodorf]

She probably would be, but I kinda hope she won't. I think she's earned the right to be unique.

She certainly has, but given the kind of Smash game this is and it might very well be the last for a long time (at least with a roster this size) I'd rather her get in as an Echo with some changes than to get snubbed again.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

So, who you got for the final 5 unique newcomers? I say 5 because I think Sakurai will overachieve and get to 72 for the base game.

68 Skull Kid
69 Geno
70 Issac
71 new Pokemon
72 Elma

Geno, Isaac, New gen 7 pokemon, Shantae and a character from rhythm heaven

also i do think shadow is gonna be an echo of sonic

 

[Dixie Kong]

I want a stage of the forest maze along with Geno! Please let it happen Sakurai!

 

[kingkalamari]

- Shantae*(*if revealed during Nindies direct, otherwise i would omit)
- Geno
- Skull Kid
- Isaac
- Waddle Dee(if Shantae isn't revealed during Nindies Direct)
- Some obscure Nintendo character nobody saw coming(in vein of Duck Hunt, R.O.B, Game & Watch)

DLC announced day of released with Banjo-Kazooie starting it, available in late December. They get a trailer too.

Echoes
- Isabelle
- Ken
- Shadow
- Blood Falcon
- Dixie (DLC)

 

[Dan]

The Gardevoir leak and Skull Kid hints are throwing everything off; that points to not every newcomer being a highly-requested one, which would be a shame. Like why not just go all-in with fan requests? It's kinda like stages: they were so close, but left a few out.

I mean, common sense is telling me the final newcomers will be Gardevoir, Gothitelle, Shadow, Isabelle, Skull Kid, maybe Incineroar... take your pick from Geno, Dixie, Isaac, Bandana Dee and Banjo (these shoulda been automatics) to round that out; someone's feelings are gonna end up being hurt. I do not think all of those will get in.

I mean, everything has been so unpredictable I've kinda just given up on predicting newcomers in general; it's fun to speculate, but there are always curveballs. Sakurai acted like Dark Samus and Chrom were shoe-ins, but those two surprised me more than Simon, K. Rool and even Richter. Gardevoir scares me that Sakurai could go back to his old ways: this is a character I and a lot of other people like, but this isn't even a top 20 requested newcomer.

Some obscure Nintendo character nobody saw coming(in vein of Duck Hunt, R.O.B, Game & Watch)

This is so important; I like Mach Rider (especially with Sakurai buying that gun). Anything else would be a stretch (which is completely plausible), but I'm also thinking something like Diskun that I don't even know what it is.

 

[domriver]

- Shantae*(*if revealed during Nindies direct, otherwise i would omit)
- Geno
- Skull Kid
- Isaac
- Waddle Dee(if Shantae isn't revealed during Nindies Direct)
- Some obscure Nintendo character nobody saw coming(in vein of Duck Hunt, R.O.B, Game & Watch)

DLC announced day of released with Banjo-Kazooie starting it, available in late December. They get a trailer too.

Echoes
- Isabelle
- Ken
- Shadow
- Blood Falcon
- Dixie (DLC)

I like your profile pic!

 

[Dragon lord]

The Gardevoir leak and Skull Kid hints are throwing everything off; that points to not every newcomer being a highly-requested one, which would be a shame. Like why not just go all-in with fan requests? It's kinda like stages: they were so close, but left a few out.

I mean, common sense is telling me the final newcomers will be Gardevoir, Gothitelle, Shadow, Isabelle, Skull Kid, maybe Incineroar... take your pick from Geno, Dixie, Isaac, Bandana Dee and Banjo (these shoulda been automatics) to round that out; someone's feelings are gonna end up being hurt. I do not think all of those will get in.

I mean, everything has been so unpredictable I've kinda just given up on predicting newcomers in general; it's fun to speculate, but there are always curveballs. Sakurai acted like Dark Samus and Chrom were shoe-ins, but those two surprised me more than Simon, K. Rool and even Richter. Gardevoir scares me he could go back to his old ways: this is a character I and a lot of other people like, but this isn't even a top 20 requested newcomer.


This is so important; I like Mach Rider (especially with Sakurai buying that gun). Anything else would be a stretch (which is completely plausible), but I'm also thinking something like Diskun that I don't even know what it is.

eh, both gardevoir and Skull kid are really popular, and if we have gardevoir then we'd most likely not have incineroar, which leaves a spot open

 

[Dan]

If you guys had the chance to know everything about the game right now (and even see everything) would you take it, or do you like being teased and it being spaced out (I mean, it would still be a surprise)?

I'm impatient; I would like to know everything now. The speculation is driving me crazy, and it wouldn't hurt sales of the game. Like I could see Dixie being introduced as half-unique, half Echo or something.

eh, both gardevoir and Skull kid are really popular, and if we have gardevoir then we'd most likely not have incineroar, which leaves a spot open

Yeah, I just said that because Incineroar's name is being tossed around and there's the theory of a Pokémon representing each generation.

Edit: Also, yes Garevoir and Skull Kid are popular, but not top ten popular; maybe Skull Kid is on the fringes of that ten spot.

 

[UberPyro64]

I'm going out on a limb and saying there are six newcomers left.

68 - Elma
69 - Skull Kid
70 - Isaac
71 - Geno
72 - Incineroar
73 - Banjo-Kazooie

So ten Newcomers total.

Four Echo Fighters too:
36E - Dixie Kong
38E - Shadow
45E - Isabelle
60E - Ken

So ten Echo Fighters total.