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I think you're missing the bigger point which is that SE in general is very limited in what they have added to SSBU overall compared to how much they realistically should be adding. I think they are asking for way too much which is why I don't think they'd be ok with adding 2 pieces of music for a 75 cent costume. An indie company would be ok with that. SE though? I don't think that would be as financially lucrative for them. Google the DQ guy if you want a wealth of information on why some might consider him a prick regarding his music.
Yes I agree with you. But I think it's both that and being concerned with how much they can make out of something.And because of that I don't see them okaying 2 pieces of music just for a 75 cent costume.
I just don't see how that shows that SE isn't stingy with their content. Bandai-Namco being limited in content in ssbu doesn't make SE not limited in content in ssbu. They could have added so many SE spirits that have a connection with Nintendo but didn't, I think that's very weird. I don't think the lack of SE is coming from Sakurai who directly went to SE to ask for a FF character. Some DQ stuff releasing later doesn't really make up for that and doesn't eliminate the fact that they only add 2 pieces of music per individual character represented. Because of this I don't see why they'd be ok with adding 2 music tracks to just a costume.
Gen 8 Pokemon that have made "booms":Aye, though I suspect that it'll be towards Pokemon that will really make a big boom. Sakurai has proven to me during Base Ultimate's development that if a Pokemon game is even within his radar, he will do his damndest to make sure one will make it in. I can appreciate his persistence, though that is one of the few constants of Sakurai: if there's a Pokemon game on the horizon, he will try to make one of them a Smash Fighter.
Konami was massive to Nintendo on the NES/SNES and they have 2 characters (one an echo of the other). Capcom also quite massive and they have ONE fighter and some Assist Trophies (too lazy to check how many). I know Square was massive too, but how much is a third party *expected* to have realistically? I don't disagree with the music on FF7, that's really dumb, but the DQ content is fine for a DLC pack (on par with the others, but comes with THREE alternate character skins like Bowser Jr.!). Sorry, I guess I just don't really understand. I get FF is stingy but besides that, I don't think third parties should be overshadowing other companies or anything just because they're "bigger" to gaming history.
Oh, I don't care about the costume discussion at all, I'm just trying to push back on the "Square Enix" is stingy idea I see given too much credit. Their absolute willingness to work with Sakurai on Hero, even going as far as to break their own internal rules and consistency to make Hero happen in Smash, shows me a different Square Enix than I think some people see. I just think base game Ultimate prioritized other things, and I'll probably hazard to guess Cloud wasn't cheap either due to FF7's own issues with licensing and just being FF7 in general so Sakurai just focused on bringing his content back and not adding a ton. Like most ways I answer why something isn't in Smash, I think it comes down to priority. Other things took the priority and if Square Enix costs a little more and is getting content in the Fighter's Pass anyway, I think Sakurai just didn't really focus on them for base game.
I'll throw my hat in the ring and give some (not very confident guesses, also in no particular order)
I'd like to remind everyone that most people I saw were hyper pessimistic about Banjo getting in and Steve being essentially a lock in November 2018. Hell, that mood didn't seem to really break until, like, a week or two before E3 when he actually began looking likely. Just because you have a bad feeling about the future does not mean that the bad feeling will actually pan out.
I want to put my doomer days behind me, I really do, but Byleth is the kind of trashy ass Nintendo pick that brings it all rushing back. There's nothing stopping a Gen 8 shillmon and at this point I fully expect it, just, like the first pass, I expect them to come later. So much so that the pokemon they choose likely doesn't exist anywhere but in drawings around the office that Sakurai thinks look cool. My worries are that they start the pass off with Sora and kill our boy on the spot.
Aye. I know I'm too tiresome with Shantae, but there's always a light at the end of the rainbow. And while a lot of us are wearing tinfoil hats with regards to how possible one of our conspiracy theories would pan out into something positive, we're overall just looking towards the light and approaching it, without regards to what others think of us as a collective. Even with the "leaks" and all the Verges or Sabis and the radicalization of other elements, we continue on since that's simply what we do best.
The major thing is that what many speculators could say may or may not bear fruit, and that we have to be critical thinkers instead of buying into the "new and shiny" leaks.
Which pair?
That's a very good point. I still expect some kind of shill pick, but it can easily not be pokemon.
I do think that a shill pick has a good chance of happening but I don't think it'll be a Pokemon. It could happen but I feel as though they wouldn't do a Pokemon SwSh spirit board if that were the plan. We'll have to see though, because if it's like last time, we may not see until late 2021 lol.
For sake of sparking discussion while staying somewhat on topic, who do you think we'll get as the shill pick/what game? What do you think this means for Geno (and other mario characters)?
At the moment, I still think it's entirely possible for a Pokemon Gen 8 shill pick, since there's only four SwSh spirit: if they really wanted to make sure no SwSh fighters appear, then they should've had around 10+ spirits. But if I had to be "realistic" and go full-in? I am going to have to hazard a guess and say one of the two Kongs in DKC, either Dixie Kong or Funky Kong as the Shill Pick, which could affect the Mario characters, though Geno might be unaffected.
Y'know, I wasn't even thinking about songs. If you had to make a list of about 10 songs to accompany Geno, which would they be?
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If they're going for full shill, it would definitely be Urshifu or any other new DLC Pokemon. If they're going for "just a rep for the newest gen", It'll likely be a starter but man I will push hard for Obstagoon or Toxtricity. Punk-rocker characters like them would be an awesome addition.
I don't wanna be That Guy, but it's not Geno's maze.
It's either A) him being playable or B) his Sm4sh costume coming back, there's no damm inbetween.
I think you're looking for patterns where there are none.
Or C, no costume and they just forgot. Somehow. With people asking for Geno.
You are forgetting about Geno's maze, the dungeon in SMRPG 2 that Geno traps Wario withing before he is rescued by Waluigi and The Block Bros. As revenge Wario destroys all of the trees in the pocket dimension, emotionally devastating Geno in the process.
Indeed, he will be in!
I can't believe some people post in the Geno thread without having such basic knowledge of SMRPG 2 smh my head
Stop the presses! I totally forgot about the SwSh spirit board event. In light of that, I think that does put a huge strike against getting a Gen 8 pokemon. That said, I still think that we'll get at least one outright shill pick with the next pass. Betting on something from BotW 2.
Yikes...imagine being this salty, hateful, and ignorant...
The ballot gave us some highly requested characters in the basegame, all characters coming back, and Banjo-Kazooie back in the spotlight. Sakurai isn't going to make everything he does 100% according to what fans want, no artist does that. Even the other DLC characters pleased many people (well Byleth even had the video making fun of the Smash fanbase's "too many swordsmen!" thing but they undoubtedly pleased many FE fans and they're cool imo).
Bruh, I'm upset too, but this is going too far. If you're not a troll, you need to calm down.
1 - Joker ( B- ) - Despite me not really caring much for the Persona series, I get it. I totally understand why he was chosen. Persona 5 was a massive game, one that finally allowed the series to break through that barrier of relative obscurity it was trapped behind for a long time. Joker as a character is a perfect representation of what his game series is about: stealthy, stylish, ... some other word that starts with an S, and with a hint of creatorial favoritism, he's has it all. As an ice-breaker and an indicator as to what the Fighter Pass was going to look like, Joker is a great choice.
Fire Emblem fighters who are just Marth with a slightly different coat of paint and maybe a Special Move or two of difference. I also like their stage, which is heavily based on an actual location from the games as opposed to something more generic than an arena or a random castle. Overall they aren't the worst character they could've picked for Smash, but I'm not gonna lie, I struggle to really care about them.Hmm, very interesting! Thanks for pointing this out.
Hmm, maybe? I'm moreso hedging my bets on whenever this upcoming Nintendo Direct happens, which at this rate I think will either be in February or March at the latest.
Y'know at this point, I think you guys should just assume that any stage you hear about will come with a fighter. So far it seems like they're only doing the pass stuff (one character, one stage, more than one music tracks) so a standalone stage seems pretty unlikely.
People feel that if whatever character is revealed isn't the one they really wanted, then their character is less likely. It's irrational, but I see why people feel that way. It'll pass.
I actually highly doubt they'll add a new Pokemon for two reasons:
Hmm, an interesting theory there, but there's one problem with it: Koei Tecmo already have content in Smash with the Fatal Frame Spirits and Yuri Kozukata as an Assist Trophy. If they were that opposed to working with Capcom that they'd request to have Ryu removed from the Fighters Pass since there's Capcom stuff in the game, why would they agree to add those in the first place? I'd imagine it wouldn't matter to them since it's Sora Ltd. and Bandai Namco making the game and they have no beef with them; Ultimate would be a neutral ground so to speak.
I think we still could get another character from Capcom, just as I think we could still maybe get Rayman despite the Ubisoft costumes, but it's less likely.
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Wait, GALAXY BRAIN ENGAGE. They get around Geno having two songs by including the versions of songs they own from SMRPG. For example, the version of the SMB3 Final Boss theme that's used in the beginning of the game would be owned by Nintendo, so they could totally include that alongside Geno no problem.
This is precious and I love it. So here's three versions of it for future use! One normal one, one with no background and table, and one with no background and table.
I don't think Sakurai is that bad, since he did add Ridley, and K. Rool, two fan requests in the base game, and Banjo-Kazooie as DLC. Joker, Terry and Hero are not so bad, and Byleth, when he releases, could be fun to play as. Sakurai believes how fun a character is play is more important than anything else.
Byleth? Yeah that was his personal pick. The other 4? Those are all requested by different people. Joker/Hero by Japan, Banjo by USA/Europe, and Terry by South America. If you think this is a BAD Fighter's Pass just because of Byleth, oof.
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Well, they led with "Geno has no chance, abandon all hope" so most likely.
I too cannot wait for Geno.
