General ICs Q&A Thread

[Gaspa]

There is no best one,mashing out of grabs depends on the player getting grabbed and the one performing the chaingrab,i think the best you can do is press all buttons and rotate the control stick.Each button/rotation counts as one input,which decreases the time you are grabbed.The best you can do is not get grabbed,or choose a character that has a relatively good matchup against ICs.(mk,snake etc)

This is ok, except for the part telling the matchups. Snake has a really good matchup vs IC. However, there are lots of better options than metaknight.

 

[.AC.]

This is ok, except for the part telling the matchups. Snake has a really good matchup vs IC. However, there are lots of better options than metaknight.

no there are not a lot better options than mk vs ICs,except for snake.

 

[Gaspa]

no there are not a lot better options than mk vs ICs,except for snake maybe.

I disagree sir, and that maybe is not a maybe, it's a definetely.

 

[GwJ]

How do you guys charge Usmash when Popo/Nana is grabbing? Usually when I try, Nana (I use nana first) is holding the enemy, and popo jabs while nana still holds, or Nana uthrows and Popo Usmashes later.

 

[.AC.]

How do you guys charge Usmash when Popo/Nana is grabbing? Usually when I try, Nana (I use nana first) is holding the enemy, and popo jabs while nana still holds, or Nana uthrows and Popo Usmashes later.

use the c-stick and charge by holding "Z".

 

[momochuu]

Pass to the partner, then press Z and Up on the C-Stick at the same time while holding Z to charge.

DAMMIT AC!!! D:<

 

[Gaspa]

Well there are two ways of doing it:

The first, which I wouldn't do if I were you, is doing a smash but pressing A a LITTLE time before pushing the analog stick up. If done correctly, nana should pummel, and popo should charge (or vice-versa, however, you should almost always hit with popo)

The second one, which I prefer, is moving the c-stick up and hold z. Doing this is better for me because immediately after doing it you can have nana throw a heavyweight back to you using the analog stick if you dashed with her the last time.

 

[istudying]

How do you guys charge Usmash when Popo/Nana is grabbing? Usually when I try, Nana (I use nana first) is holding the enemy, and popo jabs while nana still holds, or Nana uthrows and Popo Usmashes later.

Do people even read the Ice Climber guides before coming here?

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I knew that before reading the guide...I thought everyone did.

 

[IxxI]

Lol, I'm probably the only person to ever read the IC's guide not for the chaingrabs.

 

[GwJ]

Do people even read the Ice Climber guides before coming here?

Well, I've already read the IC guide a while ago, and I've done it by pummeling twice, then doing ^A, so I assumed I was just timing it wrong.

But thank you for your input everyone else.

 

[pacmansays]

I cannot find this is any of the desync threads: but how do you do the alternating ice blocks by each climber in order to do an ice block lock? I've done it occasionally but not sure how

 

[.AC.]

I cannot find this is any of the desync threads: but how do you do the alternating ice blocks by each climber in order to do an ice block lock? I've done it occasionally but not sure how

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159767
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199966

 

[pacmansays]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159767
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199966

Thanks, but as said I've looked through those threads and found nothing...

 

[.AC.]

Thanks, but as said I've looked through those threads and found nothing...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=159442
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvR9x8tm-I

 

[Sieguest]

I cannot find this is any of the desync threads: but how do you do the alternating ice blocks by each climber in order to do an ice block lock? I've done it occasionally but not sure how

I'm not too good at it...
but I usually pivot desync into the Ice blocks....

 

[Smoom77]

With mashing to release out of grabs, what are the percentages and how fast they get out?

I know that you can get out in 1 frame if it's 40? Or is it 50?

After 40/50, how many frames does it take? Does it ever change again?

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

With mashing to release out of grabs, what are the percentages and how fast they get out?

I know that you can get out in 1 frame if it's 40? Or is it 50?

After 40/50, how many frames does it take? Does it ever change again?

I'm only going to answer the 1st one since I'm not a pro on frames... @_@

The min's obviously 0%, and the max is like 60% or so to get out immediately, but I don't really know since it depends on the player's mashing and opponent's percentage; they get out very fast when the player's mashing all the buttons and the control stick(s).

 

[Smoom77]

Yeah, I'm sorta looking for an exact percentage/frame rate. I want to be able to use that knowledge in matches. But thanks.

 

[Bellioes]

I believe Susa has a thread on the tactical boards with the grab release formula as well as how long each characters pummel is. From there, you just plug numbers into the formula and you can get how many frames it would take an opponent to break out of a grab at X %.

 

[Zero Hour]

I've been practicing my chaingrabs like a good little noob for a while but i'm having trouble getting the different timing with characters like lucas. I'm able to 0-death easy characters like sheik now but i can't even get to the third fthrow chain.

can anyone just let me know what happens to the timing, i.e., slower, faster, and where its slow/fast? thanks in advance =D

 

[IxxI]

Practice. You'll get it.

 

[FrozenHobo]

can the chat be unlocked so fence can go already....

 

[Sieguest]

I've been practicing my chaingrabs like a good little noob for a while but i'm having trouble getting the different timing with characters like lucas. I'm able to 0-death easy characters like sheik now but i can't even get to the third fthrow chain.

can anyone just let me know what happens to the timing, i.e., slower, faster, and where its slow/fast? thanks in advance =D

As damage increases you have to regrab faster.

Practice. You'll get it.

^The paragon of answers! Live and Learn! (I'm serious)

 

[Zero Hour]

alright ill keep at it then =P

 

[phi1ny3]

Sounds kind of nubbish, but I've gotten practically every throw down except bthrow, which I get like 50-60% of the time, and it almost seems as if dthrow -> pivot regrab is easier. Should I invest in bthrow still, and if so, how do I get it to work more consistently?

 

[Sieguest]

Sounds kind of nubbish, but I've gotten practically every throw down except bthrow, which I get like 50-60% of the time, and it almost seems as if dthrow -> pivot regrab is easier. Should I invest in bthrow still, and if so, how do I get it to work more consistently?

Bthrow's good in my opinion...
I usually listen for the first "whoosh" in the throw sound to get the regrab, and as their damage gets higher I kinda do a just think like I'm putting in a code real fast...it works for me...except for when I get nervous...which happens a lot...

but whatever works for you go with it!

 

[Zero Hour]

what does it mean to "buffer" attacks/grabs. I've seen a video of some insane chaingrabsbut i don't even know where to start with those. I still havn't perfected my Fthrow grab on all the characters but I feel like that buffering throw tech seems more fool proof so i wanted to try it, this way either ill know if i'm wierd and find that easier or I'll fail miserably and want to work on the Fthrow/bthrow/dthrow more.

Also, if anyone can explain how the mechanics of the game allows it to happen, that tends to help me master a lot of the advanced techniques I've learned in the game.

 

[Sieguest]

Buffering is inputing an action before it happens...
for example say you grabbed someone and you fthrow them, if you start pressing the b button then when the fthrow is finished then you'll do an Ice Block! get it?

 

[Zero Hour]

Oh makes sense, so basically i would just input a re-grab before the throw is finished. ill give it a shot see how i like it... does the timing change at all from character to character?

 

[Sieguest]

Oh makes sense, so basically i would just input a re-grab before the throw is finished. ill give it a shot see how i like it... does the timing change at all from character to character?

Yep...depending on the weight class timing for regrabs shift...
If I'm in my right mind- the lighter the character the faster you have to regrab...

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I have a question. When i do the forward throw with popo and then grab with Nana. When i try to back throw with nana, popo walks away to far to get the grab. How can i solve this problem.

 

[Diddyknight]

@BOB: Move your joystick slower. Your moving it too fast

 

[phi1ny3]

What do you guys think of the IC vs. snake MU?

 

[momochuu]

It's the Ice Climbers' worst matchup.

 

[phi1ny3]

I thought so, don't grenades separate really well?

 

[IxxI]

Yes, they do. So does FTilt.

 

[Sushi3]

How well do the ICs do on FD? What does the matchup against MK become?

 

[GwJ]

Any match on a flat surface like FD is great. MK is probably like a 45-55 in my opinion. It's pretty even there because there's no platform camping like on BF or Smashville.

 

[JustNoOne]

If MK camps, is basically stupid, on FD... maybe somewhere like 40:60.