ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Jab is pretty safe on shield. They can't shield grab you really for obvious reasons. xD
Don't forget about dash attack. That's a good move too.
Don't forget about dash attack. That's a good move too.
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choknater
Smash Obsessed
it's all about movement. practice wavedashing a lot in order to create a good distance between u and ur opponent, and experiment with approaches so that u can learn which attacks u like to use to start combos or lead into grabs
dash attack is one of my favorite approaches
dash attack is one of my favorite approaches
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Uair is godly.
Vts
Smash Champion
man IC's moves are all so good, why are they on such a bad character :D
john!
Smash Hero
actually i need tips from you guys, what is the first thing you do when popo gets grabbed? what about when nana gets grabbed? usually i just mash down on the c-stick lol.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
they are not a bad character lol
ever since getting better vs doc and marth, i'm regaining confidence that ic's can do decently against peach. i gotta continue stepping it up
to john:
if nana gets grabbed, its best to shield with popo (cuz a lot of throws have invincibility or hitboxes) and try to punish when they throw nana. if they decide to pummel, you can react quickly and knock him out of the grab. this is risky though cuz u can get hit by pummels or u could be too late to punish and get hit by the throw
if popo grabs, i mash c stick down as well lol. but i think u can make nana shield? i forgot lol. its usually really bad news if popo gets grabbed
ever since getting better vs doc and marth, i'm regaining confidence that ic's can do decently against peach. i gotta continue stepping it up
to john:
if nana gets grabbed, its best to shield with popo (cuz a lot of throws have invincibility or hitboxes) and try to punish when they throw nana. if they decide to pummel, you can react quickly and knock him out of the grab. this is risky though cuz u can get hit by pummels or u could be too late to punish and get hit by the throw
if popo grabs, i mash c stick down as well lol. but i think u can make nana shield? i forgot lol. its usually really bad news if popo gets grabbed
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
so if you are desynched
and nana charges a Dsmash if you crouch right on top of her/by her
it looks like you are charging one too.
but you're not
so you hit them when they ATTACK
and nana charges a Dsmash if you crouch right on top of her/by her
it looks like you are charging one too.
but you're not
so you hit them when they ATTACK
ahchoomattchu
Smash Ace
Any tips on getting past Marth's d-tilt => anything (more d-tilt, jab, f-air, f-smash, etc.)?
I feel like Marth's d-tilt checks ICs hard when they're on the ground because he can follow it up with just about anything.
The match-up guide says to use f-airs, but I've found the spacing is rather difficult and anything that Marth follows up with can stuff it. =\
I feel like Marth's d-tilt checks ICs hard when they're on the ground because he can follow it up with just about anything.
The match-up guide says to use f-airs, but I've found the spacing is rather difficult and anything that Marth follows up with can stuff it. =\
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You can make your way in with desynced blizzard. You can wd in and shield grab it. Alternatively, you can wd -> shield backward and bair oos. If Marth d-tilts your shield from afar, you can just wd back and reset.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
dtilt is very hard to get past, so i picked marth and tested it vs a computer ic's
i was just spamming it, so at the times that it was poorly spaced... i got
shield grabbed
rolled behind (behind marth is a good position against him)
sh faired
ice blocked (when i whiffed)
blizzarded (when i whiffed)
anyway
dtilt is one of marth's best moves and he can beat any of those options if his dtilt is spaced properly. however, he really has to work hard to corner the ic's into a position where he can use spaced dtilts. just really try hard to keep him from controlling mid stage. any spaced attack from marth is deadly vs ic's. his main tools are nair, spaced fair, dtilt. just gotta avoid these and use ur shield well and/or desynchs to get in
marth is soooo powerful center stage on yoshi story.
i was just spamming it, so at the times that it was poorly spaced... i got
shield grabbed
rolled behind (behind marth is a good position against him)
sh faired
ice blocked (when i whiffed)
blizzarded (when i whiffed)
anyway
dtilt is one of marth's best moves and he can beat any of those options if his dtilt is spaced properly. however, he really has to work hard to corner the ic's into a position where he can use spaced dtilts. just really try hard to keep him from controlling mid stage. any spaced attack from marth is deadly vs ic's. his main tools are nair, spaced fair, dtilt. just gotta avoid these and use ur shield well and/or desynchs to get in
marth is soooo powerful center stage on yoshi story.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I don't like challenging dtilt with anything aside from my own projectiles. Even then, that can be risky since Marth can CC dtilt you even while getting hit by a blizzard since blizzard's hitboxes are so sparse.
Fair over dtilt is fine if you're really confident that Marth is going to dtilt, but the risk-reward of that gamble is so vastly skewed in Marth's favor that I prefer not to do it unless I'm extremely confident that it will work or that my opponent won't punish it well. More generally speaking, you need to be really careful about when you leave the ground against Marth, even if you're only doing a short hop.
I also don't like shielding dtilt since that also puts Marth in a favorable position; you can sometimes win those exchanges, especially when facing backwards like Chival said, but you generally have more to lose than gain from doing so.
Rolling is okay sometimes. The IASA frames on Marth's dtilt are good enough that he'll probably be able to punish your roll a lot of the time anyways, though. Still, this can put you on the other side of Marth, which can be nice depending on the circumstances.
Fair over dtilt is fine if you're really confident that Marth is going to dtilt, but the risk-reward of that gamble is so vastly skewed in Marth's favor that I prefer not to do it unless I'm extremely confident that it will work or that my opponent won't punish it well. More generally speaking, you need to be really careful about when you leave the ground against Marth, even if you're only doing a short hop.
I also don't like shielding dtilt since that also puts Marth in a favorable position; you can sometimes win those exchanges, especially when facing backwards like Chival said, but you generally have more to lose than gain from doing so.
Rolling is okay sometimes. The IASA frames on Marth's dtilt are good enough that he'll probably be able to punish your roll a lot of the time anyways, though. Still, this can put you on the other side of Marth, which can be nice depending on the circumstances.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
dtilting us in a way that pushes us off the ledge is so painful 
what do u do in that situation my socal friend, besides die?
what do u do in that situation my socal friend, besides die?
Binx
Smash Master
I have two ways to recover after that, one is jump and sweetspot the up b so nana is an invincable rocket and you have ledge invincibility. The other is to jump and immediately airdodge diagonally onto the stage.
If marth is patient he can punish the second one, if he runs off the ledge and gets aggressive he can catch you out of the first one. You are still in an awkward position if he just waits and you nana rocket, but its the safest thing I've found.
If they go after Nana I just ledge hop with an up air an try to punish him for going high. If they continue to wait patiently I have a few mix ups, I will ledge hop another time or two for invincibility and punish on reaction if he goes after Nana at any point, generally with waveland onto the stage grabs and such. This works particularly well when Nana is at low percents because Marth generally can't kill her safely. Nana's AI will also sometimes attack Marth and create openings as well.
The other is to act like im going to ledgehop and jump early enough to waveland onto the stage, if you do it fast enough a lot of Marth's wont punish it.
If marth is patient he can punish the second one, if he runs off the ledge and gets aggressive he can catch you out of the first one. You are still in an awkward position if he just waits and you nana rocket, but its the safest thing I've found.
If they go after Nana I just ledge hop with an up air an try to punish him for going high. If they continue to wait patiently I have a few mix ups, I will ledge hop another time or two for invincibility and punish on reaction if he goes after Nana at any point, generally with waveland onto the stage grabs and such. This works particularly well when Nana is at low percents because Marth generally can't kill her safely. Nana's AI will also sometimes attack Marth and create openings as well.
The other is to act like im going to ledgehop and jump early enough to waveland onto the stage, if you do it fast enough a lot of Marth's wont punish it.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
ALWAYS recover high against Marth. Avoid landing anywhere he can tipper you. Always DI his hits and recover HIGH. He shoudn't be killing you for a while if you follow this basic guideline.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
=\ really?
if i was the marth i'd just walk/wd around following either of the ic's then grab/utilt/fsmash/do whatever to the ic that comes down...
i usually like to sweetspot somehow then waveshield onto the ledge
though this is risky too since it's not a good position vs marth
sigh
recovering in general is not a good position for ic's but maybe i can try ur recover high thing out, chival. my most frequent training partner lately happens to main marth
if i was the marth i'd just walk/wd around following either of the ic's then grab/utilt/fsmash/do whatever to the ic that comes down...
i usually like to sweetspot somehow then waveshield onto the ledge
though this is risky too since it's not a good position vs marth
sigh
recovering in general is not a good position for ic's but maybe i can try ur recover high thing out, chival. my most frequent training partner lately happens to main marth
Binx
Smash Master
Recovering high never really worked for me, at least not against Eggz or Blunted's Marth. Sometimes I try to recover onto a high platform on Yoshi or BF but in general thats only just to hope they make a mistake, if I had a choice I would almost always recover low and try for sweetspots. If I recover high it would only generally be because I want to keep them honest about when to chase off stage.
I'd like to see Mango play a few matches as ICs and see how he recovers, since he has some really amazing mix ups with other characters.
I'd like to see Mango play a few matches as ICs and see how he recovers, since he has some really amazing mix ups with other characters.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i bet mango's ic's would be balls lol
there are certain characters u cant really play well without maining em
like ic's and peach
and i mean like tourny level cuz i know everyone has pocket peaches
there are certain characters u cant really play well without maining em
like ic's and peach
and i mean like tourny level cuz i know everyone has pocket peaches
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I'm also an advocate of recovering high against Marth. You will get hit, but you'll usually make it back to the stage eventually.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
alright then
we must recover
we must recover
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
So Chok I bet you would get top 3/win if you come to the SJ tourney.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
haha why? who's going/not going?
You only want to recover high against Marth if you can't actually get a good grab on the edge with up+b and mix it up with air-dodge to avoid edgehogging. Going high, especially on platformed levels, is begging to get spiked by a backwards d-air or eat a fully-charged shield breaker. If you don't have your double jump to control your recovery better though, relentless forward+b'ing as high as you can get is the way to go.
Even though you're guaranteed to die eventually if the Marth doesn't get annoyed with having to hit you off the level six or twenty times.
Even though you're guaranteed to die eventually if the Marth doesn't get annoyed with having to hit you off the level six or twenty times.
Binx
Smash Master
Exactly my thoughts, as an aside you should use your time recovering in this way to decide your next plan of action as well, since the marth has to concentrate a little harder to hit you than you do to change the limited DI of a forward b recovery.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
recovering vs marth is not fun haha
Nobody said it is! But edgeguarding IC's isn't fun for anybody either because it's drawn-out and boring. And after thirty seconds of hitting you off the damn edge repeatedly only to screw up and eat 20 percent before you finally kill Popo, most people are NOT happy to see Nana respawn along with you.
So I get all into my recoveries like I'm trying super hard and I'm just jazzed to be mashing B and it really makes other people mad.
So I get all into my recoveries like I'm trying super hard and I'm just jazzed to be mashing B and it really makes other people mad.
Vts
Smash Champion
edited for betterness
choknater
Smash Obsessed
haha
against other characters sometimes i like fooling people by landing a synched squall near them and hitting them with dsmash cuz they think i have more lag
sometimes it can be fun
but vs marth
it is definitely not lol
against other characters sometimes i like fooling people by landing a synched squall near them and hitting them with dsmash cuz they think i have more lag
sometimes it can be fun
but vs marth
it is definitely not lol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Recovering happily is demoralizing to your opponents. 
choknater
Smash Obsessed
LOL
alright
every time marth is edgeguarding me
i'll just smile
alright
every time marth is edgeguarding me
i'll just smile
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
LOL andre
<3 IC boards
<3 IC boards
choknater
Smash Obsessed
lols
well i wanna go to a tournamenttttt
but i'm so swamped with 2 weeks of school left that i dont know if i can make one this month haha
well i wanna go to a tournamenttttt
but i'm so swamped with 2 weeks of school left that i dont know if i can make one this month haha
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Marth, Falco, and Jiggs are my favorite matchups.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i really enjoyed marth, but it's becoming more challenging now that i have a main training partner who mains marth. can be very difficult at times, cuz he doesnt fall for my trixies all the time and i gotta mix up my approaches so that my defense doesnt end up cornering myself
those spaced fairs/dtilts man ahhhh!
and then he randomly fthrows me!
i gotta step it up
those spaced fairs/dtilts man ahhhh!
and then he randomly fthrows me!
i gotta step it up
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You just gotta bair out of shield against Marth. Desyncing is good too.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
bair out of shield? that assumes that i am actually blocking and facing away from him... is that really a good idea? lol. it does sound like it'll beat some of his moves but i dunnoooooo
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
It's easy. Just wd into him while facing backward.
Shield his fair and bair oos or
Shield his d-tilt and bair oos.
Also, rolling behind Marth is good if you don't do it predictably.
Shield his fair and bair oos or
Shield his d-tilt and bair oos.
Also, rolling behind Marth is good if you don't do it predictably.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
hm okay. i will try that approach next time i play my friend.
the_irish_dude
SCG TO
"I was going after the Dyna Blade trophy by running a gauntlet with All-Star Mode. I got to the Ice Climbers, and KO'd just Popo (I focus on Popo mostly, even though I know I should focus on both of them).
The weird thing, however, is that when Popo got KO'd, Nana started jumping around in celebration.
Did Nana want Popo KO'd? Maybe he was holding her back from having a good time, always planning to climb new mountains and collect various mountain veggies. Maybe Popo hasn't touched Nana in a while... Maybe Nana had to start living her OWN life, and find some men who can keep up with her wild streak...
Oh well, off Nana goes to sleep with lots of men. In the meantime, I have a Dyna Blade trophy to catch..."
The weird thing, however, is that when Popo got KO'd, Nana started jumping around in celebration.
Did Nana want Popo KO'd? Maybe he was holding her back from having a good time, always planning to climb new mountains and collect various mountain veggies. Maybe Popo hasn't touched Nana in a while... Maybe Nana had to start living her OWN life, and find some men who can keep up with her wild streak...
Oh well, off Nana goes to sleep with lots of men. In the meantime, I have a Dyna Blade trophy to catch..."
john!
Smash Hero
nana is a needy girl
just give her love and attention and she'll be there for you
just give her love and attention and she'll be there for you
schoin
Smash Cadet
Hey guys not sure how well it works competitively but one thing I found out is that SHFF > perfect waveland > attack (usu jab > grab) works hella good vs campy marths.
If you mix it up with empty jumps or normal wavedashes you can bait a lot out of marth, if they're being d tilt heavy you can even use the momentum to jump out of the perfect WL and SHbair over the dtilt.
I dunno I thought I'd put the idea out there since you don't see that much wavelanding with ICs but the distance covered when doing it is too good I thought maybe the boards could figure out ways to take it to the next level.
If you mix it up with empty jumps or normal wavedashes you can bait a lot out of marth, if they're being d tilt heavy you can even use the momentum to jump out of the perfect WL and SHbair over the dtilt.
I dunno I thought I'd put the idea out there since you don't see that much wavelanding with ICs but the distance covered when doing it is too good I thought maybe the boards could figure out ways to take it to the next level.