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I don't even see the reason for that change. He has to be offstage or at the ledge for that to even work in Brawl or Smash 4. I understand why they did it to Bowser in Smash 4, since Bowser could kamikaze you anywhere on the stage as long as he had a % lead. Ganonciding requires you to typically be at a disadvantage(offstage trying to recover) and is typically a gamble because if you miss it, you're throwing away your own stock. Now it might be possible for somebody with a good recovery, or when you're on your last stock, to purposely jump in front of the move when the move is used as a recovery to make you kill yourself while they recover.
OH MY GOD there is, like, no lag. That is so beautiful!
Agree 100%. Flame choke off stage is significantly more riskier, so it was nice that you could win the game in last stock scenarios. Apparently Ganon doesn't go into helpless state anymore after flame choke, so maybe that's why they changed its properties?
That makes sense, not saying it was a good idea to change the flame choke as they did, but it makes sense.
Three moves. 34% > 101%. LUL.
Well the ssbwiki states that his standart grabrange has been approved, among many other things ( such as an actual usuable up-b, finally!) but by how much we'll just have to wait and see. Btw said wiki has a pretty good list of changes from smash4 to ultimate( though how reliable and up to change those may be is anyones guess) and low and behold, ganon seems to have received the most buffs and improvments out of any character!(Is Sakurai a Ganon main after all?) I just hope they don't backpedal on these changes come launch when a bunch of casuals get schooled by the demon king and apply the nerfhammer as a result >_>
Do you honestly believe that there will be a sizable amonunt of scenarios/situation in 1v1 where you'll manage to land an uptilt? Think back toward the end of smash4 for glory, did anyone let him/herself be hit by uptilt besides the occasional very young casual player? The only use I see, is for the purpose of edge guarding and
has more than enough better alternatives as far as that matter is concerned.
I mean, there's still enough of those in Smash 4 for me to like the move and it's reasonable to assume that with U-tilt's buffs and the new Perfect Shield mechanic there will be even more. D-throw to U-tilt works surprisingly often since players don't expect it and shield in panic. That may tell more about the players I come across than the move's utility, but I don't really care.
FFA moves to land kills on players occupied with the others/not focused on you =P
That's more what I was getting at, not so much up tilt actually being that much better. It's just a fun move to connect with, and it being faster makes that easier, plus the zoom-in makes it even more satisfying.
Very situational, but very rewarding when it actually works. It's a move I'll throw out maybe once or twice a game to catch people of guard. If I know I'm playing a good player though, then it just might be once or twice a set. I prefer going with options that are more reliable in a competitive setting. I'll probably be using a little more in Ultimate though. The styyyle.
Yeah, it's definitely fun. We've got a lot of ways to harass recovering opponents now that edge-guarding will be more prevalent since you won't have players spamming air-dodge (+ recoveries in general don't seem to be as stupid as they were in Smash 4). The most satisfying move for me is the reverse Uair. One way ticket to gimp city.
