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Good Marths or even decent Marth's can cover every option you have to get back on the stage it's really annoying. The only thing i have found is to tech his edge guard which half the time isn't possible because his sword is so long, but when you can it throws them off. Marths love edge guarding to so it's annoying when you sence their joy when you are off the stage as fox or falco or pretty much anyone other than maybe samus or link they are tough to edge guard. but i think the only reason marth is a problem towards spacies is because of how he can edge guard .
sheik has better edgeguarding. Taking the ledge + more range. Also, even if he it's the weak part of aerials, then she can just keep going. Needles are also easier to hit and if he tries to go high, then she can hit him easily at all times.
Jigglypuff has to guess alot. If she doesn't know which direction you're jumping in, or if you'll airdodge, DJ sweetspot the edge, etc..she'll be forced to eventually pound or something.
this. i always mess up my edgeguards with puff, it's actually relatively hard. puffs are just really good at it. also sheik > all at edgeguarding. watch m2k
What? Jiggs can edge hang very very well and can throw out large priority, long lasting large hitboxes with F Air and N Air (hell, even D Air) that'll cut through any airdodge attempt and cover all jump directions (including DJ sweetspot if she just falls from the edge) easily and what's more she has the simple ability to hang out there continuing to throw out those hitboxes. There's a reason spacies always die against Hbox and Mango unless they massively balls it up.
Puff's edgeguarding is bonkers. Any character with landing lag all you have to do is hit them once so they need to Up+B, then edgehog them if they fall to short of the stage or Rest them when they land onstage.this. i always mess up my edgeguards with puff, it's actually relatively hard. puffs are just really good at it. also sheik > all at edgeguarding. watch m2k
There's a reason only two Jigglypuffs can do it consistently. I've never been afraid of a Jiggs while off the stage unless its those two.
Dude, hate to break it to you but the only reason they're the only good edgeguarders is because they're the only notable Puffs (though fair enough, Darc too, he seems to have similarly little trouble).There's a reason only two Jigglypuffs can do it consistently. I've never been afraid of a Jiggs while off the stage unless its those two.
Sheik however...I could name like 7 or 8 Sheik players off the top of my head that have LEGIT edge-guarding. With Sheik there is a formula, a set of moves you should always use in X or Y situation. Assessing that situation and choosing the correct plan of attack almost always covers multiple options and nets you a stock.
IMO Jiggs has to freestyle a bit more. Her method of edge-guarding is thus more prone to failure. At high level, alot of Sheik's **** simply has no holes.
Jiggs bair isn't active for very long, but it is mad good. It actually requires aim to use effectively.
Now ask yourself, does Sheik's bair need aim?
In my very first sentence, the reason I was alluding to is the same one you're trying to explain to me in your first sentence. So yes, I understand that there are only two AMAZING Puff players that show us her true capabilities.
Got any tips or rules of thumbs on how to edgeguard as a Sheik? She's sorta like my secondary, so stuff like this would help out immensely.There's a reason only two Jigglypuffs can do it consistently. I've never been afraid of a Jiggs while off the stage unless its those two.
Sheik however...I could name like 7 or 8 Sheik players off the top of my head that have LEGIT edge-guarding. With Sheik there is a formula, a set of moves you should always use in X or Y situation. Assessing that situation and choosing the correct plan of attack almost always covers multiple options and nets you a stock.
IMO Jiggs has to freestyle a bit more. Her method of edge-guarding is thus more prone to failure. At high level, alot of Sheik's **** simply has no holes.
Jiggs bair isn't active for very long, but it is mad good. It actually requires aim to use effectively.
Now ask yourself, does Sheik's bair need aim?
Just use mind games. P:
I've never talked to any smash player that knows more about Sheik than Kirbykaze. You should definitely PM him. He's a fountain of information on that character.
1) I never said Jiggs's edgeguarding was better than Sheik's. I should have edited that last part out in the quote but I really didn't care about it. But whatever, I guess it's my mistake. Anyway, I was responding to you saying it was hard to edgeguard with her. No, it isn't. Whether or not you specifically fail at something does not say much about its difficulty, to me.
at high damage you can just bair but at lower damage (and high damage too), you can grab ledge, and then dair from ledge int.o waveshine upsmash. that's what I like to do at least.