Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Shine jab up air is a good ko option
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Fox - Guide and Discussion Thread
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Nixernator
Smash Ace
How do people set their fingers for multishines? I can shine turnaround out of run, shine land on platforms and the like but find it hard to do multiple (more than 2) shines by sliding from c -> b. It's very easy to get one or two, do you guys claw once you smell a multi shine coming?
Sangoku
Smash Master
I think most people simply slide from left c to b with the right thumb (that's what I do). I don't feel it's more uncomfortable for multishine. I mean if you can do one with this technique, just repeat it quickly.
Nixernator
Smash Ace
I guess I'll just practice more I find getting back from b to c the hard part. Does hitlag on shield give you more time? I practice it standing usually, maybe I'll get my house mate to help me practice hah
Sangoku
Smash Master
It indeed gives you more time. Have you seen my sloppy vid on slowest possible shines to still shieldbreak? You actually don't need to be that fast.
Edit: found it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgOjFvi8Ow
Edit: found it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgOjFvi8Ow
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Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I need help with MultiShining I can do a Shine Cancel after the Dash and stuff
Nixernator
Smash Ace
wow that vid is pretty useful. Yeah I could multishine at the very worst the 6 frames pretty easily I think. Cheers
Han Solo
Banned via Warnings
You can be a master of multishining, but just remember the best Foxes don't even do that. Some of them don't even shine. Focus on spacing if you want to beat anybody worth beating.
mixa
Banned via Warnings
you're a new man. i'm moved.
Han Solo
Banned via Warnings
Well, I guess if you want to beat anybody worth beating, you're not going to be playing Fox in the first place.
Nixernator
Smash Ace
Yeah, I played 64 since its come out and played more brawl competitively so spacing is my better skill set I think. It's just hard to get good offline practice in Australia, and I only have access to a computer to play online once a week (and my time is stretched thin on it). So I just practice random tech by myself for 20-30 mins a day.
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Shine Grab is a very good option on certain characters!
Han Solo
Banned via Warnings
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I meant when the Shine Hits but that works too and how is their a timer in a stock match so confusing!
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mixa
Banned via Warnings
multishine on the saffron platform when it's moving up is a very good option on certain scenarios
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
The only problem is saffron city is a rare stage to play on
Shine Grab is very tricky on Jigglypuff and Kirby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_Z9c7TjQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIEST-b_2Es
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Sangoku
Smash Master
Except your opponent is not teching. It will therefore never work against a real person. The only way to properly shine grab is to use stage gimmicks (slopes for example) and that makes it a very situational technique. Shine on shield to grab OTOH... Kinda works like a jab grab on shield.
mixa
Banned via Warnings
correct, which is why we have a distinction between real smash and fake smash. fake smash uses fake people https://mediacru.sh/lg4otVx6dTaV
Sangoku
Smash Master
mixa staying true to himself, always coming up with the perfect exception/counter example. It doesn't change the fact that it's a gimmick to rely on such a mistake from your opponent.
And even if we know your goal isn't to prove a point, the beginners reading this might get confused.
And even if we know your goal isn't to prove a point, the beginners reading this might get confused.
mixa
Banned via Warnings
can't say I don't appreciate being perceived as consistent. thanks
i agree that it's a gimmick but i disagree that i'm pulling exceptions out of a hat. near is not a real person. it's a fake as far as i know
Combo Blaze
Smash Ace
isai ****ing did that to me on my first match with him ever
i didnt know what to do
i didnt know what to do
mixa
Banned via Warnings
how about becoming a real person
Nixernator
Smash Ace
Anyone have good tips/videos the fox kirby matchup? I just seem to run away a lot and try to camp above them till they make a mistake. I don't really like relying on my opponent messing up to get in, is there any better ways?
SheerMadness
Smash Master
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^ Isai vs Kikoushi.
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Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
too bad kikoushi sandbags in friendlies
boom vs moyashi is more up to date
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Sedda
Smash Champion
Did he tell you he sandbags in friendlies? it may be safer to assume that japanese players are also capable of johnning
Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
It's something i've seen moyashi and kikoushi do. Moyashi is really good at it. Ask boom how many times he beat moyashi before they played in tournament lol.
I'll give you a hint: keyboard king was beating moyashi
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Sedda
Smash Champion
This is kikoushi tho. I don't see why he would sandbag if he was given the opportunity to play isais fox or pika
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Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
he isn't a tryhard in friendlies. I almost beat him once lol. I wached him get beat by an amateur kirby player in friendlies.
mixa
Banned via Warnings
So Boom should study how to beat Moyashi with those friendlies against Donpurin (the same Moyashi who sandbags), but we should ignore the Isai games where he won, because they were friendlies? Even though he played better Fox than Boom did?
Apex 2013 games have expired metagame in them, use with caution!
You beat Han Solo and proclaim that J Fox sucks, but then you lose to J-SNAKE and proclaim that J Fox is amazing?
Gotta ganbatte harder on those thought processes, Karajones.
Apex 2013 games have expired metagame in them, use with caution!
You beat Han Solo and proclaim that J Fox sucks, but then you lose to J-SNAKE and proclaim that J Fox is amazing?
Gotta ganbatte harder on those thought processes, Karajones.
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Sedda
Smash Champion
Yeah, but... Isai is not some random Kirby
Pretty much this. I can't take Karajan's opinion too seriously because he flip flops on a lot of things. Who knows what he's going to be preaching once he comes back from Peru... which reminds me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCcGmYUDgmA
Orlando is the guy who won the peruvian national tournament last year. Apparently he's not considered the best, but both of these guys are top 10 in Peru. Definitely worth a watch. Plenty of matches available from that session too.
SheerMadness
Smash Master
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Karajan will just say anything to hate on Isai.
And to tout boom.
Come to peace with it dudes.
And to tout boom.
Come to peace with it dudes.
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Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
That wasnt a friendly, it was a ranked match ******
I didn't know han solo sucked at that point in time. I didnt say fox was amazing ****head, i said he is better in J version. J fox cant be that amazing if i was able to take games off of their best fox player.
that was not isai's kirby it was kikoushi kirby vs isai fox
@rjgbadger make your own damn adapter
Yeah Isai deserves hate because of the disrespect he showed to the smash community in japan and never apologized for
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Sedda
Smash Champion
wut? I was talking about this
Maybe he sandbagged against that amateur kirby, but Isai is not some scrub who kikoushi decided to sandbag against. I highly doubt anyone would wanna sandbag against Isai
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Nixernator
Smash Ace
Han Solo
Banned via Warnings
Fox is actually good on Hyrule.
Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
yeah and anancitu would have lost that match if orlando didnt miss that upsmash on the last stock
Sedda
Smash Champion
It doesn't matter. The truth is that you will play more friendlies than tourney matches by a longshot. Hyrule is a stage that a lot of people still play on, so I think it's important to know the matchup on there.@Sedda : thanks for the vids I will watch, but I'm sure a lot of people will agree that the matchup is very different on hyrule, hell fox is a different character on hyrule.
Edit: And why is there always so much hate on these forums, its nuts
Also, don't worry about the "hate." Very few people here actually "hate" each other lol. You could just say we're very passionate about what we believe xD
Welp. He missed it and lost. Alancitu also won most of their fox vs kirby matches, so it doesn't matter. Not missing any opportunities is part of being good at the game. Alancitu won
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mixa
Banned via Warnings
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
we'd all have flawless online play across the whole wide world
Herbert Von Karajan
Smash Lord
Well if you wanna be a good fox player, J SNAKE says he always reflects on how he won a match after it is over; he considers how he would have done if the opponent hadn't made technical mistakes or SD's, if his own technical skill was on point, etc.
Develop your technical skill and consistency in training mode, and against lesser opponents. What really matters is how well you can out space your opponent, cause eventually you'll find someone who will have equal or better technical skill than you and then the winner will be whoever is better at the dance.
Alancitu was not outspacing orlando in that match.
Develop your technical skill and consistency in training mode, and against lesser opponents. What really matters is how well you can out space your opponent, cause eventually you'll find someone who will have equal or better technical skill than you and then the winner will be whoever is better at the dance.
Alancitu was not outspacing orlando in that match.
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