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On your Ike point, Cloud is probably the single most likely fighter to get cut. So....I'd rather not have any characters cut, though there are certainly some inclusions I don't feel are justified.
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I'm a Roy main and I dig Binding Blade, though Roy (and his counterpart, Chrom) really have no place being in Smash. Whether or not Roy actually was an "advertisement", nothing about Roy's inclusion does anything for the game, nor is it important for the legacy of Nintendo and for gaming as a whole. The strong hilt mechanic was completely made up solely for Roy to be an opposite to Marth back in Melee, and he was needlessly reintroduced as a semi-clone when he'd just be better off as a clone or an echo of Marth. Chrom's inclusion certainly does make more sense as he was the protagonist of Awakening, the game that represents his franchise's "rebirth", but I fancy Robin more as a representative of Fire Emblem's revival, mainly because their archetype is more unique.
My solution for the excess Marth clones is just to make them alternates for one agile sword-wielding lord character, with the default form being Marth. This would be an excuse to give more fanservice to Fire Emblem fans, with these alternates including other lords like Alm, Seliph, Lyn, Eirika, etc.
2.
Yes, Corrin has a unique moveset. No, this shouldn't entitle them to a spot in the biggest video game crossover of all time. It was pretty obvious that Corrin was added in as an advertisement, even more so than Roy. Fire Emblem Fates, so I've heard, was panned in a lot of areas, and I don't believe the games were important to Nintendo or gaming legacy.
3.
This may hurt the feelings of some, but I'm just not seeing the importance of Ike. Yes, he breaks Fire Emblem molds, with being more brash and serious than other Lords across the series, and swinging a two-handed sword around like it's nothing. But his niche of being a unga bunga heavy sword-wielder nowadays is better represented to me by a character like Cloud. This is also the time for me to push for Hector's inclusion. Yes, Ike can wield an axe, but a character's weapon in Smash is always going to be the main one they use in games. Hector's main weapon is an axe, he could be a super heavyweight, he has a grassroots fan following nearly as large as Ike's is, and could take inspiration from those glorious GBA Fire Emblem battle animations. Would be a much better inclusion rather than Ike, IMO, but his time's long since passed.
4.
In addition to being a Roy main, I'm also a Doc main. I like the "heavier Mario" thing he does but he really didn't need to exist besides being padding for Melee's roster. I really don't see why Mario in a different costume has to be a whole different character.
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Pichu's alright due to being a representative of Pokemon's second generation, but I'd rather see other Pokemon rather than Pikachu's faster, tinier, more annoying younger variant. Like Doc, was added in Melee mostly like as padding for the development crunch. Probably too cute to boot, but eh.
6.
Same deal as with Doc and Pichu. Young Link has the potential for far, far more, but I don't think it's likely for him to get a complete revamp with Majora's Mask type stuff. Toon Link's been in more games than the young milk-drinking fellow, and there's a lot of people out there who dig the more chibi-type Link than the regular one.
7.
Yes, she has a unique moveset, but...why does she even need to exist, though? Besides her Paralyzer, her moveset with the jet boots and plasma whip is completely made up. I think Metroid representation is now well-covered due to Ridley and Dark Samus being in the game. Dark Samus could use a decloning, though.
8.
Same kinda deal as Zero Suit Samus - Sheik's moveset is almost completely made up, sans one or two more details. She's a vestige of Zelda's old transformation mechanic, with a very generic ninja-type moveset. Hell, she doesn't even play her harp!
9.
Sorry Falco, looks like you're gonna have to jack off. Fox already is a character that isn't as inspired as others - while him piloting an Arwing while fighting would look silly, there's still more they could've done with his character, like featuring more moves from his on-foot sequences in some of the games. As it stands now, Falco was a Melee clone from a character that wasn't the most inspired, and then was further decloned in Brawl - but didn't actually make him more inspired than Fox was. Now you may be wondering why I didn't pick Wolf - he's the rival to Fox, that's why! Even if he's the same exact deal as Falco...
10.
A "shillmon", as they often say. I wasn't really a fan of either Incineroar's or Greninja's inclusion. I think a wrestling gimmick could've been done better by a classic character like Star Man or the Amazon from Pro Wrestling. In general, I think Pokemon's roster could be handled better, but what are you gonna do?
Almost all posts in this threads boils down to "I don't like their faces", so most explanations don't really open a chance for discussion anyway.Posting a list without any explanation of why you chose who you chose creates no discussion and is a waste of a post.
Not directed at any one person in particular. Just a problem with list-prone threads that people tend not to realize.
How can I just stop at 10? : PAs Sakurai has stated:
This is a very real conundrum we could have to face in the future, given what Sakurai said. So if we were given no other option but to make roster cuts, who would you cut? Which characters do you personally have the least affinity for? Who are you least favorites? Who would you choose to cut?
Fill this survey out so we can get some data on this: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PWJN9ZV
(Don't worry it's quick and easy, just check the 10 characters and you're done)
EDIT: ECHO CHARACTERS DO NOT COUNT, they are not dignified characters. They are purely bonus fighters, this concept won't change in a future Smash. They don't take up significant development time. You can't pick Dark Pit, Richter, etc. You must pick dignified primary characters; if you don't cut Pit, Dark Pit is essentially automatically in the game.
EDIT AGAIN: Mii FIGHTERS = 1 FIGHTER. You can't separately list Mii Brawler, Gunner, and Swordsman. They count as one character, like a trinity.
Another thing for clarity because I forgot to state this: This poll is based on your personal taste primarily, not necessarily objective reasoning. This is not based on who SHOULD be cut, but who you would like to see cut most personally. I'm trying to get a feel of who are the least beloved characters in Smash. I'm not totally asking to throw out logic, but to use your personal taste. If you are a die-hard Pichu fan yet who thinks he would be a logical cut for a future Smash, then please don't vote him. Vote based on WHO YOU LIKE/DISLIKE as a character. If you feel absolutely unbiased, then go ahead and base it on your logical reasoning if you must. I would rather know who you personally are least attached to, though. Granted, this post would be more effective after we had time playing the game to develop least-favorites.
Remember: Keep it civil! We all have least favorites.
Also, feel free to post your top 10 here. My picks ranked from who I most want cut to least wanted:
1. Mii Fighters
No explanation needed, imo. Obvious pick.
2. Pichu
Obvious pick. I do not care about Pichu, although it is a fun trolly cutesy character. Nice to have as a bonus, but absolutely not worth it if it takes away from another character.
3. Dr. Mario
Actually one of my favorite characters, but he can go for obvious reasons. Nice to have as a bonus, but absolutely not worth it if it takes away from another character.
4. Jigglypuff
Yes, I know, its an original 8 character. But to be honest nobody really cares about Jiggs as a character. Playstyle, yeah sure. I think it's fun playing as Jigglypuff, but the character is so irrelevant. The only reason she continues to have legitimacy is because she was in the original Smash. And to me, I would break that rule for someone else. Another Pokemon would be better than Jigg.
5. Lucas
Love playing as Lucas, but he can go. Not worth the slot, same deal with 1 and 2.
6. Bowser Jr.
Ah one of my most wanted newcomers for Smash 4. If he wasn't implemented as a proxy for Koopalings and battled on-foot, I would've enjoyed the character. But as he is implemented I don't touch this character. He has no personality or flare; because he has to be a skeleton for different Koopalings. Although he is an important Mario character, I think he lacks some appeal in Smash.
7. Ridley
Trigger warning: I still believe Ridley is too big and looks awkward in Smash Ultimate. I've gotten used to the idea, but it still looks awkward for me to see him the same size as Charizard and look arguably less imposing. Maybe if he was a hint larger and less hunched I could get behind him. But as Ridley is currently implemented, I would definitely choose him to be cut. The only reason he is not #1 is because Ridley fans would go absolutely bonkers if he was cut.
8. Piranha Plant
Doesn't matter how well executed he is, or unique. As a character, a standalone character, he can be cut. Although very recognizable...it's Piranha Plant. A generic enemy from Mario. There are plenty more "legitimate" characters than the plant.
9: Corrin
FE fans don't even like this character apparently. In Smash he's fun to play as, but as a character he was DOA. Therefore, he is expendable.
10: Robin
Robin is an alright character, pretty unique. But Fire Emblem can definitely afford to lose some "reps" and Robin lacks the star power in Smash. I think his time came and went tbh.
Uh, no one asked for Mr. game and watch and robIn my Super Smash Bros. Eternity (the 6th pretend game) here are the 14 cut characters:
: Mother 3 will never be outside of Japan
: Who asked for her? (I know she was popular)
: Everyone. Hates. Male. and we didn't need another FE rep
: Wii Fit is dead
: Would prefer Heracross for Gen 2 instead of this Pikaclone
: Wasted ideas with his masks
: We didn't need 3 Links
: Uninteresting and fans hate him
: Waluigi and Daisy get no attention in mainline Mario games cause of her getting overused
: No history with Nintendo
: Horny pervs with fan-service and her being stronger than Power Suit
: Only appeared in one main game and that's it (Hyrule warriors doesn't count)
: Someone wanted him as a alt, wasted slot
: Hated cause Mewtwo got replaced
Edit: Removed Isabelle and Snake
You do realize that changing things like damage type (Dark Samus, Dr. Mario, Chrom, and Richter losing fire effects, for example) is way too different to be a costume, right? That's not a cosmetic change, but an actual gameplay change, as a move having fire properties actually impacts gameplay (setting off explosives, the way they interact with Red Pikmin, etc).8. All Semi-Clones (Make their stats similar to the fighter they are based on and keep the animations/particle effects different. They need to be alternate COSTUMES Sakurai...not alternate fighters. Seeing Mario and Dr. Mario on the same screen, but as different fighters has NEVER made sense to me.)
7. All Echoes (If Echoes take less work to make then let me follow that line of thinking and crunch them all down into a single fighter time period. Turn them into alt colors with minor changes like fire damage instead of lightning or whatever, but DO NOT give them their own slot!)
I mean, this pretty much IS the case for Greninja. He was far and away the Kalosian favorite within the Pokémon fandom long before his Smash debut. He was especially popular among the competitive community. Japan, in particular, loves Greninja, too, and he was voted the most popular Kalos Pokémon. Add onto that the fact that Greninja had a prominent role in Pokémon's first Hollywood film, and I'd say he's more than cemented himself as an incredibly popular Pokémon. No other Kalos Pokémon even comes close, outside MAYBE Sylveon due to how popular Eevee is.6)TIE-and
. Didn't they make Pikachu the starter Pokemon for Ash because they didn't want one starter to overshadow the others? Well, I guess that Gamefreak and/or Nintendo and/or the Pokemon Company and/Sakurai doesn't! I would prefer if the mascots of each Pokemon generation were random Pokemon in the dex like Lucario, or even let the fans decide who the mascots of each generation of games are.
He's literally the furthest thing from irrelevant considering Dr. Mario World is coming out...3:no longer relevant :l this character just takes space i mean hell at least the Links are different character wise but this is literally Mario with a doctor costume...
This one is just straight up incorrect lol. He literally got in due to fan demand. And he has exactly one of Ike's moves...and not only is it not even an exact match, but it's literally a move Chrom canonically used.9:hes basically a half clone of Roy & Ike..he needs to go besides i think hes the least liked of the FE characters so the best choice is to kick him out and open the door for Edgelord..eh i mean Edelgard!
He's literally the furthest thing from irrelevant considering Dr. Mario World is coming out...
This one is just straight up incorrect lol. He literally got in due to fan demand. And he has exactly one of Ike's moves...and not only is it not even an exact match, but it's literally a move Chrom canonically used.