Footstools and why you should be using them

[DrinkingFood]

pure sodium is actually explosive when it comes into contact with water, such as the water vapor in the air

 

[CORY]

now, if you guys were talking about pure sodium ion, that's a different story. but, as df said, you have to be really specific.

 

[B.W.]

plz change title to "Pure Salt and and what you should know about it"

 

[Chesstiger2612]

So, footstools are a great OoS if you are facing away from your opponent. If you have a platform above you you can also do that trick (it is Brawl but the first part, footstool into platform cancel still works. Depending on the character mostly dair is the best followup then.
Also footstooling shields: great as shield pressure! Some characters then can do a downward move while rising (shine works with Fox and Wolf, not with Falco though. Many dairs work especially dairs inducing downward momentum like MK's). Also combine this with the platform cancel for ultimate efficiency!
Also here is an example of the platform cancel in PM.

 

[Strong Badam]

you can only platform cancel onto moving platforms. so smashville plat, some of drac's, and a couple others. the video you linked in PM is not the brawl platform cancel; that's the melee one where you land with an aerial during its auto cancel frames.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

OK thanks for correcting me

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Depending on the opponent's height, yeah, it can be as early as a Frame-1 out-of-shield option. Footstools go through shields in 3.0(2), so it can be pretty useful.

 

[Soft Serve]

Footstools going through shields is ridiculous. Preemptively shielding against a lucas/yoshi/m2/ness/MK/Wario/Diddy/Tink/snake is just asking to get footstooled into DJC/Footdive/AGT/snakeup-b>dair etc. footstool DJC is so scary.

 

[SixSaw]

As Wario, is there a reason to punish preemptive shielding with a footstool instead of bite?

 

[Soft Serve]

Footstool >dair allows for different followups than what you can off of a bite. I actually don't know what Wario gets off of a bite, but Dair sets up so many combos and kil options.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I actually think it is justified because footstool has little range. Maybe people will be starting to use them...

 

[Zimflare]

sin, when do you footstool when you can just instant dair?

Another reason is that it can't be meteor cancelled as mentioned in the first post.

 

[Fish&Herbs19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FSnulWJuR4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPDbJVQYq0

These videos do not show all the options listed below.

Here's a list of combos characters can do after footstooling a grounded opponent--

Lime means that it works on every character.
Yellow means that it either doesn't work on every character, or that I am unsure if it works on every characters. Waveland combos tend to be the iffiest on taller characters, like Ike and Dedede.

Universal (all characters): waveland -> Jab, waveland -> Grab (except for tether grabs)

Mario: Down-B, Waveland -> D-Smash, Waveland -> reverse U-Smash, N-Air
Luigi: Down-B, waveland -> U-Tilt, Waveland -> D-Smash, Waveland -> reverse U-Smash, N-Air, Up-B (sweetspot!)
Peach: Float -> anything, Aerial Glide toss -> lots of stuff, Waveland -> D-Smash
Bowser: Fastfall D-Air, Waveland -> Up-B
Wario: D-Air, Down-B, Waveland -> D-Tilt, Waveland -> Neutral-B, Forward-B
Donkey Kong: Waveland -> Up-B, Waveland -> Dash Attack
Diddy Kong: Aerial Glide Toss -> lots of stuff, Waveland -> D-Smash, Waveland -> Dash Attack, Up-B, D-Air
Captain Falcon: Down-B, Forward-B, Up-B
Link: Aerial Glide Toss -> lots of stuff, Waveland -> D-Smash
Toon Link: Aerial Glide Toss -> lots of stuff, D-Air
Zelda: Neutral-B, Waveland -> D-Tilt, Waveland -> U-Smash, waveland -> D-Smash
Sheik: Waveland -> any tilt, Waveland -> D-Smash, N-Air
Ganondorf: Forward-B, Down-B, Waveland -> F-Tilt, Up-B
Fox: Waveland -> U-Tilt, Waveland D-Smash, Waveland -> Down-B, Fastfall D-Air, Down-B
Falco: Waveland -> U-Tilt, Waveland D-Smash, Waveland -> Down-B, Down-B
Wolf: Waveland -> D-Smash, Down-B, Forward-B (short-cancel sweetspot), Waveland -> any tilt
Zero Suit Samus: Waveland -> any tilt, waveland -> U-Smash
Pikachu: Waveland -> D-Smash, Fastfall D-Air, N-Air
Jigglypuff: D-Air, N-Air, Down-B, Waveland -> move into position -> Down-B
Lucario: Waveland -> OHC silliness, D-Air
Squirtle: Waveland -> any tilt, Up-B
Ivysaur: Waveland -> F-Tilt, Waveland -> D-Tilt, F-Air, D-Air (sourspot), U-Air (meteor hit), N-Air
Charizard: Sweetspot N-Air, D-Air, Up-B
Ness: Double-jump cancel -> all aerials, Up-B, D-Air, N-Air
Lucas: Double-jump cancel -> all aerials, Down-B
Marth: Waveland -> D-Smash, F-Air, D-Air, Up-B
Ike: Fastfall D-Air
Pit: Waveland -> U-Tilt, Waveland -> any Smash, D-Air
King Dedede: Waveland -> U-Tilt, Fastfall D-Air, super-situational Waddle-dashing
R.O.B.: Waveland -> any Smash
Mr. Game and Watch: Up-B, Down-B (only partly-charged), waveland -> D-Tilt
Snake: Fastfall D-Air, Waveland -> F-Tilt, Waveland -> Down-B stick
Sonic: D-Air, Up-B, Down-B hold hitbox

Does this mean Captain Falcon can't Footstool> Dair, but he can Footstool> Grab? Sorry, I'm kind of confused.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Does this mean Captain Falcon can't Footstool> Dair, but he can Footstool> Grab? Sorry, I'm kind of confused.

Lime means that it works on every character.
Yellow means that it either doesn't work on every character, or that I am unsure if it works on every characters.

Universal (all characters): waveland -> Jab, waveland -> Grab (except for tether grabs)
Captain Falcon: Down-B, Forward-B, Up-B

D-Air is not on this list, so he cannot footstool -> D-Air.
Footstool -> grab is something that almost every character can do.

 

[ThreeSided]

Say I'm trying to edge guard an Ike player and I grab the ledge. He uses up b, the sword shoots up through me because I still have invincibility. Normally, he would make it to the stage fine in front of me. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Can't I literally just drop off the ledge and footstool him to his death?

If this is a thing, there are about to be a lot of angry Ike players in my group.

 

[standardtoaster]

I don't think he's able to be footstooled during that action. You'd just get the jump height aka 'ghost footstools'

 

[ThreeSided]

I don't think he's able to be footstooled during that action. You'd just get the jump height aka 'ghost footstools'

Right. Forgot about the whole "can't be doing something" thing. Though I suppose I could just drop down and do it before they get into aether range. That should work, right?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Right. Forgot about the whole "can't be doing something" thing. Though I suppose I could just drop down and do it before they get into aether range. That should work, right?

What's stopping him from just pressing Up-B before you're within footstool range? That's the problem; anyone looking for it can see the possibility a mile away and start Up-B before you can footstool.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

What's stopping him from just pressing Up-B before you're within footstool range? That's the problem; anyone looking for it can see the possibility a mile away and start Up-B before you can footstool.

Footstool buffs incoming

 

[ThreeSided]

What's stopping him from just pressing Up-B before you're within footstool range? That's the problem; anyone looking for it can see the possibility a mile away and start Up-B before you can footstool.

Well, my point was that I would get into range before they are within range of the stage for aether. When I say "within range", I mean that if they start aether, they can grab the ledge. If I reach them before that, sure, they can use aether, but they will die.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

At that point, they can swing F-Air to protect themselves, or they'd have to use Forward-B to even have a chance of living.

 

[Strong Badam]

Footstool is cool and I'm posting so Team Rocket is back.

 

[ThreeSided]

At that point, they can swing F-Air to protect themselves, or they'd have to use Forward-B to even have a chance of living.

Yep! And if they're too low, which ike players often are, either of those options spells death. If they cope, they do so by recovering higher, and then I can just punish with Marth/Mewtwo Fsmash, Falcon aerials, or sheik needles.

Sounds like a good option to me!

 

[Daftatt]

 

[SpiderMad]

I forget, do both of those work or they didn't up-b in time?

 

[Daftatt]

I forget, do both of those work or they didn't up-b in time?

as far as I am aware, they were mashing recover non-stop and did so as soon as the end of the spike let them.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

You can mash out of paralyzer stun, so the time for ZSS to get you can/should vary greatly.

 

[1FD]

If ZSS waveland into USmash is listed then it seems to me like waveland into UpB should.
@ Soft Serve Wario gets your soul off a Bite
Things like Bite into sour spot Uair DJ Bite to drag you back to the ground and do it again because he likes the taste of your soul so much

 

[Ogopogo]

long list of footstool combos

Could we get this updated with 3.0 characters?

 

[Sixth-Sense]

Could we get this updated with 3.0 characters?

your signature with what leffen said, where did he say that?

 

[Ogopogo]

your signature with what leffen said, where did he say that?

On a twitch chat thing.

Anyways regarding footstools I know Kirby can footstool off of landing his down-b on someone grounded at low percents. Rock -> Footstool -> Rock -> Footstool -> repeat. I don't know if this is a real combo, however.

 

[Soft Serve]

Can zero suit footstool out of dowb-b? Dont have time to hit the lab and test it, but that would be godlike.

Footstool>WL grab/smash is soo good like damn. Ive been using it out of Diddy's side-b jump and even when I don't do it fast enough, pretty much everyone expects the slap>fair so I get it most of the time.

 

[MonkUnit]

AFAIK she cannot footstool out of downB. However, she still has the flipstool from Brawl. I think you just hold B and when you are on top of the victim's head, you bounce off them

 

[Daftatt]

AFAIK she cannot footstool out of downB. However, she still has the flipstool from Brawl. I think you just hold B and when you are on top of the victim's head, you bounce off them

does flipstool go through shield? If so then I have a whole new pressure strategy I need to work on

 

[Strong Badam]

i footstooled a yoshi to kill him at 40ish% today in crews :D

 

[CORY]

do you feel like a real man?!

WELL, DO YOU?! ARE YOU PROUD?

 

[MonkUnit]

does flipstool go through shield? If so then I have a whole new pressure strategy I need to work on

It flipstools off of the shield but does not actually hit the victim.

 

[NisforSmash]

Does footstooling work on shield?

 

[Daftatt]

Does footstooling work on shield?

yes, it stops their shield while you footstool them, you can fullstool or short footstool, just FYI

 

[sushifreAk]

IIRC Marth's footstool in Barwlz put most characters in the perfect place for a dAir.