im almost insulted that you think i could really be that naive
im not townreading j by any means and hes still on my ****list. there are two scenarios behind his vote on you a few pages ago
1. he flipped a **** at you misreading him (im going to assume youre usually accurate with him) and he got upset that you were so off base to the point that he believed you were bull****ting a read. i understand this point of view cuz theres been times where i was town and thought 'yo what the **** is this slot really THIS dumb?' when *****s are pushing me
2. hes scum who went into full self preservation and omgusd you with a side dish of hardbody ate for whatever reason
im not sure as to which is likelier at the moment. this is some of the SLOPPIEST play ive ever seen from j. for now im fully onboard with karebear dying tho i still dont like j
I just wanted it in writing what your feelings are on J atm, I wasn’t going to just assume that your read on J had stayed the same when your behavior towards him changed.
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: I'll respond a tad later but my thoughts on how people are looking at me. No, people are not town reading me but they have decided to back off because of my recent play being very different to my earlier play. People don't town read/like me, but they just dislike other slots more and do not consider me the best lynch for D1.
Weird analogy, but I've turned from main dish to side entree if that makes any sense.
I totally understand that, but I just wanted to hear people clarify their reads and what your posts did to affect their behavior. This is mostly for future reference so that if they never mention you as a scumread again, I (or someone else if I’m dead) can look back and say “Yeah, they did say they dropped their suspicions back on D1” or “what happened to the scumread you had on J D1? How did it completely disappear or get ti into a townread after being backburnered?” Same situation if someone says they read you as town based on toDay then jumps on a wagon for you later. I don’t want people to be able to blindly justify their actions in the future by jumping back and saying that they always had a town/scum read on you since our wall battle but they just didn’t say so and that’s totally why their actions are congruent with their previous actions and reads.
Where did you even get this? I actually think the AtE has been the sketchiest part of his play since he backed off of you, but I feel like his play is enough for me to warrant a IGMEOY vibe moving forward. But I do feel a lil nasty about him + Garg, and don't townread Garg nearly enough to try and cockblock the lynch... But we DO have until Tuesday.
I actually got it from this post from you:
J if you are town (which that response is making me think) you are a total flamer. Go ahead and re evaluate but that is a really peculiar way of going about admitting you were wrong to say the least.
This was your first post after J’s AtE-filled post, and it sounded to me like his post had significantly altered your opinion of him in the direction of a town lean. What were you saying/thinking when you made this post, if my assessment is incorrect?
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July
you keep calling rid**** red**** and it's the funniest thing ever)
Ha, I can’t even guarantee I’ll stop doing it now, even though you’ve pointed it out. It just feels natural to type it as reddick by this point.
See the thing is, it really is just a gut thing. I have nothing to back things up purely because I do not have Honk's flip. I dislike IR mainly for his push on Honk now that I am reading Honk as a hard-town read. I will give this to Gheb's courtesy though. Gheb has been making good posts, however, they are the type of posts that look good regardless of what he is saying. They are incredibly, as you put it, diplomatic. I see Gheb as the devil's advocate this game on a lot of reads on players. His list of who to die is kind of extensive, but that's Gheb and his hatred towards players he considers "bad" which makes me think of it as null and something he would do regardless of alignment. If he was scum, I would probably bet on one of the names he listed to be a partner of some sort. The only reason I would lynch Gheb is if Honk were to flip in someway in the future and if Honk were to flip town(like I am thinking) it just paints them in a bad light. If Honk were to flip mafia, I would probably let Gheb live till LyLo.
See, I actually disagree with you on the first part, about Gheb looking bad if Honk flips town. I’m not convinced that town Gheb wouldn’t tunnel the **** out of someone he really thought was scum, so even if Honk were to be lynched and flip town that’s not a strong indicator of alignment to me. I do agree with your second part that Gheb has been increasingly diplomatic, or I guess for me, I feel like he’s also just really holding himself back on giving out real details behind his thoughts, reads, and criticisms, which leaves some of his input incredibly unhelpful.
I keep going back and forth on whether I have Gheb as a scum-read or I just immensely dislike his read on Honk. Kind of like you in a sense, I disagree with your reads hard and I find that a tad shocking for a player like you, July. I want to talk about this now since marshy brought it up. His reasoning for his point #1 is truly how I felt when I was writing my case against you. I heavily dislike your read on me because it just seemed fabricated. The fact that you are beginning to re-evaluate yourself on my slot makes me feel much comfier with you then previously because I know ScumJuly is a tunnel-manic. *Side-note: I want to apologize about the JDLR thing if it did hurt your feelings because it seems I may have stepped on a bad spot* You have a way of posting that is just...enchanting when you talk about people and you were just adamantly choosing to sit on your read on me and not budge/nor look at what I was posting and focusing on the buddying of JS. I am a sucker for good logic, that means when people post things that are logic, I am going to read them in a better light than not. I'm one of the only players to see you as scum and have been your scum-buddy multiple times.
It’s hard for me to always respond to your points J, because in all honesty, it’s just hard for me to think about meta at all after all this time. I don’t know if my play is significantly different from what it used to be, but I absolutely feel differently playing than I used to because it feels so much more like a real game now after being away for a while, in that its actually fun and not as stressful (sans typing up walls). But anyways, I can’t guarantee my reads are right, I’m going off of what people are saying and who’s doing what and what I think their intent is and how they’re making connections, but ultimately I don’t know if my reads are correct yet or I’m heading in the right direction until there is a flip, and ultimately neither do you unless your scum (that’s not meant as an accusation, but as a fact that only scum can know whether or not people’s reads are definitely bad on D1). We can test whether my reads are bad compared to yours though and lynch Garg toDay :-)
Also, I wasn’t really upset about the JDLR thing, it just seemed like a really strange point of contention and I also do really like it as a term and and and investigative framework.
You are usually able to read my intent incredibly well and see what I am doing in my posts since you read subtext incredibly well when you are town. I know you said you do not have time to go through a re-read and narrow down at things but if you do ever get the time, I urge you to re-read my slot and isolate me from the rest of the game. Look at why I am doing things and look at my subtext again. I feel that would help you read me. The reason I am saying this is because you still hold me high on your *should die* list.
I make no promises on the reread, but I can try. I’m honestly more interested in your play moving forward though anyways, considering you’ve declared your D1 play horrible and such.
I have two things I would like to talk to you in this post. Let's start with the bolded, if we may. It's mainly just a clarification because in the beginning of the game you thought Kary+J = scum-team and with this sentence, it seems to suggest that you think KaryScum=/=Jscum when GargScum=Jscum *or vice-versa if I am reading you correctly*. Can just be a Yes or No answer pretty much.
I never made explicit connections/scumteams earlier in the game (when my scumreads were just you and Kary) because I didn’t see much of a connection or a disconnect there, you guys just both existed in the same game and both read scummy. The first time I saw a real scumteam as likely was you/Garg, for reasons stated in previous posts (apparent bussing, then apparent backtracking). Now, watching you push for Kary over Garg and really sticking to that, I am inclined to say a Kary/J scumteam is unlikely, and yes I do think that Gargscum=Jscum.
Second thing is actually a thing that I will ask an explanation for. It seems you are leaning on siding with Ruy>Gorf in this situation. Again, I am having mirror thoughts then you on this. Why do you think Gorf would be the more likely to flip scum than Ruy? You say that you do not see the RR case, but what exactly are you not seeing? Do you seriously have that strong of a town-read on Ruy?
Not particularly, I’m actually just sitting back and taking in RR and Gorf’s interactions right now. What Iwas at least trying to convey is that I understand why people are looking into Gorf and the accusations that he’s sidelining or armchairing. Does that bother me all that much? Not really, it doesn’t set off any red flags for me because I don’t see it as insidious, but I can see where people are coming from and I’ll keep and eye out and make sure that I don’t overlook things that might be insidious or actually reveal scum intent. As for RR, I really haven’t seen anything wrong with his play, once again no red flags, but I’m also just not seeing the arguments against RR as being laid out as clearly as they have been against Gorf, so I’m not even sure what I’m missing in the conversation about him but I feel like I’m missing something. I can’t say with confidence who would be more likely to flip scum than the other, and I think both are less likely than you, Garg, and Kary to flip scum, so they are both situated squarely in the “would not lynch” area for toDay and I just plan to keep a better, more critical eye on them going forward.
One read I cannot recall from you is your Nich read. Can you update me on that? Thanks.
He’s leaning pretty far town for me, in large part because he was one of the first people to blow the lid off of the Honk wagon and expose the flaws in it, and I found his case on Garg genuine and compelling. So in essence, I’ve really liked his reads and the reasoning behind his reads.
