Flamecaller of Kalos: Delphox for DLC! What future do the flames foretell?

[Jigglymaster]

I could never figure out a way to make a Delphox mii, lacking the giant earfluff is just too much, but i'll check out the one that was posted before to see if they came up with anything interesting.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I could never figure out a way to make a Delphox mii, lacking the giant earfluff is just too much, but i'll check out the one that was posted before to see if they came up with anything interesting.

Just giant hair.

 

[Shanoa]

I could never figure out a way to make a Delphox mii, lacking the giant earfluff is just too much, but i'll check out the one that was posted before to see if they came up with anything interesting.

Ugh yeah. If Delphox doesn't make it to smash; I hope they'll at least give us a Delphox hat. :/

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Ugh yeah. If Delphox doesn't make it to smash; I hope they'll at least give us a Delphox hat. :/

Or at least something orange that's not a Daisy wig.
I can say though that Mii Gunner's moveset isn't bad far Delphox.

 

[Shanoa]

Yeah, I'm fine with Mii Gunner because there's this nice mage robe costume I would use. Now that I think about it, a full Delphox costume would be pretty cool. Imagine it included alongside a Greninja Swordsman and a Chesnaught Brawler. xD

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I have two more "proposals" for a moveset:

-Should Delphox have any "tricksy" moves that steals items (Switcheroo, Magic Room)?
-Should Delphox have any buffing moves (Howl)?
-Should Delphox have any nerfing moves (Lowering attack power, lowering speed)?

I feel the former is more suited for Braixen and not so much for the graceful and fair Delphox, though she is a fox and those are tricksy.

The second one does fit her as a mage, but I'm not 100% sure yet.

For the last one, I do think Delphox needs a "Burning"-effect in her moveset that cripples attack power.

What do you think?

 

[Shanoa]

I don't know about the status moves that steal items but I like the idea of using the status moves that can inflict statuses on opponents. For example, Hypnosis can put foes to sleep, WoW can inflict a burn (DoT/damage reduction perhaps), Swagger can confuse the opponent, etc. Last thing about crippling effects is alright, it just has to be fair/balanced for it to work.

Btw about the potential trailer for Delphox, they better have this the theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyrRzSfIqZQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Delzethin]

Have we really had this many posts in half a day? This is really something.

A few random moveset ideas:

-Delphox can inflict burning with her Smashes
-Delphox can inflict the Spicy Curry effect on herself
-Delphox can cripple the opponent's attack power

All of the attacks is a bit much, maybe Smashes only?

I also have an idea on how Future Sight could work:

Delphox bows forward and her stick's fire glows blue for a second.
If the flame touches the opponent, the opponent be marked with light blue fire at their feet.
When they attack Delphox, the flame explodes and opponents are launched.

I have two more "proposals" for a moveset:

-Should Delphox have any "tricksy" moves that steals items (Switcheroo, Magic Room)?
-Should Delphox have any buffing moves (Howl)?
-Should Delphox have any nerfing moves (Lowering attack power, lowering speed)?

I feel the former is more suited for Braixen and not so much for the graceful and fair Delphox, though she is a fox and those are tricksy.

The second one does fit her as a mage, but I'm not 100% sure yet.

For the last one, I do think Delphox needs a "Burning"-effect in her moveset that cripples attack power.

What do you think?

Wow, you're practically a fountain of ideas. If you feel you can put a whole moveset together, then by all means, go for it!

Shay and I did give our version of Will-O-Wisp a burn effect that does additional damage over time, and there're a handful of attacks on canon characters that have similar quirks, so those kinds of extra effects are definitely possible.

I had an idea about Mystical Fire and all of her fire attacks crippling the foe's attack power, but I'm still trying to think about ways to balance it.

I'd actually considered having our version of Mystic Fire have an effect on hit that lowered opponent's damage outputs for a little while, but I decided to pass on it for now. Maybe we'll put it into v2 of the set, but for now if you feel you can get it to work in your own moveset, go ahead!

Btw about the potential trailer for Delphox, they better have this the theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyrRzSfIqZQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'm more a fan of this one, personally...although it's not already in the game, so we'd need a new Pokémon stage among however few DLC stages they want to make...

 

[TriforceOfAura]

I feel like addressing something I haven't seen any of us address. Say Delphox makes it into Smash, all our dreams come true, yeah, yeah... but. What would Delphie's Final Smash be? I haven't seen any of us give this thought any thought whatsoever. Any ideas, anyone? I'm not sure of many myself, I'm still thinking... *thinks*

 

[TriforceOfAura]

Also, as for the theme music for a potential Delphie trailer, here's the one I recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-M0isViaQ It's the X and Y Elite Four Battle music. I'm not sure if it's in the Wii U version, after all, I don't have a Wii U. For the second part of the trailer, if it cuts through music, like Mega Man's trailer, fast forward to 1:05. Also also, if some of you could check out my thread on Pokemon DLC Ideas, that'd be great. Here's the link: http://smashboards.com/threads/pokemon-dlc-ideas.410134/#post-19652493

 

[Delzethin]

Also, as for the theme music for a potential Delphie trailer, here's the one I recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-M0isViaQ It's the X and Y Elite Four Battle music. I'm not sure if it's in the Wii U version, after all, I don't have a Wii U. For the second part of the trailer, if it cuts through music, like Mega Man's trailer, fast forward to 1:05.

It actually isn't, somehow. Victory Road is, the Champion's theme is, but not the Elite Four theme. Even though it takes place where you fight the Elite Four.

It's strange. Oh well, at least we have that godlike Route 10 remix?

I feel like addressing something I haven't seen any of us address. Say Delphox makes it into Smash, all our dreams come true, yeah, yeah... but. What would Delphie's Final Smash be? I haven't seen any of us give this thought any thought whatsoever. Any ideas, anyone? I'm not sure of many myself, I'm still thinking... *thinks*

Well, Shay and I came up with one inspired by one of Delphox's Pokédex entries:

Using psychic power, it generates a fiery vortex of 5,400 degree Fahrenheit, incinerating foes swept into this whirl of flame.

And we turned it into this:

Final Smash: Inferno Vortex
Delphox lets out a howl that echoes though the air, and levitates to the center of the stage. Countless flames come to life around her, quickly forming into a massive tornado of fire that spans 1/3 of Battlefield in size and rises to the upper blast zone! The player can guide the vortex left and right, and anyone caught in it takes multiple strong hits before being thrown violently out of it!
-If used on a scrolling stage, Delphox and the vortex both move along with the scroll, as with similar Final Smashes.

It doesn't always have to be a specific move--Greninja combines a few, and Lucario's in Brawl was completely original. As long as if feels true to character and appropriately powerful, it can work.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

It actually isn't, somehow. Victory Road is, the Champion's theme is, but not the Elite Four theme. Even though it takes place where you fight the Elite Four.

It's strange. Oh well, at least we have that godlike Route 10 remix?


Well, Shay and I came up with one inspired by one of Delphox's Pokédex entries:


And we turned it into this:


It doesn't always have to be a specific move--Greninja combines a few, and Lucario's in Brawl was completely original. As long as if feels true to character and appropriately powerful, it can work.

Great idea! I feel dumb that I didn't think of that. But on an unrelated note, Ness stole Lucario's Final Smash...

 

[Delzethin]

Great idea! I feel dumb that I didn't think of that. But on an unrelated note, Ness stole Lucario's Final Smash...

I like to think of it more as being repurposed, since it was a better design than the crapshoot that was the Brawl version of PK Starstorm.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

I like to think of it more as being repurposed, since it was a better design than the crapshoot that was the Brawl version of PK Starstorm.

Good point. Just out of curiosity, have any of us given thought to Delphox's physics? Fall speed, jumps, horizontal air movement, weight, et cetera? I'll think about it a bit and post some ideas in the morning.

 

[Delzethin]

Good point. Just out of curiosity, have any of us given thought to Delphox's physics? Fall speed, jumps, horizontal air movement, weight, et cetera? I'll think about it a bit and post some ideas in the morning.

We thought of that, too.

Size: 7/10
Weight: 89 (Upper-Lightweight, T-38th w/ Peach)
Walk Speed: 1.19 (Semi-fast, 18th, ahead of Link and Mii Swordfighter but behind the Pits)
Running Speed: 1.7 (Semi-fast, 19th, ahead of Mewtwo and Wii Fit Trainer but below Donkey Kong)
Jump Height: 6/10
Air Speed: 1 (Average, T-24th w/ Rosalina, Robin, and Little Mac)
Fall Speed: 1.35 (Semi-Floaty, T-35th w/ Zelda, Olimar, and Pac-Man)
Attack Strength: 5.5/10
Attack Speed: 4/10
Combo Potential: 6/10
Kill Power: 5/10
Recovery: 6.5/10

If you have a different take on it, though, I think we'd all be interested to see. The more variety in ideas we have, the better, you know?

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Double Whammy Delphox
Concept: Status-effect fire mage

Justification
Delphox in Pokémon X and Y is a Fire/Psychic-type Pokémon, specialised in seeing the future and in wielding her fire staff.
This fire can give opponents the "Burning" effect, which cripples the opponent's attack power while damaging them over time.

Along with effectively nerfing opponents, Delphox can also buff herself.
Flame Charge can enhance her speed, and Howl can buff her attack power.

Also, you might think that fire has been used already to the full effect, but it is in fact not.
Fire has only been used yet in small portions, but not as an entire moveset and in its full capacity.

Heck, we haven't even had the burning effect that deals damage over time.

Delphox can open up the full potential of fire, by using high arcane blasts, spreading fires and crippling opponents options and power.

But that's not all.
Delphox also has the psychic side of moves.

Delphox is known for predicting the future with Future Sight.
While it could work as a counter, it could also be used as a delayed explosion, like Crash Bomb.

The psychic side of things also has its fair shair of status effects.
Psychic lowers the attack power of Specials, Psybeam confuses them and Light Screen buffs Delphox when attacked.

How graceful Delphox may look, it's still a fox and as a foreign proverb says:
"A fox may lose its hairs, but not its tricks"

In this case, while Delphox has gotten a elegant robe and dito moves, it still has foxy tricks.
Delphox still knows moves like Swticheroo and Magic Room, that steal or lowers the effect of items, to give the moveset a thief-ish accent.

Uniqueness
Besides there being little mages in general, there hasn't been used with it either.
No damage over time
No self-buffing
No opponent-nerfing
No AoE-attacks
No wands

Delphox would fix all of these.

 

[Gene]

Even though we could of had two fire pokemon I would've been more hyped for Delphox as the gen 6 rep in smash 4 than Geninja. As much as I like frog characters in video games I really dislike Greninja's playstyle and design. I just don't like him.

A mage fox that's a fire/psychic sounds pretty neat. It would be great to have more magic like fighters in Smash. I also liked Delphox's design, and the previous evolutions, since they were revealed.

I really appreciate that extreme ear fluff.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

We thought of that, too.


If you have a different take on it, though, I think we'd all be interested to see. The more variety in ideas we have, the better, you know?

Size: 7.2/10(A lot like Mewtwo's size)
Weight: 95(Given they are two pounds different in Pokemon, it makes sense for Delphie to be one weight higher than Greninja)
Walk Speed: 1.71(Just below , just ahead of )
Run Speed: 1.49(Just ahead of , just behind )
Jump Height: 7.8/10(She isn't anywhere near Falco, who has the game's highest jumps, but she has the Mewtwo/Ness/Lucas/Yoshi jumping style.
Air Speed:1 (Makes sense how you have it)
Fall Speed: 1.28(Tied with , they seem to have overall similar physics)
Those are my ideas on Delphie's physics. Feel free to comment or use them, thanks.

 

[Shanoa]

I really hope Delphox would come with a DLC stage. The stage could include all the good songs in the XY OST like Lysandre's Theme, E4 Theme, Super Secret Training, Kalos Legendary Theme, and the Rival Theme. I'd love if they remixed a handful of them, the remixed themes are gdlk in this game.

The stage could be the Tower of Mastery, Cerulean Cave, or something else that'd be interesting.

Oh here are some fun facts of Delphox. Iirc, Delphox is the lightest fully evolved starter (yes, lighter than Greninja), has the highest BST of the Kalos starters, the highest special attack of any starter (before Mega Evolution), and she has the best cry of any pokemon (alright, that's just my opinion haha).

 

[TriforceOfAura]

I really hope Delphox would come with a DLC stage. The stage could include all the good songs in the XY OST like Lysandre's Theme, E4 Theme, Super Secret Training, Kalos Legendary Theme, and the Rival Theme. I'd love if they remixed a handful of them, the remixed themes are gdlk in this game.

The stage could be the Tower of Mastery, Cerulean Cave, or something else that'd be interesting.

Oh here are some fun facts of Delphox. Iirc, Delphox is the lightest fully evolved starter (yes, lighter than Greninja), has the highest BST of the Kalos starters, the highest special attack of any starter (before Mega Evolution), and she has the best cry of any pokemon (alright, that's just my opinion haha).

Tower of Mastery is a great idea for a stage. My personal favorite cry is Reshiram's or Absol's.

 

[Delzethin]

Size: 7.2/10(A lot like Mewtwo's size)
Weight: 95(Given they are two pounds different in Pokemon, it makes sense for Delphie to be one weight higher than Greninja)
Walk Speed: 1.71(Just below , just ahead of )
Run Speed: 1.49(Just ahead of , just behind )
Jump Height: 7.8/10(She isn't anywhere near Falco, who has the game's highest jumps, but she has the Mewtwo/Ness/Lucas/Yoshi jumping style.
Air Speed:1 (Makes sense how you have it)
Fall Speed: 1.28(Tied with , they seem to have overall similar physics)
Those are my ideas on Delphie's physics. Feel free to comment or use them, thanks.

Interesting. It seems like you went for a more defensive build. Walk speed is just a little behind what ours was (I think you meant 1.17, by the way), but run speed is actually on the slow side. Meanwhile, you have her as a middleweight (same weight as Robin, even) where ours has her on the border between mid-light and lightweight. How do you figure the extended double jump factors in, from a thematic standpoint?

I really hope Delphox would come with a DLC stage. The stage could include all the good songs in the XY OST like Lysandre's Theme, E4 Theme, Super Secret Training, Kalos Legendary Theme, and the Rival Theme. I'd love if they remixed a handful of them, the remixed themes are gdlk in this game.

The stage could be the Tower of Mastery, Cerulean Cave, or something else that'd be interesting.

I remember back in the winter I wondered if we might get a Cerulean Cave stage to go along with Mewtwo. Turns out new stages may only be for special circumstances...or perhaps every newcomer will have one. Who knows?

A stage based on the Tower of Mastery would be cool, though. What would its setup be like? Any effects mid-battle?

Even though we could of had two fire pokemon I would've been more hyped for Delphox as the gen 6 rep in smash 4 than Geninja. As much as I like frog characters in video games I really dislike Greninja's playstyle and design. I just don't like him.

A mage fox that's a fire/psychic sounds pretty neat. It would be great to have more magic like fighters in Smash. I also liked Delphox's design, and the previous evolutions, since they were revealed.

I really appreciate that extreme ear fluff.

Another supporter! It seems like our ranks keep growing every day.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

Interesting. It seems like you went for a more defensive build. Walk speed is just a little behind what ours was (I think you meant 1.17, by the way), but run speed is actually on the slow side. Meanwhile, you have her as a middleweight (same weight as Robin, even) where ours has her on the border between mid-light and lightweight. How do you figure the extended double jump factors in, from a thematic standpoint?


I remember back in the winter I wondered if we might get a Cerulean Cave stage to go along with Mewtwo. Turns out new stages may only be for special circumstances...or perhaps every newcomer will have one. Who knows?

A stage based on the Tower of Mastery would be cool, though. What would its setup be like? Any effects mid-battle?


Another supporter! It seems like our ranks keep growing every day.

I'm not sure about a thematic point, but it seems the psychic-enabled characters(Characterized by the recent Conquest, which grouped Mewtwo, Ness, and Lucas, all three psychic-power characters) having a floaty second jump, and I guess it kinda fits for Delphox. Also, I think I may have found a way of garnering support for Delphox: I posted a picture on ifunny asking for help and support, and directed them here. I hope that'll help.

 

[Delzethin]

I had a feeling it had to do with psychic powers. It's an interesting possibility.

Speaking of you drumming up support elsewhere online, are there any prominent Youtube figures doing Pokémon LPs at the moment? Since most of our support would come from people who are aware that Delphox exists, it's at least worth looking into.

 

[Shanoa]

I thought we were getting a Cerulean Cave too, mostly due to the fact that Mewtwo was taking about 6 months to be released. Lucas' release date also had me confused because he pretty much looked complete and it shouldn't take 2 months to tweak and balance him. I didn't realise that they are working on the next dlc at the same time.

For the Tower of Mastery, I'm biased towards a Prism Tower-like tour of the tower because then it could be tournament legal lol. But I think a side scrolling stage (like that one DK stage in Brawl that I forgot the name of, but much slower and with a diagonal scroll up the spiral staircase) would probably be the most logical design. As you go up the stairs, there could be platforms, hazards, and traps. When you reach the top, you can fight on the balcony and then it will loop back to the entrance on the beach in Shalour City.

I like the idea of the Tower of Mastery being a stage, but I'd really like for it to be tournament legal while staying true to it's design.

Another stage idea I just thought of is the Super Training Arena. But we kind of already have a stage like that, being Pokemon Stadium 2. :/

 

[Delzethin]

Or what about a stage based on a route? We haven't had one of those before.

Plus, it'd mean we might get a remix (or even the regular version) of this:

 

[TriforceOfAura]

Or what about a stage based on a route? We haven't had one of those before.

Plus, it'd mean we might get a remix (or even the regular version) of this:

Hmmm... It's worth a thought. Though, generally, the Pokemon stages have been buildings or cities. If there are some I would like to see, it would be Bell Tower(HeartGold/SoulSilver), Hoenn Pokemon League(AlphaSapphire/OmegaRuby), Fullmoon Island(Diamond/Pearl/Platinum), starring Cressalia and Darkrai, Axle Town(Pokemon Rumble Blast), Temporal Tower(Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky), or Dragonspiral Tower(Black/White/Black 2/White 2). Those are just my ideas.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I feel like addressing something I haven't seen any of us address. Say Delphox makes it into Smash, all our dreams come true, yeah, yeah... but. What would Delphie's Final Smash be? I haven't seen any of us give this thought any thought whatsoever. Any ideas, anyone? I'm not sure of many myself, I'm still thinking... *thinks*

Blast Burn? None of the Pokemon featured in Smash have a Hyper Beam-esque Final Smash anyway. Since Delphox has no MeVos either, it's perfect to justify a different ultimate attack that doesn't involve a magical rock.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

Blast Burn? None of the Pokemon featured in Smash have a Hyper Beam-esque Final Smash anyway. Since Delphox has no MeVos either, it's perfect to justify a different ultimate attack that doesn't involve a magical rock.

Ah. Not sure. It could be, I'll discuss it with Delzethin.

 

[Delzethin]

The only problem with Blast Burn is...the name is taken. They're using it for one of Charizard's Flare Blitz variants. It'd be kind of hard to have it show up a second time, and in as prominent a place as a Final Smash.

 

[TriforceOfAura]

We could have one based on the move Sacred Fire. I know Delphox can't learn it, but it's still an amazing move.

 

[LIQUID12A]

The only problem with Blast Burn is...the name is taken.

Let's consider that two characters with the same name are in the roster with no problems and that Mario!Roy's inclusion was seen as a roadblock to FE!Roy's return. A move sharing the same name is hardly an issue in comparison.

 

[Delzethin]

Let's consider that two characters with the same name are in the roster with no problems and that Mario!Roy's inclusion was seen as a roadblock to FE!Roy's return. A move sharing the same name is hardly an issue in comparison.

Hm. You have a point there. I wonder if they'd be willing to do that with two attacks that function very differently.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I wonder if they'd be willing to do that with two attacks that function very differently.

-lingering fire projectile
-fire projectile that explodes on contact

Both are named PK Fire. Sure, clones, but still.

Hell, PK Freeze too since it's mechanics for Ness(and on top of that as a custom) are akin to PK Flash and not Lucas' own PKF.

Again, what's the issue for Delphox-Charizard, besides one being a custom move and the other being a hypothetical Final Smash?

 

[TriforceOfAura]

Eh, I personally am against dual-named moves. It's not an ungodly sin, but my personal preference is on differently named moves.

 

[Delzethin]

I have to admit, I'm surprised by the total lack of new Pokkén news so far. Is there really nothing new in the base version? Are there really only eight characters for now?

I mean, I wasn't expecting anything Delphox-related, but it wasn't out of the question. But there being nothing new is strange...

 

[TriforceOfAura]

I have to admit, I'm surprised by the total lack of new Pokkén news so far. Is there really nothing new in the base version? Are there really only eight characters for now?

I mean, I wasn't expecting anything Delphox-related, but it wasn't out of the question. But there being nothing new is strange...

I'm gonna head over to Serebii and see if I can get the scoop on all things Pokken soon. They have all the latest news, so if anything we has been announced, Serebii has it.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Here's something me and Delzethin were working on.

 

[Delzethin]

Any of our regulars who are active elsewhere on the character boards: Have you heard of Rate Their Chances? They analyze various DLC candidates and other content as they're nominated, rating them in how likely people think they are and how much they'd want them in Smash.

Tonight we're discussing Delphox.

If anyone feels like they have an opinion to provide, go ahead and join in. Just be sure to be honest about your ratings. Skewing the Chance results would only make us look bad, but enough presence in the thread could help us gain some new supporters.

 

[DelphoxFan97]

Any of our regulars who are active elsewhere on the character boards: Have you heard of Rate Their Chances? They analyze various DLC candidates and other content as they're nominated, rating them in how likely people think they are and how much they'd want them in Smash.

Tonight we're discussing Delphox.

If anyone feels like they have an opinion to provide, go ahead and join in. Just be sure to be honest about your ratings. Skewing the Chance results would only make us look bad, but enough presence in the thread could help us gain some new supporters.

I checked it out, and it got me really worried again. Delphox could be in trouble.

 

[nonbinarysmasher]

About specials moves having the same names
whats with Marth/Lucina and Roy final smashes?
same name but not same attacks