FL Social Thread:You Mad, You Lose.

[OverLade]

This has nothing to do with your playstyle this has to do entirely with your personality...

David, Eric, the reality is, you guys aren't used to people being real with you because you're top players in the Smash community, so you have a "right" to be a **** to people etc.

I didn't say what Seibrik did wasn't okay in Minks perspective, this is something Seibrik does all the time.

"PM me with the details" - because it's convenient for me and makes you work

"Text me the information" - because it's convenient for me and makes you work

"Click to become a top player"- because it's convenient for me and makes you work

You're not understanding that it's generally not respectful at all. There's a difference between something you do once or occasionally and something you do because you feel you're entitled to it. I'm obviously not the only one who gets this vibe but I'm the only one with enough balls to bring it up.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

asside from the mink situation, the other things are usually dealing with me helping others...

so i dont see how u can derrive me being a **** from that


me asking people to PM me about housing stuff is the same as me asking people to text me about housing stuff, its just so i cn keep things organized and remember whats going on days later, imo its easier for everyone involved, i'm just using the email system we have available to us, i'm not gona go out of my way to call orlando, IM random scrubs who i think need help in the game, if someone ever needs anything from me, they can come to me to get it, and i'm never a **** to anyone in need of help in any fassion.

i asked mink to text me cuz i kno he'd be interested in hanging out and if he has a problem with what i asked for whatever reason he can say something, and then i guess i'd have something to appoligize for, but at the moment i have heard no issues from anyone about any of this except coming from you at the present time...

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I'm not even gonna bother arguing. Have fun Seibrik.

@Tommy Loooool

 

[Xaltis]

asside from the mink situation, the other things are usually dealing with me helping others...

so i dont see how u can derrive me being a **** from that


me asking people to PM me about housing stuff is the same as me asking people to text me about housing stuff, its just so i cn keep things organized and remember whats going on days later, imo its easier for everyone involved, i'm just using the email system we have available to us, i'm not gona go out of my way to call orlando, IM random scrubs who i think need help in the game, if someone ever needs anything from me, they can come to me to get it, and i'm never a **** to anyone in need of help in any fassion.

i asked mink to text me cuz i kno he'd be interested in hanging out and if he has a problem with what i asked for whatever reason he can say something, and then i guess i'd have something to appoligize for, but at the moment i have heard no issues from anyone about any of this except coming from you at the present time...

I think it's been talked about, maybe not to you directly though...

 

[Master Raven]

 

[Poltergust]

You might want to take a look at that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyxVRTCVjVo&feature=player_embedded

Not too expensive and I've been hearing positive things about it so far.

That's cool and all, but I have MvC3 for the PS3. Apparently, that's only available for the 360. =|

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

I think it's been talked about, maybe not to you directly though...

well thats a problem then and nothing i can get blamed for, if no one brings it up to me how am i supposed to fix any problem there could potentially be??

 

[Xaltis]

well thats a problem then and nothing i can get blamed for, if no one brings it up to me how am i supposed to fix any problem there could potentially be??

I just don't anyone to start fighting.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

@xaltis: we're not talking about fighting, we're talking about helping people imrpove as humans lol

like one thing i want to emphasize from halz post:

i do not want, under any circumstance, for anyone not to call me out on something they feel is important simply because i'm good at smash lol

 

[Xaltis]

Except what you don't see is that Seibrik also does favors for other people all the time. I don't know about other people but he's done tons of things for me like helped me a lot with smash, paid for me to enter May ZP, offered to let me stay with him for a while, and lots of other stuff (I only even named stuff from the last month rofl). So if he asks me a favor of course it's not gonna be unreasonable and I'll try to do it. Maybe you just don't know all the circumstances, friends do favors for eachother all the time.

@xaltis: we're not talking about fighting, we're talking about helping people imrpove as humans lol

Even I didn't think about that Masky. And Seibrik I know I still don't want anyone fighting.

 

[Exdeath]

Seibrik, please believe me when I say that you have violated many social norms and created ire toward yourself from many players -- myself included. Red Halberd was using your contextual speech to help you understand your own intent (I have a new kind of respect for Halberd for paying attention to speech that way).

The reason that I haven't personally brought my beefs up with you isn't because I don't have the balls to do so, however, is because I generally will do two things when I have a beef with someone: I will tell it to their face if I feel that there will actually be a benefit (e.g. someone changing from me talking to them, hence the phrase "Thorns from friends can heal."), and then just trying to forgive them and deal with it (I usually skip straight to this over small things like someone shutting a door in my face). In your case I feel that all it would do is create unnecessary friction between you and me.

It's exceptional that Red Halberd is bringing it to your attention instead of just *****ing about you to friends and then still socially punishing you according to your crime, like most people do. It should have just been brought to a PM though, IMO.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

or a text that he thinks is so much more useful, considering he has the power to do so as well.


also, wats "IRE"??

 

[NickRiddle]

or a text that he thinks is so much more useful, considering he has the power to do so as well.


also, wats "IRE"??

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define:+ire

 

[Master Raven]

Ok seriously though,

I personally don't see a problem with Seibrik asking Mink to text him for info. If Mink has a problem with it like Seibrik said, he can bring it up himself.

Lade, I (platonically) love you as much as the next guy here but I think you're jumping to conclusions about Seibrik's character without understanding where he's coming from. I should know, because I used to be paranoid (not saying you are, I'm just illustrating how I feel myself) and make assumptions about the things people would say to me in any conversation I've had with them, mainly because I felt I may have said or done the wrong thing and thus thought they'd hold a negative view towards me from those actions, but I've learned better since then (and for those of you who know me personally, it's one of the reasons I tend to be a very quiet guy). It's something I still struggle with, but at this point I'm not going to apologize for most of my actions unless that very person brings it up to me, and at that point I'll apologize.

So once again, I personally didn't see what was wrong with Seibrik's post, and if Mink thinks it's rude, then that's between him and Seibrik. One person's kind words is another's venomous tongue.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

justin that site is amazing lol

 

[Xaltis]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define:+ire

Alright that was the best Justin.

 

[OverLade]

I think it's been talked about, maybe not to you directly though...

Respect to Taylor for honesty.

well thats a problem then and nothing i can get blamed for, if no one brings it up to me how am i supposed to fix any problem there could potentially be??

@xaltis: we're not talking about fighting, we're talking about helping people imrpove as humans lol

like one thing i want to emphasize from halz post:

i do not want, under any circumstance, for anyone not to call me out on something they feel is important simply because i'm good at smash lol

Unfortunately it's not as simple as that. It's like Mike Tyson walking into a childrens hospital and saying "Under no circumstances anyone feel intimidated by me or be afraid to share their intimate feelings because I'm here for all of you". People aren't machines they have feelings and apprehensions...

There's a reason problems don't go away because people are afraid to talk about them. I'm more secure with myself than just about everyone in the Smash community, so I could really care less how people respond to my opinions.

Except what you don't see is that Seibrik also does favors for other people all the time. I don't know about other people but he's done tons of things for me like helped me a lot with smash, paid for me to enter May ZP, offered to let me stay with him for a while, and lots of other stuff (I only even named stuff from the last month rofl). So if he asks me a favor of course it's not gonna be unreasonable and I'll try to do it. Maybe you just don't know all the circumstances, friends do favors for eachother all the time.

Doing things for people is unrelated to being courteous to people. My father has an issue with understanding how to emotionally express his love towards me and my brother. So when we were kids, he expressed when he was proud of us/happy with us by buying us video games. I understand that it's likely David has a similar problem of not understanding this component of gratification but it's important in personal and nonpersonal relationships.

Seibrik, please believe me when I say that you have violated many social norms and created ire toward yourself from many players -- myself included. Red Halberd was using your contextual speech to help you understand your own intent (I have a new kind of respect for Halberd for paying attention to speech like that).

The reason that I haven't personally brought my beefs up with you isn't because I don't have the balls to do so, however, is because I generally will do two things when I have a beef with someone: I will tell it to their face if I feel that there will actually be a benefit (e.g. someone changing from me talking to them, hence the phrase "Thorns from friends can heal."), and then just trying to forgive them and deal with it (I usually skip straight to this over small things like someone shutting a door in my face). In your case I feel that all it would do is create unnecessary friction between you and me.

It's exceptional that Red Halberd is bringing it to your attention instead of just *****ing about you to friends and then still socially punishing you according to your crime, like most people do. It should have just been brought to a PM though, IMO.

Appreciate it X and thanks for backing me up!

asside from the mink situation, the other things are usually dealing with me helping others...

so i dont see how u can derrive me being a **** from that


me asking people to PM me about housing stuff is the same as me asking people to text me about housing stuff, its just so i cn keep things organized and remember whats going on days later, imo its easier for everyone involved, i'm just using the email system we have available to us, i'm not gona go out of my way to call orlando, IM random scrubs who i think need help in the game, if someone ever needs anything from me, they can come to me to get it, and i'm never a **** to anyone in need of help in any fassion.

i asked mink to text me cuz i kno he'd be interested in hanging out and if he has a problem with what i asked for whatever reason he can say something, and then i guess i'd have something to appoligize for, but at the moment i have heard no issues from anyone about any of this except coming from you at the present time...

There's a difference between helping others and being respectful to others. You can help discipline your child by beating them with a stick, or by sitting down and talking. You can give someone advice by yelling at them, or by sitting down and talking with them.

I'm calling you out in a way that you find disrespectful but the reality is that you wouldn't believe me or understand unless I posted it out in the open where others could corroborate my opinion. There's definitely nobody in FL who's never had a conversation about your attitude David. Naturally a lot of people condone little things they don't like in people in order to maintain positive relationships. There are people in Tampa who get on my nerves all the time. I ignore peoples flaws because I want good overarching relationships, but I honestly have no reason to do the same for you, which you should be happy for, since someone is willing to be honest. Don't consider it hostility, I'm just blunt. 100% Realness policy.

 

[OverLade]

And Raven I don't mean to judge you either, but for people with Unique relationships with Seibrik it's not hard to understand why you don't see any of these aspects of his character. For anyone who's not a top player or doesn't live in SFL, it's definitely not a surprising statement. Ask anyone in Orlando, and I'm not saying they all have a problem with him, I'm saying they understand where I'm coming from.

 

[Master Raven]

I don't think Seibrik has no ****ish qualities, rather, I think each and every single one of us have something ****ish that each of us don't like. It's something I've learned to practically take for granted, which is probably why I'm not really hard on most people and defending Seibrik in this case. Is my friendship with him affecting my stance? Maybe so, but maybe I'd do the same for you if I hung out with you IRL as much as with Seibrik. Or not. I don't know.

You don't know how many times I've had bad impressions on someone because I initially thought they were a ****, only to get to know them more and suddenly take a liking for them. This is not directed at you, Lade, but a description of how I tend to be, because I want you to understand where I'm personally coming from on this issue. It has certainly applied to certain people I know in SFL. You have your own views on Seibrik's attitude and I'll respect that, so long as they aren't overly negative (e.g. because he's a Jew).

At the risk of contradicting myself, though, I don't really want to take sides here. I like you both and I always prefer having a dialog rather than an argument.

 

[Two-Ell]

I honestly have never been bothered or annoyed at the way David speaks to me. I'm going to have to follow Eric's comment a page or two back. Could he have asked Mink in a better way? uh I guess lol, but I didn't really feel like he was being rude asking the way he did though.

You can call SFL/friendship bias for my case if you want, or maybe I guess it's because I'm just very accepting to the way people are and find it harder to notice his negativities.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Um.
Seibrik, i'll text you because it'd be nice to hangout with you again. I feel like we're basically the same person.
But we can exchange guitar for smash. Haha.

Regardless, everyone come to the concert!

/ignores everything that happened due to a concert invite.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Hey Masky.

I like you :3

 

[NickRiddle]

Huzzah!

I'm a **** in the Smash community because I don't care.
If you can deal with it, you become my friend.
If you can't deal with it, I probably don't like you anyway.
I don't base my social life around the game I play.


if only my non-Smash friends didn't like... all move away.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Basically.
:3

Everyones invited!
And to hangout with me. Cause i like friends.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Basically.
:3

Everyones invited!
And to hangout with me. Cause i like friends.

Becuase

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I approve of that post :3

Also cause i always feel like everyones mad at me
I'm really paranoid.

And with the exception of Renki i live like 40 minutes from everyone in CFL.
And all my best friends are back in Ft Myers, Gville or Tally lol

 

[Master Raven]

I have plenty of non-Smasher buddies who live in Miami and Broward, and two of them (who are a married couple) majoring in psychotherapy. I've had really good discussions with them about socializing, and have learned a great deal from not only talking with them about it, but also from my own personal meditations on how I interact with others over the years.

Here's something I'd like my friends to know about me (and I think it makes sense to bring it up in light of this recent discussion): I've been diagnosed with asperger's syndrome since I was 13. That plays a major role in why I may come off as incredibly awkward and shy IRL. I remember the first time Seibrik came to my house and I don't think I spoke more than two hands-worth of words. When it was time for him to leave, I actually apologized to him for being so quiet LOL, and at one point I was going to say something but I literally just stuttered into nonsensical babble. I still occasionally do that, but not as much as I used to. I think that, with the knowledge I have from my own social issues over the years, I can (or at least would like to) help people who have similar problems. And trust me, for how weird I may come across IRL, I love hanging out and talking with you guys regardless.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I understand Raven, my little brother has Aspergers as well.

I have Bipolar Disorder and extreme anxiety problems, which isn't the same socially, but i know what it's like to have a handicap. In person i'm really social, maybe overly social. But i get really anxious when any tournaments come, if i'm making a trip, anything like that or anything happens.

I really hope that didn't sound like i was one-upping you. I'm letting you know that i understand what it's like, and it's really respectable that you can go out and say that. You're a mad cool guy man.

 

[Master Raven]

Hey, I didn't think you were one-upping me at all lol. You're a cool guy too. Thanks for the compliment.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

No problem man.
Like i said, i'm paranoid lol.

I just LOL'ed really hard at your location.
Hahahahahahahah

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

moral of the story

redhalberd sucks





annnnd, i've definately gotten earfuls of problems with my personality before from afro/mvd/chaz (ironically all people i've long-term teamed with)

and i always take what they say into consideration and grow as a person because of it. its one of the reasons i love the community, i've prolly grown more due to this community then my own parents.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

We're defintely going to that concert, we should bring everyone on here to go. That way we can all enjoy a big music festival with awesome Mink and get hype all day long!

I agree with all of that.
Also, i know how you feel because i have grown alot as a person through the people i've met too, and i've made great friends. I mean, i slept at Gallax's house for like, 3 months 3 days a week. And he never even knew me before then. Its crazy. And then David, hookin' me up with a place to sleep and helping me with my ticket.

no one besides you guys would do that, and you're all awesome...

and yeah Seibrik, we should bring EVERYONE to mayhem.

 

[DJ Arcatek]

I'm a cool guy. I don't think anyone should have a problem with the way I act towards them

 

[DewDaDash]

Lade, I understand how you feel but initially I got the same vibe from you. After this tournament, I understand you a lot better and think you acted the way you did to keep me in check when i reevaluate the situation because honestly I think i get too carried away on the boards every now and then. At first I was annoyed because when i tried to play you, you acted like I wasn't worth your time or something and always refused, I even got this vibe from hrnut when I first met him, which hes prolly not aware, although now I realize hes like the most chill guy in the smash community. I am more satisfied this time around since this time you were willing to play me and help me out without me even having to ask you to play.

I do however understand what you're saying about esam and seibrik though. I've known esam for awhile, but i remember at like yasumicon?, i played him for the 1st time in brawl and for the 1st time i saw him in years. Before I played him and was chatting with him at lunch at the buffet there, he said something along the lines of, I'm sure you guys are good, but I practice with seibrik all the time, therefore I will wreck your ddd. No1 wants to hear arrogance like that.

 

[izzy24]

ok guys...

Mink, are you going to WARPED TOUR?, ive never 8een to one 8ut i want to go to this one coming up, oh and i wanted to go to mayhem last year too cause norma jean went and ive never 8een to one of their shows 8ut i couldnt go either :::: (

 

[Xaltis]

I'm a cool guy. I don't think anyone should have a problem with the way I act towards them

Especially in person. Don't change.

 

[OverLade]

Gainesville smashers don't like me for the a similar reason (they say I have bad social/friendship skills). But the reality is that even if they don't see it, I want to and do try to be a good person and be a good friend. I'm just not very good at it apparently. What I'm trying to say is that if someone does not act "properly" in some social situations it doesn't mean they're being malicious or they think they have a sense of "entitlement" or anything like that... things aren't always how they appear on the surface. I still don't know what you're talking about though with Seibrik since I don't think I'm seeing the same things you are

While I don't feel the same way about you, from hanging out with my brother I've definitely heard a lot about this. Personally I think you've been respectful to me for the most part as long as we've known each other but I have definitely seen some of what others talk about. I think Seibrik is probably trying to say the same thing that you mean, though conveying it terribly by getting defensive instead of being genuinely open about the discussion...

Huzzah!

I'm a **** in the Smash community because I don't care.
If you can deal with it, you become my friend.
If you can't deal with it, I probably don't like you anyway.
I don't base my social life around the game I play.


if only my non-Smash friends didn't like... all move away.

You're like a good spoof of a huge douchebag, not a huge douchebag

I have plenty of non-Smasher buddies who live in Miami and Broward, and two of them (who are a married couple) majoring in psychotherapy. I've had really good discussions with them about socializing, and have learned a great deal from not only talking with them about it, but also from my own personal meditations on how I interact with others over the years.

Here's something I'd like my friends to know about me (and I think it makes sense to bring it up in light of this recent discussion): I've been diagnosed with asperger's syndrome since I was 13. That plays a major role in why I may come off as incredibly awkward and shy IRL. I remember the first time Seibrik came to my house and I don't think I spoke more than two hands-worth of words. When it was time for him to leave, I actually apologized to him for being so quiet LOL, and at one point I was going to say something but I literally just stuttered into nonsensical babble. I still occasionally do that, but not as much as I used to. I think that, with the knowledge I have from my own social issues over the years, I can (or at least would like to) help people who have similar problems. And trust me, for how weird I may come across IRL, I love hanging out and talking with you guys regardless.

I had a great time talking with you. To be perfectly honest, I expected you to be a little more socially awkward lol. You were pretty eloquent. But I understand where you're coming from. Back before I joined the Smash community I definitely didn't understand a lot of social rules and norms. It's my calling center job that taught me how to regular interaction as well as I can now.

I understand Raven, my little brother has Aspergers as well.

I have Bipolar Disorder and extreme anxiety problems, which isn't the same socially, but i know what it's like to have a handicap. In person i'm really social, maybe overly social. But i get really anxious when any tournaments come, if i'm making a trip, anything like that or anything happens.

I really hope that didn't sound like i was one-upping you. I'm letting you know that i understand what it's like, and it's really respectable that you can go out and say that. You're a mad cool guy man.

Mink is a cool dude

moral of the story

redhalberd sucks





annnnd, i've definately gotten earfuls of problems with my personality before from afro/mvd/chaz (ironically all people i've long-term teamed with)

and i always take what they say into consideration and grow as a person because of it. its one of the reasons i love the community, i've prolly grown more due to this community then my own parents.

Yet you pretended that you've never heard something of the nature when I brought it up

I can respect honesty. It obviously seems like I'm attacking you but I don't see you as the kind of person who responds to friendly criticism anyway. It's fair to say I'm definitely still biased against you because of my initial impression of you when I joined the community, but I really don't forgive easy, especially when people don't seem genuine. SO I GUESS I MUST JUST BE AN ******* TOO THEN? TOUCHE' GET AT ME.