This thread makes me sad. Not for the fact there are good ideas here or anything, but I see it as wishful thinking – it doesn't change the tools we have, and distracts Mario mains from the tools we do have, limited as they are.
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You know something... your rightThis thread makes me sad. Not for the fact there are good ideas here or anything, but I see it as wishful thinking – it doesn't change the tools we have, and distracts Mario mains from the tools we do have, limited as they are.
Hate to say it bro, but if you think Mario mains (all six of them) are going to make some kind of magical breakthrough in the meta game between now and SSB4, you're the one with your head in the clouds. This is just a fun topic. I know a lot of players on smash boards don't do "fun", so if this discussion bothers you, go study brawl Mario's "tools" or whatever.This thread makes me sad. Not for the fact there are good ideas here or anything, but I see it as wishful thinking – it doesn't change the tools we have, and distracts Mario mains from the tools we do have, limited as they are.
I'm saying you're boring for generally going over the same five ideas as if it means anything. I wouldn't mind this topic if it went toward a codeset discussion or was something you wanted to actually work on that had an end result, like submitting to some Brawl mod. I'm bothered due to uselessness, not some misplaced faith that Mario could still be good. He's not.Hate to say it bro, but if you think Mario mains (all six of them) are going to make some kind of magical breakthrough in the meta game between now and SSB4, you're the one with your head in the clouds. This is just a fun topic. I know a lot of players on smash boards don't do "fun", so if this discussion bothers you, go study brawl Mario's "tools" or whatever.
As a hart attack.HAHAHAHA
...oh, wait u serius?
OMG that would be so neat! !!i was thinking about how to improve/change brawl and i thought about making different costumes for mario, kind of like how they have different ones for wario, specifically have a dr mario costume
i also like the idea of using FLUDD for recovery and also for a dash attack
Do you play on wifi? we should play minus someday. =)Wow, so uh...played Brawl- for the first time since like...I can't remember. The metal cap taunt is absolutely devastating. I'm convinced that temporary power ups are the way to go. There's this kind of cat and mouse game between Mario and his opponent in which they try to pressure Mario to keep the cap off, but once it's on, the tables are turned because he completely WRECKS. Very cool.
For a real smash bros game, metal cap might be a bit extreme (then again with crap like MK maybe not). What powers do you think best represents Mario? Super Leaf? Hammer Bros Suit?
This thread exists because Mario, while a fun character to play, has problems. This thread is not exactly "wishful thinking", or people "arguing and moaning" about Mario being bad. This is just a thread about ideas that people think would make Mario better. Different people have different reasons for posting in this thread.
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. If you aren't focusing on all the strengths, there's a good chance that you're dwelling on the weaknesses. No character is a totally a "great" one if you don't believe they can succeed. I know you have your experience with Mario, but the belief that he's "bad" is exactly the kind of thing that holds characters back. Why exactly? Because it turns an opinion into a more falseified, generalized perception. People are free to decide whoever they want to play, but when they see or frequently hear how "bad" a character is, they will steer clear of said character and probably lean towards oh, you know.....pfffft, Meta Knight. The less representatives of your character, the more they're not going to rise. No attendence=No Results= No tier list rising, although the tier list is actually the problem, because it's essentially what broadcasts the generalized perception.Wow. You've somehow managed to completely motivate me into thinking Mario is a great character! Oh wait... no... no you didn't.
Mario being balanced is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. You're mostly right about him not having any overwhelming weaknesses... except for his inability to kill a smart opponent until 180% in the matchups that matter.
But I can look past that overwhelming weakness. I did, for 6 years, competitively. I looked into expanding my knowledge of Mario every single day. Played every single day. Researched matchups every single day. Discovered new things about the character... every single day. Found new things about the character to abuse and make "unwinnable" matchups certainly winnable.
Mario has strengths, but that does not, by any means, make him a good character.
You kind've caught me in a bad mood, so I'll go ahead and apologize in advance for the tone of this post, but your post is seriously disrespectful to the people who have had the very same mindset, like I did, and it implies that all the work we did "wasn't enough", just because you personally believe that Mario is good? Spoiler alert: he's not. Playing Mario will always mean putting more work into the game and being marginally better than opponents to win (in certain matchups) in comparison to playing a better character. And that's what makes him "bad". Arguing that no "bad" characters exist is silly and just arguing semantics.
I'm not saying Mario doesn't have a place. But that place isn't winning tournaments. To this day I think he's more than capable in various high tier matchups (ICs, Diddy, Olimar, Pikachu, and a few more), and can hold his own with pretty much every mid tier when played properly, but the effort required isn't worth the meager placings you're going to get going solely Mario.
I'd like to note that not one time in my career did I attribute my losses to Mario's "badness", nobody who was actually playing this character was crying about how "bad" he was unless they were just trying to get attention.
tl;dr: Stop arguing semantics, Mario is bad. Plenty of people have done everything you've mentioned in your post.