Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Xivii]

Zen: *making 1602*

Random kid sitting next to Zen at the library: "That's such bad forum mafia."

Zen: "What O_O?

O_o"

Kid: "Nich-ohlas is obv scum"

Zen: "O_o"

Kid: "Claiming roleblocked on that role"





Zen: "O_o"

 

[Nicholas1024]

I'm not sure. I might, but I'm thinking of waiting a night to see if it's an abductor. I don't think my ability would work in that case.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Zen claimed didn't make sense to me and was extremely dangerous the way he was playing it.

He tried passing himself off as some kind of pseudo cop which in reality could have very well endangered other PR roles town had.

After his play didn't make sense so I went with a lynch and said screw it. I have a stronger town read on OS's play over Zen's, as explained before, X1 saying his not follow up stuff wasn't scummy.

And I'm sorry to here that X1, :<...I didn't mean to piss you off like that, I'm just trying to play the game and following up on what I'm reading on people and investigating.

 

[ranmaru]

Rajam and Cdubs, thoughts?

 

[Rajam]

You were trying to draw a NKill knowing that your role does absolutely nothing to someone that kills you, because all they could do is say "I can't vote" since you didn't post anything. Or just not vote. No one would be wise to it because... why would we?

Zen is NKilled
Flips stunner
Someone says "guys I can't vote", or we see someone isn't (can't) vote
-> obv scum

 

[Xivii]

Hm Ran don't forget the Luxor reasoning.

Intervals of confidence meaning, you play all nice and victimish and then make random attacks that just seem out of place. Your reasoning for your reads make me feel better about you a bit. But where did you see x1 say that?

 

[ranmaru]

Newb 10. He talked about a bus that he planned in Bioware. So I assumed a hard bus would be possible, if planned.

Then it seemed OS didn't want X1 dead today either. Why?

And I will bring up the Luxor reasoning. His reasons are very baseless, and he has been following you quiet blindly. (And others I guess)

I'll get his Glyph case.

 

[Cdubs1987]

..............................................

lynch OS!!!

So Zen is town

I've heard of stunner before

I may be confused, but In the past, FF has told me about the stunner. I believe it was a xivii set up. I believe it was the first time he had seen it. I thought, though I may be remembering poorly, that OS was in that set up.

Os refers to this role as voteblocker in #1641

Most townie role ever, amirite?

(this is commonly called a vote blocker, btw, at least on smashboards)

OS knows these are very different things.

Allow me to agree with OS on at least one point however. Zen's plan was super full of holes. I'm curious as to who was role blocked if not him (assuming there is a roleblocker in this game". But, Zen's idea seemed almost clever. The "I'll see who targets me and night and grill the **** out of them" plan is awesome, except

1. BREADCRUMB WAY TO VAGUE!!! I don't think anyone is capable of picking out this role from what you said. If you got NK'd, we learn nothing.

2. So lets say 1 person targets you. What if that person is doctor? So what then. What the **** happens. You "OMG CLAIM NOW YOU TARGETED ME". No great way to separate scum from non scum, especially since if scum NK's you, again we learn nothing

3. What if there was a vote blocker in the game. Some one comes up vote blocked. And you say "OMG YOU TARGETED ME WHAT ARE YOU", well wouldn't your face be red later.

Conclusion. A. ZEN'S PLAN WAS AWFUL B. zen is town. This does not sound like a scum plan. This feels like the worst scum story ever. OS should be able to see this.

FF, please try and post before twilight

So what we have here, is OS leading the blind. Rage at things. OS reeks of scum. I don't think he would honestly conclude that ZEN is scum from this claim. I think OS is scum taking advantage of 3 things
1. Zen did some really really dumb things that allow one to justify pushing for his lynch
2. Most people in this town do not seem as capable as him. It seems like most other players are taking what OS says at face value because they have gotten some town read on him because it looks like he is scum hunting. After the "oh, OS is scumhunting" light has turned on, it looks like people are pre-reading his posts, assuming he is town.
3. Half of the people on the OS wagon are foaming at the mouth. Perhaps people are thinking "OMG those people are idiots and clearly this is not the right play". Just to clarify, this line of logic is AWFUL. Many a time I have seen an idiot or two scare people away from the right wagon
I don't understand why people seem to be ignoring what he has done. I think some players are really not paying attention to my posts (RYU I am looking at you).

Zen WILL come up town. OS is scum. I cannot stress this enough. I really hope FF posts before twilight ends.

ZEN and GLG. Please talk about who on your wagons looked scummiest to you. I know that typically the people being wagaoned have the best reads on their wagoners.

 

[Cdubs1987]

oh, EBWOP at opening sentence

LYNCH OS TOMORROW*

 

[Rajam]

wow just noticed Zen got lynched... Did you actually thought his claim was fake RR? Fakeclaiming that kind of ability is really dangerous if some town used soemthing on Zen N1; that would ruin him... That ability has to be true; do you think zen could be scum with that same ability?

 

[Rajam]

I'm replacing out of this game after one final post tomorrow where I will show you who the scum are. Tbh town have probably already lost by not lynching OS toDay because theres no-one left who can play without being blinded by the fact he can use long words. Town are too ******** to lynch OS and instead lynch the amazingly useful and easily provable PR.

If you're wondering why I am replacing its cause this Day has been hell but i tried to battle through and with Zen now dead there is no way I will ever be able to enjoy this game. Sorry Xiivi.

Don't know how you didn't see it coming everyone would be attacking you due to your playstyle. Don't use it again or learn to deal with different anti-X1 playstyles

 

[Xivii]

Beat what are your thoughts on Ryu? Include reasoning, not just town or scum. Also beat, was there a time that that you disliked OS or have you always felt he was town? The connect between you two is interesting.

X1 don't replace out >.>

Lux...uh... where have you been? You've just been so invisible today... I don't remember why I thought you were town. Can you comment on some stuff before the day end?

Nabe needs to post as well.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Zen, what wagon jumpers look scummy to you and why?

 

[Xivii]

@cdubs: I would think that someone would be competent enough to search the word "stun" after I had flipped. It would take them to that post where I explain that voting should be looked at. And hopefully it would have been picked up once it was found that someone couldn't vote. I also wasn't sure if it was a known role or not. Apparantly you, Frozen, and OS would have known about it so it wouldn't have been a problem anyway.

 

[Xivii]

Will give reads before twilight is over.

 

[Xivii]

Dubs did you know I was lynched in your 1688?

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ zen, yes I did know you were lynched in my 1688. I EBWOP'd after to say "lynch OS tomorrow"

 

[ranmaru]

This is Luxor's #334.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12025383&postcount=334

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I can give you what I've found about Glyph now, since I wrote that up earlier . I have a free now so I'll try to dig up Rajam and Adum's pasts now too. Without further ado...

The Case Against Glyph:



As with BoiledGoose (me/Kuz hydra in SC), pretending to be the mafia early on may actually mean you're the mafia.



Well Glyph, you haven't been posting excessively, but by golly, it sure is nice to know you're there and contributing. No me gusta.



Followed by



Unless I'm misinterpreting what's going on here, Glyph goes from seeing no case against Gord/GLG to wanting to pressure him hard. I get the sense that Glyph was trying to capitalize on the moment of weakness caused by the sub. While the case was meh and the player was actively defending himself he stays out of it, but when he's vulnerable Glyph decides to attack. Scummy IMO.


Was Beatstick being very consistent? No. Was Beatstick outright lying about his talents? It's always a possibility, but for the moment I'm assuming no. This seems like a weak reason to vote, but more interesting is the last sentence. "I'll feel safe with my vote on you." I don't like that at all. As scum, what is not your penultimate goal to vote innocent townies out without being suspected for it? Safety is of paramount importance to scum, their top priority. Town not so much. Freudian slips ftw, amirite?


Because of all these things, I would feel "safe" with my vote on Glyph. If I find Rajam, Adum, and maybe Vult Redux less scummy than this, you can bet Glyph will have another vote next to his name in a few hours.

It's interesting how Luxor missed Nabe's post voting Gord, which was right above Glyph's. Both were without reason, pure wagon hopping for the sake of it. Of course the wincon for scum isn't being safe, but to outlive others. Wincon for town is to eliminate scum, which seems like he was scumhunting by voting. Even though he was lacking reason. Much of it.

Also Luxor states how he doesn't like Glyphs inactivity. It's true, he didn't post that much at all.

 

[ranmaru]

No thoughts from Raziek?

 

[Raziek]

I kinda missed everything as the result of a midterm. I got back just in time to see **** hit the fan.

I would have unvoted, but Ryu had already hammered.

I believed the claim, but as everyone else had already pointed out, he didn't exactly use it spectacularly, and I can't really see it helping town all that much.

Oddly enough, I almost chose Zen instead of Overswarm to whisper on Night 1.

 

[Raziek]

As for my thoughts on Overswarm..... he definitely needs to be looked at, however this is obviously pending Zen's flip.

He made a hard push right after the claim, and though it exposed that Zen's plan was full of holes, it felt like urging a lynch before anything else could happen.

 

[ranmaru]

Do you think Glyph is mafia, or could he be indy too? Do you think,your case against Glyph is strong enough to start a wagon? If Glyph is scum, who are potential scumbuddies? If Glyph is town, who would be your #1 FoS?

I'd also really like to see thoughts on adum. Will post my own later.

this is Beat's question to Luxor.

Too early to say. Reiterating this from earlier, 16 man game has 3-4 maf and 1-2 indies, yeah? I'm not too sure on my numberses.
I'd like to see Glyph try to explain away what I've said before I jump on him, same as with Vult. They could very well be scumbuddies, but with Raz, FF, Adum, and Rajam all on the suspect list I can't say for sure. If Glyph were to be lynched and flipped town, I don't think we'd get anything from it at all. FoS would naturally lead to other people on my scumlist.

@Vult Redux and Glyph: Explain... things. kthxbai

This is Luxor's response. So he did that case, without knowing what his alignment was. That would be a null for him then. He then proceeded to ask about the numbers in a mafia game, what would that do with Glyph's alignment, Luxor?

Only thing he says is that Glyph can be scumbuddies with Vult, who is dead townie.

He said he'd "catch up tomorrow" three days ago. Be mad.

Also FF disappointed me with more delays again.

Luxor, FF has been away alot. Why haven't you pushed on the inactivity?

 

[Xivii]

Raz what do you make of Ryu?

Rajam, what are your reads on cdubs, os, beat, x1, luxor, ryu, and nabe? The only person I really know where you stand on is Ran o.o

 

[Xivii]

Cdubs when was it that Frozen mentioned to you about the stunner role? It's odd to me that you would know OS was in the game it was used.

Kind of makes me think you and Frozen are scumbuddies, Frozen caught my crumb, and you guys speculated over the role at some point.

Like when would Frozen just tell you about the stunner role? That's some odd conversation.

 

[ranmaru]

That is interesting. And what makes it worse for them is that FF has rarely posted. (Cdubs low on posting too) I sometimes forget he is even in the game... ;-;

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ Zen. As I have previously stated, FF and I are friends IRL. I am actually familiar with the names of some players such as oS, Kirby King, Gehb, and some others that he has mentioned quite a bit. He has discussed many of his games with me, especially the roles of his games. I think I have seen your name before as well ZEN.

OS is a name that stuck out. I've heard a story about him claiming scum while he was an abductor in a lylo situation.

I have heard of the stunner from FF before, and I think I remembered OS being in the game that featured the stunner. I think there was also something called a shocker in that game, forget the role. FF and OS could clarify as to whether or not OS was in the game that featured a stunner. If so, it is another thing that makes him look bad.

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ Ranmaru, you say my posting is low. Until recently it has been, but in the last few days it has been fairly high.

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ Zen again (sorry about triple post guys). To answer your question more thoroughly, I heard about the stunner I believe about a year ago. Not sure exactly when the set up was though.

 

[ranmaru]

Yours has been better for now. But FF's has still been rare.

Where were you most of the time btw?

 

[Xivii]

Hm just seems odd that out of all the games he's seen, that would be something that he would tell you about. And that you would remember it from a year or so ago including such a detail as OS being in the game (if he was in fact in the game). Can you tell of other games he has talked to you about? And you don't happen to remember the name of the game?

 

[Cdubs1987]

Lets see, I know OS and FF were once in a 4 man scum team, I can't remember nearly as many details about players as I can about games

So once FF did IRL a pokemafia set up, which he had vaguely discussed with me about a year prior. I told the group that I was fairly certain that there were two different recruiting parties in the game. Similar logic was used, that I shouldn't be able to remember something so far back.

I also remember him discussing an mafia all star set up. Usually the names of the set ups are not what is relevant to me, but the abilities of the roles are, since that helps me think of my own roles and abilities.

So FF and I run a mafia group that meets a couple of times a week on campus. I try and do complex closed set ups when possible. Pretty much everything I have learned about them is from FF, and from the set ups he has discussed about playing on here. I discuss different styles of roles and balance with FF quite often. I remember him mentioning stunner and I believe shocker as unique roles he had not seen before. I have never used a stunner, and i haven't thought much about them recently, but after you brought it up it struck me as a familiar role that I remember hearing about.

I very well could be wrong about OS being in the set up that featured these roles (stunner and shocker), but I think I at least vaguely recall his name being mentioned when discussing that set up. FF would be able to clarify if OS was or was not in that set up.

 

[ranmaru]

Could OS/FF confirm this? Could you not dig it up?

Why do you think his name might have been mentioned when talking about the setup?

 

[X1-12]

@Rajam/RR:

I'm replacing out simply because I can't both play this game properly to my win condition and enjoy the game. Its not even a case of just not enjoying, this game actively angers me and pisses me off so I'm getting out.

 

[Beat!]

Beat what are your thoughts on Ryu? Include reasoning, not just town or scum. Also beat, was there a time that that you disliked OS or have you always felt he was town? The connect between you two is interesting.

Not sure about Red Ryu. He seem to be making pretty "safe" statements a lot of the time. He was also sort of staying in the background most of D1 (but then again, so did a lot of players). I could see him being scum if you're town.

I don't have a solid town read on OS. I didn't want either of you two lynched, but I liked his D2 play more than yours, so I voted you.
So, to answer your question, I've never really "disliked" OS to the point where I would want to lynch him, but I've never really had a town read on him either.
Deff looking at him if you're town though.

Not sure what to make of that claim.

Zen town = OS, mb Nich, mb Red Ryu
Zen scum = X1, Ran

 

[Rajam]

Raz what do you make of Ryu?

Rajam, what are your reads on cdubs, os, beat, x1, luxor, ryu, and nabe? The only person I really know where you stand on is Ran o.o

Cdubs -> slightly, slightly town
OS -> Null, scum on your town flip. Town on your scum flip
Beat -> Slightly town
X1 -> Slightly town with a disgusting play style. scum on OS town flip, town on OS scum flip
Luxor -> town
RR -> back to the scum pile if you flip town. I had him as town since the very end of Day 1 but toDay he didn't do much (...pretty much like D1 anyways)
Nabe -> Super null. Need to look him more. Pretty scummy if you flip town

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Nich -> scummy, and would rise to scum if you flip town
FF -> scummy due to lurking and inactivity in a game where everyone else is pretty active
adumb -> ? Null, but I don't remember having a town feel around him anyways
glg -> confirmed town
Raziek -> Leaning slightly to overwhelmed town, but don't want to leave him room for doing nothing like everyone else did after he claimed
Ran -> scum

 

[ranmaru]

FF where the hell are you?

Also Luxor you touched on saying that FF was inactive, yet you didn't pursue it.

 

[Rajam]

Look, we need to get a wagon going on Zen NOW. He hasn't given us anything the past few RL days, despite posting extensively in another game. (I won't mention the name, because it's still ongoing, and that would be a bad idea...) I think he's scum hiding and just hoping his case will get lost in the X1 vs Overswarm debate. Just about EVERYTHING lines up to make it sense for him to be scum. Just look at the major cases he's pushed.

Gord (weak player)
Me (lurking at the time, disliked by several people)
Ran (Quite a popular option, also fairly new)
and now he's hiding behind X1 on the Overswarm bandwagon. Despite making a show of being reckless town, nothing he's done has actually been THAT risky.

Furthermore, there have been some inconsistencies in his play, like how he said there was one scum between me/GLG (and he was sure it was me), but after GLG flipped town D1, he forgot all about his suspicion on me. As town that makes 0 sense, but as the momentum had swung drastically in my favor, it makes perfect sense for him to back down at that point as scum.

Not to mention the way he threw a fit when people were piling on him, and disappearing shortly afterwards. Yes, I grant townies do feel pressure from wagons (and occasionally lash out), and yes, I grant townies tend to be more active when under pressure, but both traits apply even more to scum, and just look at it. He was throwing a fit under only a few votes (I lashed out in one post at L-1 for comparison), and since then has uber-lurked (contrast to his super-active D1 play, when he wasn't under major suspicion.)

The pieces all fit, now let's finish the job by lynching this scum.

@Overswarm and Ran wagons
Look, your target isn't being lynched today. The major points OS and Ran are being pursued for are exhibited by Zen as well. Overswarm is being pursued for not pursuing a Cdubs-indy read he mentioned offhand in one post. Meanwhile, Zen has COMPLETELY forgotten about his biggest D1 suspicion. Ran has been attacked for lurking, and not delivering on his promised big post. Zen dropped off the face of the map when you quit pressuring him, and still hasn't returned. Come back toMorrow, and I'll pay close attention to your case. But first, let's take care of Zen.

something to look at the future on a Zen town flip (and even more if OS or Ran flips scum)

 

[Rajam]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12191464&postcount=1546

lets assume its between Zen/OS.

GLG will go to OS, so will Beat probably. Rajam is a floater like you, but at that point OS will be L-2 and Zen will be L-3, and it makes sense to go OS because it will avoid NL - Rajam has already posted his views on those who's actions which may help lead to NL. At that point Zen is still at L-3 but OS is at L-1. It then makes no sense for you to stay voting Zen when someone who you also want dead is at L-1, and the deadline is approaching.

I would have avoided voting, mostly showing my annoyance of Ranmaru again not being included in the last lynch options... still, if the risk of NL had been present, and if the lynch options were reduced to OS/Zen with unlikely chance of deadline extension, I would have supported an OS lynch just for the sake of a lynch and because I don't have a strong town feel on him. However I wouldn't have voted Zen, not even for the sake of a lynch; despite his play D2 was worse than D1 I still strongly feel he is town, and I would be surprised if he flips scum. And his claim made a lot of sense to me, and I'm surprised OS and RR had a different view on it

Anyways:
Zen town -> OS will raise like foam to scum level. scums: Ran/Nich/OS. If there is a fourth I would include, in this order: Red Ryu, Frozenflame, Nabe, adumbrodeus, Raziek

Zen scum -> Would drop my case on Ran, and my town reads on Luxor and BeatStick. Would need to reevaluate a lot

 

[Rajam]

Ehrm if Zen flips indy it would be the same for me as if he were town in terms of connections:

Zen indy -> OS will raise like foam to scum level. scums: Ran/Nich/OS. If there is a fourth I would include, in this order: Red Ryu, Frozenflame, Nabe, adumbrodeus, Raziek

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

X1, please stick around if Zen flips town so we can lynch OS.

Town, I'm not upset, but I am disappointed. Why not OS? Why not Ran even?

Ryu, bad hammer. Please post a full scum/town list like Raj. Explanations where you feel they're necessary.