Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Overswarm]

This has to be the worst thought out claim post I've ever seen. Zen should die toDay.

Very well.

I am Volke, Mercenary Stunner

Who ever I am targeted by during the night is voteblocked the next day. My plan was to draw the NK and then hopefully those smart enough would search the word "stun" for my breadcrumb on what the role does. (Not sure if this is a known role or not or ZV's. I wasn't able to find it on wiki).

Most townie role ever, amirite?

(this is commonly called a vote blocker, btw, at least on smashboards)

Whoever targets him can't vote.

This is something that seems ridiculously stupid:

I was trying to draw the NK or a roleblock n1 with this, but it just backfired. And people got too caught up on the role. I was to obvious with it d1 and I realized after posting "I can clear someone" that scum might realize what I was trying to do. But that's only if they have an experienced player, which I think they do. Scum didn't roleblock or target me last night because everyone has shown to be able to vote today. Which is why I've been concerned with who has been voting today. And why I was telling those who weren't voting that they should vote (#1396 & #1397 are examples). It is also why I was able to confirm that no one was clear after Raz voted for the first time today (#1409 & #1410).

So let me get this straight:

You openly claim to town "I can clear someone" when you can't. This is pro-town... how? Because you've repeatedly lied about abilities. Do you not realize that being forced to say "I can't clear someone" after saying you can will result in town lynching you? Do you not realize that if someone targetted you and couldn't vote and scum found out after your claim, you've just outed several power roles?

No one is that dumb.

You were trying to draw a NKill knowing that your role does absolutely nothing to someone that kills you, because all they could do is say "I can't vote" since you didn't post anything. Or just not vote. No one would be wise to it because... why would we?

Furthermore, you were acting incredibly scummy, toDay especially. Hell, even your reasoning doesn't make sense! Did you not assume that you would draw a DOC protect?

Because from what you're saying, it looks like you're trying to get the Doc to target you. Absolutely anyone that targets you can't vote. You openly claim to town "I can clear someone tomorrow" AND claim to know someone as 100% town AND don't deny the claim to masonry people obviously got from your posts... and you don't think that a Doc might protect you for that?

Because that makes sense as a scum play. "Hey guys, I'll make people think I've got a great power role and I'll get a doc protect and then we'll know who the doc is". That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is "Hey brain, I'll attract a Night Kill AND set myself up for a lynch because I'm a liar by pretending to have all these abilities! Anyone that targets me won't be able to vote the next day, so if scum NKills me, that guy can't vote tomorrow! Also I won't tell anyone about this plan and they'll have to figure it out on their own."

Your role effectively ousts every power role that touches you to scum. If someone says "I can't vote", that means they have some sort of power role that can target someone. What's more:

I've been trying so hard to draw a NK or Roleblock, but somehow people have gotten too caught up in it.

This I don't get. No one thinks you've been trying to "draw a NKill or roleblock". Nothing you've said even implies this from D1.

D1 I:
-Claimed that I could clear someone as either town or scum (which I could if I was targeted by them in the night.)

No. No you can't. You can only prove they have a power role, which is bad in every way for town.

-Bread crumbed being Mason's with OS. btw I never claimed this. That was you Ryu. It's against my mafia philosophy to lie as town. I simply said is "it should be pretty obvious why I think x1 is 100% town" or something like that.

Uh... when did you breadcrumb being masons with me?

-Directing the cop to investigate me. I was hoping that maybe scum would kill me because of the clear or that if a possible cop did actually do this, I would secretly know that person was town and thus be able to clear them later if I was alive or they would be cleared later on my flip.

...

What?

You DIRECTED THE COP TO INVESTIGATE YOU knowing full well the cop wouldn't be able to vote the following day?

This cannot be a town action.

If the cop didn't want to claim immediately because, oh, I dunno, the cop shouldn't blindly say "I GOT A TOWN INVESTIGATION" at the start of day 2, you'd be outing him earlier than he'd like.

All of this failed. And I really think that someone experienced is in the mafia. Unfortunately all of this backfired today when I ended up living through the night and couldn't deliver.

What did you think would happen? You could have easily lead to a mislynch. How did you even know there was a roleblocker before the Night Actions went through? Until Nich claimed roleblocker, no one knew that one existed in this game.

I think this is a pretty severe assumption.

When I realized today that scum probably knew what I was trying to do, I tried taken the Frozen approach which is to play sort of kind of like his lurky style which often gets him lynched and in which I just seen a direct example in another game I'm in with him. But THEN people tried to use THAT for calling me scum. I was hoping that with a scum flip today that scum would certainly target me because I wouldn't be lynch viable later based on the flips. I felt that if I lived through today, I had a good chance of drawing the night kill during the night and we could out the roleblocker d3. I was attempting to taunt scum with my last few comments. "Nich, scum wont roleblock me, if they do then you will be able to do your biz." and all that. If scum felt that I didn't think they would NK me or Roleblock me, then they would in fact do one of these things to throw town off. (Mostly roleblock. I felt they would try to put me in the same position I am tomorrow as today with "no results").

This is why I didn't want to claim, because it pretty much makes what I was trying to do pointless as now that scum know I wanted them to target me, they simply wont.

These are my crumbs from d1 :

Oy.

Why would people's flips clear you? How would you know their flips would clear you, rather than condemn you?

Oh, that's right: you know their alignment.

This post is full of scum slips. You imply that you assumed their was a roleblocker prior to a roleblocker being known, you imply that you know that people's flips would clear you which indicates you would know their alignment, and that's on top of the rest of your scummy behavior.

Zen is scum.

Someone hammer.

 

[Xiivi]

8/14|02.17.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
Ranmaru|Rajam/

X1-12|Red Ryu/

Zεη|frozenflame751/Luxor/Raziek/Ranmaru/Nicholas1024/Overswarm/BeatStick/

Overswarm|Cdubs1987/X1-12/Nabe/Zεη/

Rajam|giraffelasergun/

No Vote|No One

Deadline Extension Requests|Zεη/

 

[X1-12]

if its not clear to you why thats bad play, its because one misread can lead to you basically reading the whole game wrong and then once the player flips town you will be completely lost with no good reads and lots of mainly meaningless connections. Furthermore in the time when you are busy tunneling one player you are ignoring so many others and you miss out on important posts and tells. I'm just trying to show you can play this game better so please actually think about it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You aren't really joking though, pretty much everything you've said since mid D1 is based upon your scumread on me, did you ever even consider that you could be wrong about it? And I dont care if you make jokes about me being scum, I was just using your horrendous play as an example to Nich on how not to play this game.

Your one to talk.

Dude you have done far worse with baseless claims and scum reads. No evidence, nothing other than, "Lynch this guy he is scum"

I'm not the only one who thinks this way either, Other have caught onto your poor play.

You claimed OS didn't follow up on a read and then yourself tell people to drop cases when it circles around to you.

I don't care if this is how you play, it's bad play.

@Nich: I'm looking at past Zen to see if this pans out, I'm not sure yet if this is legit or not but I'm rereading to see if Zen's crumbs seems to match-up well with what he is saying and the events that occurred.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

After rereading this and seeing back, I'm not convinced.

Like OS said this was incredibly dangerous to do, not only does this not confirm the person he stuns is town or not, but with him trying to direct a cop he could have easily caused Scum to counter claim cop to hide as town. Even further whose not to say someone like a watcher or a doc could have tried to target Zen to ensure he stays alive.

This was risky as hell and there is a lot of dangerous situations that don't even begin to justfy the return.

I'm not buying this one bit, I'm done.

Unvote
Vote: Zen

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich you're ridiculous. Once you see someone as scum, you look at everything they do and say as scum and ignore any evidence against that. You said you were trying to improve your play from now on, but you're still doing it.

I don't think my play says that I was trying to draw a doc protect at all. I explicitly stated multiple times during twilight that the doc should protect you.

I disagree. Overswarm basically outlined all the evidence against you using your role in a townie manner, so I won't repeat it.

@X1
You realize Frozenflame is voting Zen as well, right?

 

[Xiivi]

It is currently Twilight

8/14|02.17.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
Ranmaru|Rajam/

Zεη|frozenflame751/Luxor/Raziek/Ranmaru/Nicholas1024/Overswarm/BeatStick/Red Ryu/

Overswarm|Cdubs1987/X1-12/Nabe/Zεη/

Rajam|giraffelasergun/

No Vote|No One

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also how does the mason and X1 being 100% even factor into this Zen? That really makes no sense.

 

[X1-12]

OS no doctor would ever target Zen N1 based on his play. Fakecrumbing IS a good way to draw NKs and RBs. He looked like obv VT on D1 trying to draw the NK.

Do you not see how useful his ability can be now? And that its easily provable.

 

[X1-12]

ARE YOU ****ING ******** OR SOMETHING

/caps

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If he flips Scum X1 is next on my list.

 

[Overswarm]

OS no doctor would ever target Zen N1 based on his play. Fakecrumbing IS a good way to draw NKs and RBs. He looked like obv VT on D1 trying to draw the NK.

Do you not see how useful his ability can be now? And that its easily provable.

Zen'll flip scum. He's done some stupid **** in the past, but I have yet to see any townie ever play that poorly before. That, combined with the fact his role is inherently anti-town and all of his plans fit exactly into a mafia plan, makes that much obvious.

As for "no doctor would ever target Zen N1 based on his play"... what doctor WOULDN'T think about protecting someone who is assumed to be some sort of mason/investigative role? What about the cop which he actively asked to investigate him?

There is nothing pro-town about his plans or his ability.

We'll see his flip soon enough.


We can actually use twilight to our advantage though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ranmaru I see you down there.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, I am here. Two tabs. I disagree with you. I would go for X1 regardless of Zen's flip, because X1's play doesn't seem pro-town to me.

Rajam and OS seem town to me.
Beatstick and Luxor, I'm not so sure. I would say one of them would be scum. More likely to be Luxor than Beatstick.

PR's, do whatever you think would benefit town in a smart manner.

 

[ranmaru]

RR, you only think X1 could be scum due to his connections with Zen?

 

[X1-12]

I'm replacing out of this game after one final post tomorrow where I will show you who the scum are. Tbh town have probably already lost by not lynching OS toDay because theres no-one left who can play without being blinded by the fact he can use long words. Town are too ******** to lynch OS and instead lynch the amazingly useful and easily provable PR.

If you're wondering why I am replacing its cause this Day has been hell but i tried to battle through and with Zen now dead there is no way I will ever be able to enjoy this game. Sorry Xiivi.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah well it was proved against you that not following up on indie Cdubs read wasn't Scummy. (Mostly from Rajam)

So don't blame town you fool.

 

[ranmaru]

Or rather, that it wouldn't matter to either faction. So it would be null I think.

 

[Xivii]

Yeah town lost. This is a pretty ******** town. Ryu should die for that reasoning. I'm glad I'm out of this though. Too many people that don't know how to play. Nich I just don't even.

 

[ranmaru]

Gee you are quick to lose hope, eh? Why did town lose?

Do you think the way you played might have confused town?

 

[Xivii]

This has to be the worst thought out claim post I've ever seen. Zen should die toDay.



Most townie role ever, amirite?

(this is commonly called a vote blocker, btw, at least on smashboards)

Whoever targets him can't vote.

This is something that seems ridiculously stupid:



So let me get this straight:

You openly claim to town "I can clear someone" when you can't. This is pro-town... how? Because you've repeatedly lied about abilities. Do you not realize that being forced to say "I can't clear someone" after saying you can will result in town lynching you? Do you not realize that if someone targetted you and couldn't vote and scum found out after your claim, you've just outed several power roles?

No one is that dumb.

You were trying to draw a NKill knowing that your role does absolutely nothing to someone that kills you, because all they could do is say "I can't vote" since you didn't post anything. Or just not vote. No one would be wise to it because... why would we?

Furthermore, you were acting incredibly scummy, toDay especially. Hell, even your reasoning doesn't make sense! Did you not assume that you would draw a DOC protect?

Because from what you're saying, it looks like you're trying to get the Doc to target you. Absolutely anyone that targets you can't vote. You openly claim to town "I can clear someone tomorrow" AND claim to know someone as 100% town AND don't deny the claim to masonry people obviously got from your posts... and you don't think that a Doc might protect you for that?

Because that makes sense as a scum play. "Hey guys, I'll make people think I've got a great power role and I'll get a doc protect and then we'll know who the doc is". That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is "Hey brain, I'll attract a Night Kill AND set myself up for a lynch because I'm a liar by pretending to have all these abilities! Anyone that targets me won't be able to vote the next day, so if scum NKills me, that guy can't vote tomorrow! Also I won't tell anyone about this plan and they'll have to figure it out on their own."

Your role effectively ousts every power role that touches you to scum. If someone says "I can't vote", that means they have some sort of power role that can target someone. What's more:




This I don't get. No one thinks you've been trying to "draw a NKill or roleblock". Nothing you've said even implies this from D1.



No. No you can't. You can only prove they have a power role, which is bad in every way for town.



Uh... when did you breadcrumb being masons with me?



...

What?

You DIRECTED THE COP TO INVESTIGATE YOU knowing full well the cop wouldn't be able to vote the following day?

This cannot be a town action.

If the cop didn't want to claim immediately because, oh, I dunno, the cop shouldn't blindly say "I GOT A TOWN INVESTIGATION" at the start of day 2, you'd be outing him earlier than he'd like.



What did you think would happen? You could have easily lead to a mislynch. How did you even know there was a roleblocker before the Night Actions went through? Until Nich claimed roleblocker, no one knew that one existed in this game.

I think this is a pretty severe assumption.



Oy.

Why would people's flips clear you? How would you know their flips would clear you, rather than condemn you?

Oh, that's right: you know their alignment.

This post is full of scum slips. You imply that you assumed their was a roleblocker prior to a roleblocker being known, you imply that you know that people's flips would clear you which indicates you would know their alignment, and that's on top of the rest of your scummy behavior.

Zen is scum.

Someone hammer.

I didn't know if there was a roleblocker d1. Hence why I said THE nk and A roleblocker. Or whatever else scum could do.

A Ran scum flip should have pretty much shown that I was town. Your scum flip would be less, but still I've been pretty much opposed to you.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@X1,Zen
If you two are really going to take that attitude, then I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[Xivii]

Gee you are quick to lose hope, eh? Why did town lose?

Do you think the way you played might have confused town?

y u kno I'm town tho?

 

[ranmaru]

I don't.

I'm assuming from this

"Yeah town lost. This is a pretty ******** town."

So I wonder why you say that. I think it is your fault though, because you were confusing us. You didn't really make a case on me, only Beatstick and Rajam legit did.

Now answer my question.

 

[Xivii]

Rajam's case was solid. I would just be repeating everything. I've redirected people to it many times. You were inactive all yesterday and today accept near the end. Making a case on someone who doesn't post is difficult to do.

 

[Xivii]

Why would it be necessary for me to answer your question? What would you gain from it? You're "scumhunting" a dead man.

 

[ranmaru]

I was busy.

Also, can you reflect on your play please?

Were you banking on my flip to semi-clear yourself? Isn't that risky?

The only legit townie thing I would see you do was in the middle, such as when you were questioning me yesterday at 1 am.

 

[Xivii]

How did Beat make a case that was more legit than anything that I said? Earlier you were saying that Beat made no case other than agree with me.

 

[ranmaru]

Because it could help town. Stop being butthurt about your lynch and answer it.

How did town go wrong? If you note this we can look at this toMmorow and go from there.

 

[ranmaru]

Oops, I got confused. I mean Luxor and Rajam. Beat didn't make a case.

 

[ranmaru]

Also btw, I think Nabe is less legit than you, Zen. Nabe basically hopped on wagons ALL DAI. For example the Gord votes.

 

[Xivii]

I wasn't banking on your flip to clear myself. I was banking on your flip to add to the reasons scum should kill me. They would keep me alive because so many were for my lynch, so they could get a mislynch the next day. If I got you lynched however, much of that suspicion would likely die down and scum would have less reasoning for keeping me alive.

 

[Xivii]

I'm not butthurt. Stop pretending to be tough. It doesn't suit you.
What were Luxors reasons against you? Also would you have unvoted me had Ryu not hammered?

 

[ranmaru]

You and X1 seem butthurt. I'm not acting tough. I'm just me.

No, I wasn't going to unvote.

I don't remember. That was his case against Glyph though. Want me to dig it up ?

 

[ranmaru]

Nich I see you there too. Talk with us.

 

[Xivii]

Thinking that this is a really bad town =/= butthurt chile.

Yes, bring them up. Take note of my posts around that time as well and tell me what differentiates us. Also why do you think Ryu is town? I don't recall you ever giving your reasons for that. You've shown to have a strong town read on him so you must have reasoning. Do you think he hammered at an appropriate time or do you think there was more to get from the day? It seemed out of place to me. We still had 24 hours. Also did you ever answer why you would think scum would try to get eachother lynched the whole game?

 

[Xivii]

Now that I think about it, I do recall you going through spontaneous intervals of confidence in SC.


Nich: Are you using your coroner tonight?

 

[ranmaru]

Well with Ryu I never had a problem with him. Basically I have a hard time finding out who is town... ;-; So I just try to pick out who are scummy to me, and the others that aren't I wouldn't condone a lynch.

So the people that screamed scummy to me were:

You (Zen you claimed too but I wasn't going to unvote, I wanted you dead)
X1
Nicholas (But he claimed and I believed it)
Beat & Luxor for following you and... "betraying" you.

The only people I have strong town reads are Rajam and OS. I don't know where Rajam gets the time to build cases, reading and responding to his glyph case took aloot out of me. He would be usefull, and so would OS.

RR Raz Vult I had no problem with. I would have had suspicions with Adum earlier when he was asking Luxor about his random vote that came from no where thing... But that was it. Not really townie to me but these guys I wouldn't lynch. Also I didn't think GLG should have been a lynch either, even though Gord was making stupid deals. ;-;

Also about scum attacking each other, I just thought X1 and OS could have done this because one time I have heard that X1 would bus only if it was planned. So even if he distances, I'm sure that a bus he would throw would be a hard one. That was my only reason. I would still think OS town, but that is why I would want X1 dead first to see if I should doubt OS later.

 

[ranmaru]

What do you mean intervals of confidence?

 

[ranmaru]

Also we could have waited a bit longer. I want to have as much info as possible.

But that won't be overlooked either. RR, why did you hammer before deadline?