Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Rajam]

glg, Vote OS and I promise I will get Ran lynched on D3, deal?

Though I don't have a problem with these lynches and the order, please stop directing the confirmed townie

 

[giraffelasergun]

unvote Vote: OS

Oh that reminds me I forgot to answer FF's question.
Os is scum becuase at the end of the last day phase he started ignoring basically anything anyone said directed at him, and when asked why he said he didn't want to distract the town. Normally I'd understand but the questions were things like "why is nich town" and "why is gord scum" basically being the two leading lynch candidates yesterday and he wouldn't clarify his opinion on them.

I haven't decided yet if Raz is either scum or townie who only wants to live, beat too.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Rajam, get off X1's back. He's town.

 

[Rajam]

unvote
vote: OS

 

[Overswarm]

unvote Vote: OS

Oh that reminds me I forgot to answer FF's question.
Os is scum becuase at the end of the last day phase he started ignoring basically anything anyone said directed at him, and when asked why he said he didn't want to distract the town. Normally I'd understand but the questions were things like "why is nich town" and "why is gord scum" basically being the two leading lynch candidates yesterday and he wouldn't clarify his opinion on them.

I haven't decided yet if Raz is either scum or townie who only wants to live, beat too.

Uh huh....

Answer what?

If you're referring to any questions you asked previously, I probably ignored them. Ya know, looking for a lynch instead of waiting until right before deadline and trying to derail town now and Zen.


See what I did there?

If you've got an important and relevant question to ask Zen, now's the time to ask. Even if I don't answer it during twilight I'll have time to re-read D1 and answer them at the start of the Day.

Why is Zen not scum for trying to change the wagon right before the Day ended?

More importantly, I did state why I wanted your lynch over Nich's lynch. Repeatedly. I felt Nich was town, I've played with him several times, and I believed his play to be some sort of town power role. BAM. Nich claims as a power role.

But really, you don't have a case; you're just pissed because you see me as the person who was going after you.

Riddle me this:

giraffelasergun|Vult Redux/Nicholas1024/Cdubs1987/Raziek/frozenflame751/Luxor/Rajam/Red Ryu/Overswarm


What are their reasons for being on your lynch? Can you name them?

Why aren't you all over Raziek's case?

I don't agree with a Nich lynch. Compared to some of the other players, I don't feel like there's been enough legitimate evidence on him. Going to do some more reading, but I should probably put in my opinion before the lynch.

vote: giraffelasergun

That's not solid reasoning, is it?

And you should probably go back and, I dunno, read Day 1.

agree with the sentiment, but we can't verify Nich's claim. Claiming "9 clears!" and then proceeding to lynch townies until Nich is cleared in some way isn't a plan I'm ready to stick to.

Regardless, Ran is not the play for toDay.

GLG

Nich

Pick one, vote for one. Move your vote between the two if you need to. But vote for one of those so we can figure out what direction town needs to go in. Voting for Ran isn't going to help us get a lynch. Our deadline is very soon and Zen already got us off track from the last one. This deadline extension is ending soon. Pick one of the two people with a zillion votes on them already rather than starting your own wagon, and pick up on those wagons the next Day phase when we have more info.

Ran could be scum, he could be town, but we don't have time to adequately question him. Do you want a blind lynch? Do you think you'll get a blind lynch?

Stop sidetracking town and pick one of the two options town is split between.

You've got these literally littering the Day.

This isn't a case of OS sneaking around and later saying "oh, I just didn't want to distract town". This is me directly stating that multiple times throughout the Day as the Day draws to a close.


But since I know you won't read Day 1, here's some posts for you in reverse chronological order:

We need a lynch soon. Nich's claim is interesting in that it doesn't really make sense for Ike and it's completely unconfirmable, but I don't think there's much of a reason for Nich to throw out such an awful safe claim as scum. It is more likely he just got a unique role as town imo.

Still for GLG.

We're lynching Zen, X1, or GLG today.


Zen has been scummy and active.

X1 has been scummy and hides.

GLG has been scummy in both himself and his replacement, and switches between activity and inactivity.

X1's scumminess mostly comes from his early play and strategic inactivity. GLG's scumminess comes from his strategic inactivity and his desperate attempt to say the right thing ("I think X should be lynched, but I'd be totally okay with the other player you're talking about!") on a constant basis. Zen's scumminess comes from his constant anti-town play (pushing towards a no-lynch with every one of his actions, making 180º turns, soft claiming things like mason for no reason, super aggression to try to prevent people to attack him, attacking anyone who pressures him, etc., etc.

X1 won't get lynched today, so I'll remove him.

Zen or GLG.

Go.

Stop framing things.
Gordito was scummy as hell, replaced out, and we got GLG who was also scummy. Nich is one of like 6 people that have been acting the exact same as him. There's no reason I've seen to single him out over someone like CDubs. Actually, I see more reason to look at CDubs because CDubs regularly posts "sorry about inactivity". You can't post "sorry about inactivity" and not post any content.

(above in response to someone questioning me on my statement of "Nich's wagon grew too fast for my liking")

There you can see part of my thought process and my elimination of several other candidates, leading up to you.


If you want to push a case on me, try asking some questions instead of just charging ahead blindly. I didn't answer a question yesterday? Ask it now.


@GLG

Do you think Nich is scum?



@X1

Oh yeah btw Nabe I will lynch Zen with you toMorrow.

I found this in my reread (post #808). What made you think this at that time?


@Ranmaru and CDubs

Post.

 

[X1-12]

@X1

I found this in my reread (post #808). What made you think this at that time?

I wanted Zen to live overNight, and I wanted Nabe to focus on more important things as Zen was just a distraction

X1, can you explain your stance on Raziek and how it doesn't also apply to others in this game?

Was it not clear? My last three posts before you asked this were all about Raziek, clearly showing my stance on him. It gets summed up pretty well here.
Why does it not apply to others? Well no other players have blatantly deflected pressure away when they had received at most one or two votes.

@Overswarm: Why did you ask this question, what did you seek to gain?

If X1 picked up on what I did, +1 town points for X1.

@Overswarm: Please clarify what you are talking about here

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ran still hasn't made that post I wanted to see yet. The content was very lacking from what he has posted and he isn't working on getting that post up yet. Not liking this at all.

I think he is trying to force town to ignore him seeing as he is staying low whenever another lynch pops up hoping that the heat dies down.

Unvote
Vote: Overswarm

Nabe trust me, hop off zen for toDay, preferrably onto OS.

glg, Vote OS and I promise I will get Ran lynched on D3, deal?

Your doing exactly what I questioned you for D1.

@Zen & Luxor: How can you guys take this so lightly, the second quote just looks mad scummy as is. I honestly can't see this as town play at all.

He's trying to make deals to get other people lynched and demanding other hop on just like with Gordy D1.

I doubt any of this is meta play or trying to get reads, this looks like pure scum to me.

People who I support a lynch: X1_12, Nich, Ranmaru

 

[X1-12]

I'm not trying to get reads, I'm trying to get Overswarm lynched.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well that convinced me.

Vote: X1_12

Post reasons next time bro.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

8/14|02.17.10 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
Overswarm|Rajam/giraffelasergun/X1-12

Ranmaru|BeatStick/Zεη/

X1-12|Ranmaru/RedRyu

Zεη|Nabe/X1-12/Nicholas1024/FrozenFlame751

No Vote|Cdubs1987/Raziek//Luxor/Overswarm/

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: I'm voting twice, can you check that votecount?

 

[X1-12]

Also can someone explain intent to RR

 

[Nicholas1024]

@X1 in particular, but anyone else who's on his wagon
Explain in detail why you want Overswarm lynched, I don't feel like I have a good grasp of the case against him.

@RR
Obviously X1 is pretty sure OS is scum, which is why he said he wasn't looking for reads.

@Frozenflame
I don't feel like I've seen enough from you. Could you give me your top 3 scum reads?

@Zen
I need to look over your case in more detail. However, my reasons for D1 were mainly focused on

a) Your odd interactions with Nabe and X1
b) Your bad case against me.

a) I need to look over more, but I can exapnd on b) a bit right now.

Basically, you going after me at the point that you did made PERFECT sense as scum.

1) You know I'm a good player
2) You knew I was behind somewhat on the thread, thus making me an easier target
3) There were 3 different people who had already voiced dislike for me (Beatstick, GLG, Raziek), meaning you'd get a nice quick wagon going.
4) The other target for the day was Gord's playerslot, who was a rather weak player and VT. Plus, you'd already received heat for going after a weak player in early game (from Adum), so if you went full speed ahead on him, you'd look bad when he flipped town.
5) The case itself just wasn't satisfactory. The only legit point you made was me failing to deliver on the reread (basically inactivity), which isn't a surefire scumtell (else we'd have to lynch half the game!). That's just not enough reasoning for a townie, IMO.

And one more based on D2 events,

6) You said there was one scum between me and GLG, and didn't want to lynch GLG because you thought I was it. Well, GLG's been lynched and flipped town, by that logic shouldn't you be even more on my case toDay? But no, it's like you forgot all about that.

 

[Raziek]

Popping in briefly for an update.

I've got a Smash biweekly to host tonight, so I won't be able to post anything of substance until tomorrow.

Expect some actual content then.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Zen, thanks for responding. Who's scum?

GLG, in the future please let someone who isn't town cleared explain why X or Y players are scum.

Rajam, get off X1's back. He's town.

unvote
vote: OS

This exchange is cool.
Raj, what convinced you to vote OS?

Ran, instead of making a long post when you get back, vote OS.

RR, what do you think of OS?

 

[X1-12]

Nich is town. Confident on that now. Raz is now probably town as I think about it. Lynch Cdubs before him, but that shouldn't be till like D4 at least

Nich considering town. But scum if OS scum unless OS is indy abductor. Then Nich town.

How sure are you about this? I'm inclined to believe Nich and OS are different factions, OS is playing Nich though without him realising.

 

[X1-12]

Good to see Nabe has the right ideas

 

[Beat!]

K, my V/LA is over, but it's 11 30 pm and I could fall asleep any second. Content when I wake up.

 

[X1-12]

Vote for OS while you're here

 

[Beat!]

Meh, I'll do it tomorrow if that's what my re-read will tell me.

 

[X1-12]

glg, Vote OS and I promise I will get Ran lynched on D3, deal?

Beatstick, Vote OS and I will make Zen promise that if I die he will get Ran lynched too, deal? That way Ran WILL die on D3 even if I get NKed

 

[X1-12]

Ran, instead of making a long post when you get back, vote OS.

Failure to vote OS will remove any remaining chance that you had of surviving past D3

 

[Overswarm]

X1 has forgotten two things:

1) He needs reasoning, not just saying "vote OS" over and over again

2) It's not Christmas anymore


I'm just gonna twiddle my thumbs until other people start posting

 

[X1-12]

How about you start by answering my questions in #1326

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ X1. I don't like this.

glg, Vote OS and I promise I will get Ran lynched on D3, deal?

I echo the sentiments of Rajam saying I am fine with those lynches. However, it sounds like you are playing "lets make a deal" instead of playing "lets catch scum". If I didn't really think OS is scum, I would find this post really scummy. If you were to explain "hey, ran maybe scum, but I think it'd be more valuable to go after OS first", that sounds like you have reasoning for your actions, and sounds less like you are trying to manipulate the confirmed townie.

As for for right now, I voiced thinking Luxor being suspicious in my previous post, but now I am going to explain why I want to vote OS.

So OS has his first real post #156. Nothing too scummy about it. In fact quite the opposite. Everything he does looks like geniune scumhunting. He says Zen's actions are interesting, perhaps not the best, and that he thinks Gordito is an idiot on top of lots of other things. The only thing that sorta looks bad to me is

2: Do we need GLG to mess up?

GLG (I think?) is replacing Gordito eventually. Do we give him a clean slate? Do we need him to mess up prior to pushing him again?

I say this because there's no way he can "defend" Gordito's actions. Gordito did just about every scummy thing you can think of someone to do on D1. Back-to-back-to-back. But he gave no real info. It's just straight up him acting stupid. This culminates with him saying "request replacement", which is a way for many people to "get out of jail free".

This feels to me (albeit in hindsight) that he is expecting the "of course we don't give GLG a clean slate" for him to respond with "well if thats what people want to do lets go with it". First post after, by glyph, is essentially "of course not".

So then, OS sits around for a while, Votes X1 for thinking he is lying about the "gambit" thing, and then in #242 says

I still don't like the picture response. That doesn't sound like town Gord. That sounds like a panicking Gord.


I want Frozen Flame and Raziek to post more.

Just to clarify, the picture response (you got me, #32) is Gordito's FIRST POST after Zen calls gordito scum, with only one irrelevant post inbetween. His word choice in #242 "I still don't like the picture thing" implies he has mentioned not liking the picture thing. He has never previously mentioned "not liking the picture thing". He hasn't said anything about disliking gord since his 142 where he noted the obvious, that Gord was either being dumb or scum.

Conversation has sort of been steered away from Gord at this point. The previous posts from about #219 and beyond have been focusing on new targets, such as Zen, and Red Ryu yet OS directs it back towrds gboy/glg.

Nabe comments on this in #246 with

Really? :<
Do you have experience with town Gord at all? I don't, it's just what I expect from him based on his usual actions. Kid's like 14 and is generally in good humour.

OS 'raises his eyebrow' at this, without explaining anything.

The reason this seemed really off to me, is OS seemed to be doing some legit scumhunting, and then posted his "oh yeah don't forget Gord was scummy guys" post, while citing something that on its own is not particularly scummy. I have brought this up before, and I'm bringing it up again. It looks like fake scumhunting, with the purpose of keeping town directed to a potential mislynch.

So if you cite something as scummy, and people ask you if that really comes across as scummy to you, the typical response would be to justify why it is scummy, or to say it was a mistake. Instead, in OS's 265

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12015156&postcount=265

he spends quite a bit of time ad hom-ing the **** outta me (granted I had sentence fails) and ends it all with

Yeah, I totally didn't read any of Gord's other posts. Give me a ****ing break. If you can't think for yourself just pick someone you agree with and quote them and say "This" or at the very least ask questions that can't be answered with a simple yes or no.

The only thing he sorta does to justify his mention of Gord's pic being scummy is say that this doesn't seem like 14 year old humor to him.

So why get so belligerent? Granted I wrote pretty poorly, and said "answer my question". Instead of asking for a clarification, or attempt to truly justify his statement of Gord's scummniess, he just goes "OMG CDUBS YOU ARE SO DUMB HERP DERP". Because he was caught lazily fake scum hunting. When I stopped attacking OS, he stopped calling me dumb.

So I explain why this is all scummy against OS, and he responds in #270 with

Or, I'm ****ing right?

You know what happened?

Gordito does something that two separate players call him out on
Gordito blows off their questions
Gordito receives several votes
Gordito blows off more questions
Gordito asks for replacements

Posting a picture in itself isn't scummy. I've done that before. What's scummy is blowing everyone off when they have legitimate questions. This isn't even a case of Gordito simply thinking that they weren't legitimate; people piled on the votes after he brushed them off. That's confirmation that, hey, if you're town you need to start making it to where town doesn't want to kill you. That's one of the most important things for town to do.

So i said, specifically the thing that he scummy against OS, is that he picked out something to call out as scummy against another player, that really isn't all that scummy.

He then proceeds to summarize all of the scummy things gordito has done, when I was not grilling him for calling gordito scummy, instead grilling him for what he used to call gordito scummy in his #242. OS did some justification of his 242

A townie doesn't brush off legitimate claims for any reason. There are a few players that can pull that off, and they are all experienced players. Gordito continued to bring attention to himself by brushing things off very visibly, repeatedly. There's no reason to do that as town. Posting a giant picture was step one and yes, presents a panicking Gordito to me.

I would like to point out posts #20 and #21. Vult votes Glyph, glyph says "folied so soon". I know that this is RVS, so this would not constitue "legitimate claims" that town should not brush off. However, Gordito's post was only 12 posts later, at the time it is unclear whether or not Gordito thought this was a real vote or RVS vote, and he makes conflicting statement about this in the future. Gordito did continue ignoring the aggro against him for a while, which was scummy, but thats not what I am talking about. The picture on its own was not scummy.


Although OS did address the pic post as scummy (poorly), this is not the focus of his post. He basically continues saying Cdubs is dumb. I would like to remind everyone that Nabe pointed out that Gordito is 14 and OS ignored it. When I pointed it out, instead of simply addressing it (even if he was convinced it wasn't worth addressing) he makes a large deal of of saying even insinuating his "lazy scum hunt" was suspicious is truly ********. I don't think this is how town would have dealt with this. I think OS slipped up, and his response to realizing his lazy mistake was to tear me apart instead of simply saying "yes, I think town Gord would have immediately addressed people's concerns".

Moving on, in #285 OS calls Zen out on a bad attempt to get reads and being inconsistent, and then says to the town

"stop thinking you are clever and attmepting gambits, that is bad for town", attempting to give himself a very pro town image. Fine on its own I guess. In OS's #359 he asks Vult to respond to Luxor's accusations against him. Also fine on its own. He says

There are a LOT of people being questioned that aren't answering anything.

Vult, imma start with you since you were most recently on the page. Address Luxor's posts against you, and we can move from there.

What I don't like is how OS is essentially dictating himself the authority of town. Its like he is presenting this aura that reads "everyone should know I am town, and listen to me". He also essentially presents a set of rules for who can and cannot attempt gambits, and states he doesn't believe X1 could have attempted a gambit.

In os's #364

Are you trying to tell me "believe me, I'm bad at mafia?". You're playing the noob card. Claiming n0 cop isn't a good move, I'll admit, but that still doesn't mean I believe you.

This seems like an intentional misread of X1's argument. X1 simply stated a situation where he ran a gambit (did not argue whether it was good or bad). He is ignoring X1's statement saying that he has done gambit's before. There are plenty of instances where OS seems to be trying to assert himself as a town authority. Such as #1016, among others.

By the way Luxor, good job on the deadline extension. We got ourselves a lynch out of what would have been a no lynch. Going to give a +town cookie to you and Ran both now. Still think Nich is town, but needs to be watched.

So later in the game, you ask nich (1170)

Are you able to say who adumbrodeus was?

Granted, I can't really give people crap for misreading, but this feels like you are just meaninglessly throwing it out there. Like he is simply trying to comment on it for the sake of trying to comment on it, doesn't feel truly pro-town to me. Other things that he does that I don't like go along with the previously mentioned phenomena of him trying to present himself as some kind of ultra town authority. OS in #1209 says

Any claimed power roles (no matter how silly) should be directed by GLG rather than their holder or any other town member, as GLG is confirmed town.

Assuming they are directed.

In a nutshell, I feel like OS is trying to manipulate people by presenting the image of himself being the authority on all that is pro town. While doing this he asks for everyone to post, for everyone to answer everyone's questions, while he himself often enjoys ignoring other people's questions. This sort of "well you're questions aren't worth responding to" play supports him attempting present himself as ALL THAT IS TOWN. I really think his scumhunting, though often strong in logic, is not truly genuine, and I really feel like he is trying to set the stage for manipulating people in the end game. I think he is scum.


VOTE:OVERSWARM

 

[X1-12]

Nich is town. Confident on that now. Raz is now probably town as I think about it. Lynch Cdubs before him, but that shouldn't be till like D4 at least

Why Nich is town: I set him up ohh so badly to claim results which as scum he'd take the opportunity, scum would never throw away such an amazing opportunity to **** with town, yes if the did Nich would look town, but the town points gained are worth nothing when compared to what they could do with faked results.

Why Raz is probably town: The only scum thing on him is that he deflected attention away from him, but all that shows is that he wants to live, that's nothing new, nor is it particularly surprising in a new player - look at Tiger Woods in NBC for example. I'm pretty sure self-preservation instinct in a new player should always be taken as null from now on.


@Rajam & Cdubs:At no point did I 'manipulate' GLG, I offered him a deal which he accepted. In case you have difficulties and could not tell from my actions. Yes I think both Ranmaru and OS are scum and yes I want OS gone first.

@Cdubs: When you say "I don't like this" is it that you do not like it as a way of playing, or that you think its scummy, please clarify

Cdubs' last paragraph on his most recent post is pretty good, he's caught onto Overswarm's faux scumhunting

 

[Overswarm]

Cdubs, I'll give you a pass on being foolish since you haven't played any games with me before.

However... I'm interested in how you worded your post.

You see, you said multiple things that aren't really true, but have been mentioned earlier toDay.

Let's make an example:

"OS doesn't answer people's questions!"

A false statement. I did answer people's questions; I just didn't at the very end of D1, when we had people asking me questions about players like Ran, who wasn't a play. Despite Zen trying to change the wagon at the very end of the day, Luxor saved town by adding in a "request extension" and giving us a lynch.

Prior to that, I did answer my questions, and asked my fair share.

So, we know that statement is false. The corrected statement, "OS didn't answer people's questions at the end of Day 1" not only isn't limited to just me, it also has been explained.

But despite this, you come in and make a long post saying "I think that..." and "I bet OS is..." and then end it with saying "OS didn't answer his questions on Day 1, but heckled others for doing the same thing".

You know it isn't true. I know it isn't true. But you've seen what you think is an easy wagon and jumped on it and said a half truth.

Did I yell at others to answer questions because they were ignoring them? Yes, yes I did. Were they ignoring them? Yes.

Did I avoid questions? Yes, I did... at the end of D1 when people were dragging their feet on who to lynch. I made my statement as to who I thought was scummy, and I didn't try to manipulate town to a No Lynch.

Did I do those at the same time?

No.

So why are you grouping them together?



I can hit your post in its entirety if you'd like, but it's one giant logical fallacy.

You've made an assumption (my alignment) and then read my actions as if I were that alignment, despite you not actually knowing what it is.

You've said yourself that my scum hunting was actually just fine... you just don't feel it is genuine. You have no reasons for this, you just think it fits nicely if I turned out to be scum.


Your post is pretty easily debunked if anyone actually goes back and reads. Clever to not link to the posts so they can't read 'em. I especially like quoting out of context sarcasm, implying I didn't read Gordito's other posts (I did).


Oh, and CDubs? I know Gordito and have played and modded his games in the past. He isn't 14. I believe I mentioned that.

 

[Overswarm]

It will be interesting to see if adum was abducted or jan'd but we'll figure that out as days go by. The only way there is a vig and no sk is if Adum was Jan'd and not abducted, unless the mafia kill was blocked. But I will agree with the current info it seems unlikely there is a "vig with balls" in the game.

@X1

This is what I was asking if you caught. You see it?

 

[X1-12]

@X1

This is what I was asking if you caught. You see it?

No, thats not what I picked up on, I assume you are suggesting from that post that Cdubs in an independent? Explain. Please also answer the other question in #1326

 

[Rajam]

Zen, thanks for responding. Who's scum?

GLG, in the future please let someone who isn't town cleared explain why X or Y players are scum.



This exchange is cool.
Raj, what convinced you to vote OS?

Ran, instead of making a long post when you get back, vote OS.

RR, what do you think of OS?

I already voted OS this Day, because he said Day 1 "we'll lynch either Nich or glg toDay, but I think Nich is town so it's glg". What do you think of this and OS in general Nabe?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

CDubs not scum with OS, he wouldn't expose a strat like that as a late-wagon vote, he'd just cuddle up to reasoning that's already in place.

On his part, OS doesn't seem to be taking this very seriously. Not like a town level of nonchalance, more of an absolutely shrugging it off level. 1343 for example. Comes off as intent to ride the wagon to a claim.

 

[Rajam]

Nich, you were roleblocked right? and you received a message about it? Could you paraphrase that message? (sorry if you already did; if you did you can link me the post)

I guess it would be interesting to know if someone else was rblocked. Do you guys think that if someone else got roleblocked, that person should claim it?

Why Nich is town: I set him up ohh so badly to claim results which as scum he'd take the opportunity, scum would never throw away such an amazing opportunity to **** with town, yes if the did Nich would look town, but the town points gained are worth nothing when compared to what they could do with faked results.

I disagree. Claiming rblocked is pretty safe and leaves no traces. Claiming fake results as scum is a double-edge strategy imo; too risky. I also disagree with your previous appreciation of OS-Nich alliance relation; I think that if one of them flips scum, the other has good chances of being scum too (OS defending Nich Day 1 and Nich mostly ignoring OS the whole game)

Why Raz is probably town: The only scum thing on him is that he deflected attention away from him, but all that shows is that he wants to live, that's nothing new, nor is it particularly surprising in a new player - look at Tiger Woods in NBC for example. I'm pretty sure self-preservation instinct in a new player should always be taken as null from now on.

If you say self-preservation is a null tell on new players, why would you say Raziek is town then? For me Raziek is null since he has done little to nothing. And the claim is a whole null to me because as I said I already saw him fake-claiming before

 

[Overswarm]

On his part, OS doesn't seem to be taking this very seriously. Not like a town level of nonchalance, more of an absolutely shrugging it off level. 1343 for example. Comes off as intent to ride the wagon to a claim.

When a wagon grows on you but doesn't actually have any legitimate reasoning behind it, it's either townies not interested in reason ("I've got a HUNCH! I'm the greatest mafia player ever!") or scum adding themselves on.

There's nothing much to really take seriously. I'll claim if I need to, but not until more discussion happens.

A lot of players that are new to games with me like to imagine me as scum because my playstyle is abrasive, but I just ignore that now. You'd be surprised how many people think a response to a badly written post is evidence.

 

[X1-12]

firstly, most mods will only tell you if you were RB'd if your PR gives a result - your result is that your action failed. Because of this people shouldnt claim if they were RB'd imo.

Also Rajam I think you are underestimating how dangerous false results could be, Nich could implicate any number of townies and clear any amount of his partners. Furthermore I detailed how pro-scum false results would be early toDay, before Nich had posted - I was setting him up to make up results but he didnt, which makes me think he is genuine. My comment on the NichOS alliance is partly because of how blatant they have been in how they interact, it doesnt look as though they are trying in anyway to NOT look like buddies, which they would do if they were alligned. Furthermore from thier interaction it looked just like OS was pressing Nichs buttons to get him onside, and now is using Nich as his errand boy.

Raz wouldnt make such a blunder as scum. His scummates would never let him.

 

[X1-12]

OS. answer the other question in #1326 and respond to my #1349

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP on #1353: When I talk about Raz's blunder I mean him claiming agent to clear himself

 

[Overswarm]

@Overswarm: Why did you ask this question, what did you seek to gain?

I seek to gain information.

Because it WASN'T clear, and I wanted to see your responses. Instead of clarifying, you just deflected the question.

No, thats not what I picked up on, I assume you are suggesting from that post that Cdubs in an independent?

I think it's a strong possibility. Think through that post as town or scum, and ask yourself why anyone of either alignment would post that.



Your play has been pretty bad town play, X1. I'm unsure of your alignment as of yet; you could just be playing incredibly poorly. But you're setting yourself up for failure by following empty wagons. If you want to be taken seriously by people other than newbies, you've got to have SOME backing to your claims. Despite playing as if you're a vig that can kill someone and making tons of threats, you've not really "convinced" anyone. GLG has his reasons to vote for me. They might be good, might be bad, but they are his. CDubs has his reasons to vote for me. Might be good, might be bad, but they are his.

Who has been persuaded by you? You're just a guy in a mob screaming, and no one knows why you're there.

Granted, this helped me get a read on CDubs a great deal, but it's still not good play.

Regardless of all this, I'm still taking more note of Zen than anyone else. His "come in, AtE, leave when pressure is off me" I do not like, and his play D1 basically left town floundering for a lynch. I find it amusing that GLG and Rajam's reasoning for voting me stem directly from Zen forcing town into panic mode, but whatever.

I'd like to see more content from Ran, but have a null read on him. Raziek is a null read. While I'd agree with your sentiment of "his scummates wouldn't let him get away with that", keep in mind my first game was TMNT mafia as scum, and I played the noobcard hardcore.... with KevinM as my scummate. I did things that would get anyone lynched, and did it under the premise of "Oh, really? I guess I didn't think of that", so I don't believe that is too strong of a read.

That said, there are a lot of newer and mid-level players in here that might actually make that a good plan. You've basically removed all pressure from Raziek despite him not posting hardly any content, and we know absolutely nothing about him.

Town claims for no reason, claims a role that he says "couldn't possibly be scum", and then says "my role is useless lol"? I know he can send messages (I received it), but I know nothing else. I'm keeping it at that.

Luxor is a bit of an enigma to me as well. I have a small read on just about everyone in this game and have things to look for with everyone, but Luxor I've got nothing on.

I'm not the lynch for toDay, and we've got too many people who we know nothing about. Despite me not liking Zen the most, the amount of "unknowns" in this game with a potential abductor is a little ridiculous.

 

[Overswarm]

I accidentally a sentence

"Despite me not liking Zen the most, the amount of "unknowns" in this game with a potential abductor is a little ridiculous, so I'm not calling him a lynch for toDay at this point; this is the time we get information."

FFlame, you need to post more.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I already voted OS this Day, because he said Day 1 "we'll lynch either Nich or glg toDay, but I think Nich is town so it's glg". What do you think of this and OS in general Nabe?

unvote
vote: Rajam.

 

[Overswarm]

unvote
vote: Rajam.

Hey look everybody, we've got a cool guy here.

What are you trying to do, GLG? I agree, that statement makes no sense.

But voting someone without saying anything and thinking that they're just going to lose their **** isn't going to help anyone. Especially when the guy in question speaks English as a second language (which, btw Rajam? I'm impressed with. I'm awful with languages. Totally non-mafia related, just saying). Ask questions! Then, when he answers, people can always GO BACK even if the wagon immediately dissolves now.

Town has an advantage in numbers. Scum has an advantage in knowledge. As the game goes on, town's advantage in numbers decreases while their knowledge increases. The goal of the game is for Town to get enough information so that scum doesn't surpass them in numbers by that point. Voting and not saying anything won't help.