Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't think OS is scum, actually. His posts give me the impression that he likes to sound authoritarian and being "in charge" of what's going on. Where as this is getting a bit annoying in some posts, I find the actual content productive.

As for Zen, his entire D2 play has been a mixture of insults and random turn-arounds with his scum/town-reads.

Can you elaborate on these two points, with quotes? I'd like to see the process of how you formed that opinion of OS' play, and the Zen point is worth expanding on as well.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote, Vote: Overswarm

 

[Overswarm]

I don't doubt that you have do some scumhunting, but I have shown examples of you faux-scumhunting and there is no townie reason to do that. There is no explanation for why you did not follow up on your read on CDubs for example

?

What do you mean? When exactly did that read start in your opinion, and at what point did I abandon it?

 

[Overswarm]

@ OS I am student teaching to become certified to teach high school biology. Should be certified by Apr 29. In addition to doing that full time, I am also a college student taking college classes.

I did Secondary English. Hope your cooperating teacher is better than mine.

 

[Overswarm]

OS and Raz need to vote.

We do, but I need to find out who I believe to be the play. You could try and convince me to vote for someone.

 

[Overswarm]

Your read on adumbrodeus seems similar to your read on me, CDubs. Is this correct?

 

[Overswarm]

aaaaaand another vote with no reasoning behind it, this time from Nabe.

If you guys would like to have actual reads post flip, it's important to ask for content and to provide it when you vote.

 

[Xivii]

The 8/14 is 8 out of 14 to lynch.

*facepalm*

In that case I'll be caught up by Tuesday... >_>

 

[Raziek]

I'm unfortunately not going to be able to deliver the massive post I was hoping for tonight, as I've got mid-terms taking more priority. I don't have time to be quoting and hunting down specific posts, but I'd at least like to give people an idea of where I stand, and I agree that I can't just leave my vote unused.

With that in mind, here's a brief run-down of my opinions. I'll elaborate more on the likely lynch candidates tomorrow if I have time.

1. adumbrodeus - Abducted, not much to say here.

2. BeatStick - Nothing major stands out to me, currently a null read.

3. Cdubs1987 - Hrm. Nothing immediately disconcerting, but I've got a small gut feeling that he might be leaning scum. Will probably do some re-reading here.

4. frozenflame751 - Man of few posts. I currently feel like he's leaning slightly town.

5. Ranmaru - I don't really like the way he seems kind of detached from the discussion, only really popping in when he's being pressured. Leaning scum.

6. giraffelasergun - Confirmed Town.

7. Luxor - Maybe it's the fox, but I feel like he's leaning somewhat town. I don't like the wagon-jumping, but that's largely excusable given our proximity to the deadline, and the need for a D1 lynch. My apologies for the deflection here earlier, I realize that didn't really help my case any. Was stressed out at the time.

8. Nabe - Has been on Zen's case the whole game. I share how he feels regarding Zen, but at the same time, I feel like a lot of his voting is all over the place and unpredictable. Null read.

9. Nicholas1024 - Claiming roleblocked doesn't surprise me at all. If he was scum, claiming fake results would have caused confusion that would carry the scumteam all the way to day 4 or 5 before major inconsistencies started popping up. Easily worth the trade-off for his immediate lynch afterwards. I think his claim is legitimate, and he's town.

10. Overswarm - I'm really not understanding the OS hate here. He's been asking questions. However, I do agree that his "authoritarian" (thanks for the accurate term, BeatStick) style of doing so would probably rub people the wrong way. I certainly don't think he's done anything wagon-worthy like we're seeing here. All that said, I'm still sitting on a null read, but I dislike that wagon on him. I don't think he's today's play.

11. Rajam - Seems town to me. I'd like to see some further development and conclusions from the vote flow, though. That was a lot of work, but if nothing comes from it, it's wasted.

12. Raziek - Me.

13. Red Ryu - Has gotten into the game at a good rate. And his BBR johns were legit, the Lucario panel was so behind. x_x Leaning town.

14. Vult Redux - Dead town.

15. X1-12
16. Zεη

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These two make me very uncomfortable, and Zen's behavior today is pretty much solidifying my suspicions. I really don't like the "I'm bad at breadcrumbing, you guys don't know my master plan to clear people, etc. etc." business. Jerking us around like that isn't helping town, especially when he's deflecting questions in such a negative way. If he's town, he should be playing in a way that keeps town comfortable and trustworthy, not like the madman with a secret plan.

I'm going to re-read and do some quoting on Zen tomorrow, but I think he's the play.

In order of suspicion: Zen >>> X1 >>>> Ran.

vote: Zen

Will try to get some more stuff of substance tomorrow, but that's the short version of where I stand.

 

[Xivii]

Yeah Nabe no clears today.

 

[Xivii]

But Ran is scum. Which is very hard to prove other than

-the case Rajam made on Glyph
-Ran's general inactivity and empty promises.
-Rans non-existant thought process behind anything this game.
-Rans vote on x1 at the end of the day d1 when it was nearly impossible to get another wagon going. He completely avoided both wagons.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Ran

Vote: Ran

Vote: Ran


Everybody now.

 

[Xivii]

It's so hard to do anything against someone who wont even post. I mean I just saw him viewing the thread. This is BS. Man ran living would be so stupid.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, I am viewing this thread. I have two tabs up of it. It is a promise that will be filled soon. It's not an easy task to do. I want to make sure I have a grasp of what has been said.

I have this thread on a tab, and use another to go to user CP hoping my other game has a post.

You can SEE i made a catch up there, but it was easier since the game was smaller.

 

[ranmaru]

I don't plan to go in-depth with my opinion now

YOU SHOULD.

It's like throwing Agent Orange all over the face of the game.

Yes, you might hit scum, but you're far more likely to hit town in the process. And you would, if you vig me.

Don't worry you shouldn't be vig fodder if you contribute. I do know I could possibly be vig fodder myself.

If I started giving specific reads on Zen at his request I would be contradicting my earlier statement that giving reads during Twilight is antiTown (and it is, fyi), no?

Don't worry, you'll be fine if you are really honest.

Why would I do that? All that would do is make it look like I was claiming when backed into a corner. As OS already pointed out, I can't technically fully confirm my role, so it's not much better than claiming Vanilla.

Besides, claiming when the pressure is on didn't really work for you, did it? You got lynched anyway.

Nich claimed too, and people are still suspicious of him.

Claiming under pressure doesn't really help you unless you can confirm your alignment 100%.

With that in mind, I ask you: Why would I wait until Town was about to lynch me to claim something I can't confirm?

If you really are town you have shown yourself to scum and you would then be NK bait. That isn't helpful to town. That is why you must wait near lynch.

1) you can confirm you are the message sender, adn you did. You just can't claim alignment.
2) Tbh your claim now looks like a "guys I'm innocent please don't look at me" and you can use it as an excuse because really it was unneeded.

@Ran: OS toward the end of last day phase said/did a lot of things I didn't agree with and I want him dead.

Same question to you about X1.

Can you repeat that question, I don't see the question you mean about X1? I don't see it on this page.

But.... I really am Town.

How would waiting to claim I was the message sender help me, exactly? Things would play out in virtually the same manner, except I'd be claiming under pressure, rather than voluntarily.

Claiming without pressure doesn't help town. The only time you should claim is if you are in danger of dying. Lynching does this. If you claim, you will be nk bait.

@Ran
Scum picks:
You
Maybe Nich
Maybe Raz

Nich being roleblocked makes sense, so I'm gonna assume he tells the truth for now. I still don't like his playstyle though.

The thing with Raz is that I don't see how sending messages could possibly help town. It would make much more sense for scum, since they could cause a lot of confusion with it. I could see it being good for town if the message sender had another ability, but Raz said he didn't. On the other hand, it seems like a weird gambit, so I don't really know.

Basically, I need another flip to get further reads. Atm you're the only one I'd like to lynch, so I want to go from there. If you're scum, I'll look at X1.

"I also don't mind a Luxor/Beastick lynch. He votes me for inactivity when I only see two posts from him."

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
afaik Luxor didn't vote you, so I'm gonna assume you're talking about me. And I didn't vote you for inactivity lol.

I don't honestly know what the benefit of notes can be either. ;-; But that isn't automatically scummy to me.

Yes, I voted you. So you didn't, then why?

Yeah Ran, I voted you/Glyph because you looked scummy, not at all because of inactivity lols. I also assume you were talking about Beat.

@X1: What do you think about the votes on you?

Yeah I meant Beatstick.

FoS: Raziek

I don't like that post. At all. Might vote you, but I wanna hear more from Ran first.

I don't think Raz should die. Zen I would like to die. You/Luxor I would like dead.

Nabe stop role fishing, idiot. Why are you in this game? I'm not telling you **** until I need to.

That's not helpful. Don't ask people why they are in a game. That seems to me a little personal.

So are you saying this is a scum tell for Luxor? Or do you not think it applies to him? If the latter, why? Also this doesn't matter much, but why did you emphasize "is". Emphasizing that part implies that Luxor said something previously about his post, but he didn't so I'm just not understanding the emphasis here. Can you explain? It seems like you should have emphasized "this" or "genuinely".

Why did you vote for OS again? A simple quote where you explain is fine.
I'm not understanding your game strategy here. Why ask questions now as opposed to yesterday? And I mean the whole day, not just the last few rl days before the deadline. You ignored questions for a large part of the day, and didn't ask many of your own other than when you first started posting. So yeah what makes d2 question day and d1 do nothing day?

This really shows to me that Ranmaru is just asking question to be asking question. As has most have his questions. I get no feel that he is trying to further develop his reads or catch scum him questions.

Ran, Why did you ask glg those questions? He explained both first of all. And then you say "why or why not" after asking "who do you think should go". That doesn't make sense at all. Why would you ask "why not" after that? It doesn't seem like a genuine flow of thought to me and really makes me think you're just spouting out questions to show that you're here.

I really don't like this. Also why did you not ask me anything??

Unvote; Vote: Ranmaru

Can you ecplain what you're saying here? I don't understand >_>.

You shouldn't think someone is scum for this. Just look on wiki and you'll know his role does exist (I think it should be on there.. You shouldn't try and meta the set up and think someone is scum because you don't see how there role is pro-town. At least in this case. Because it has in fact been used as a town role.

I want to know why he would be voting OS. I think he is wrong about Raziek.

I didn't have a question for you at the time.

yeah no you can die.

unvote: vote Raziek

No, GLG. I think X1 should die for that, not RAZ. I mean, srs, X1's reasoning was soooooooooooooo stupid.

Ran, next time you're on, talk about what people have said about you this Day. Zen says you just ask questions for the sake of asking questions. What do you think about that?
Also, who do you wanna lynch toDay?

Luxor, is Raz your strongest scum pick toDay? If no, then who is? If yes, then why aren't you voting him?

Will decide between Ran and Raz after Ran's response.

I ask questions because something comes up in my mind that makes me want to know why they said/did something or just their thoughts.

I'd much rather lynch X1. GLG please vote X1. If not, Zen is better than OS.

Although I do see a possibility of X1/OS.

Raz and Zen are both looking bad. Ran looks bad too, but the other two are looking worse now and are higher up on my hitlist. I'd like to see some more evidence for one of those three before I vote, though.

Raz isn't scummy. Can you state why you think Raz is worse then Zen or me?

Nabe do you have more suspects besides Zen? Seems like you've tunneled him the whole game

Ranmaru: Do you even follow your random questions? Would like to hear who do you think is scum and why (make a case)

OS is just avoiding things, you still ahven't said anything about Ranmaru despite I'm asking you since Day 1

Yes, I do.

Why do you think OS is avoiding you about your questions regarding me, Rajam?

 

[Xivii]

unvote; vote: Overswarm

Forgot about X1's #1320

X1 @ your #1336: It depends on if there is a mafia alinged abductor and OS is mafia. Then I would think that Nichs claim was made up and that OS knew bout it because of how he asked Nich if he could get Adum's role. It just seemed so much like a fake interaction like he already knew the answer. And if there is a mafia abductor then we could assume that there isn't a Jan and Nich's claim is false. Unless Nich can uncover a body that doesn't exist.

 

[ranmaru]

I find it suspicious of OS considering me town. I want X1 dead but I don't want to lose sight of OS being a possible scum partner later in the game.

Also, I think GLG being revived wasn't a smart idea (sorry GLG), but maybe it was if the reviver has limited choices or time. That I am not sure, but I give that person the benefit of the doubt.

Raziek is not scummy to me for claiming early. He only is hurting town by letting scum know of his role without the NEED.

@Raziek: What do you think of scum possibly nk'ing you?

X1/Zen toDAY.

I don't like Luxor and Beat because earlier they seemed to follow him blindly, but for some reason both seem to have had doubts of Zen. I have had doubts of Zen from the beginning. They didn't.

 

[Xivii]

Sigh. Ran do you even know who died during the night...?

 

[ranmaru]

Yes. I thought it was Vult Redux but I had to go back to make sure. I got confused because I was re-reading from page 27 and saw some posts of Vult's I haven't seen before, that I think I responded to.

But yeah, I multiquote what I want to ask about.

 

[Xivii]

Ran, Beat and Luxor were smart players d1.Not sure why either of them are betraying me. You should learn to follow me blindly as well. Why do you think I am scum again? What will you think of me and X1 if OS flips scum? What do you think an OS scum flip would say about you? And who do you think should be looked at if he does flip scum? Also what do you think about Nich currently? Do you believe that he was roleblocked? If so why do you think that over the possibility he is lying?

 

[Xivii]

Also Ran, what do you think happened to Adum?

 

[ranmaru]

No, it would be smart for them to use their own brains. Not blindly following you.

Scum reasons:

Earlier you said X1 and you were Masons. He said you and him weren't. Why would you say this?You compliment Beat and Luxor only because you like them following you without question. That is dangerous. For some reason Luxor and Beat follow voting Glyph after you simply made POSSIBLE SCUM TEAMS WHICH INCLUDED GLYPH.Only persons to legit have put effort to Glyph's/My case against me were Luxor and Rajam. Rajam also somehow missed my responses twice.

You say you will give results IF I flip town. This makes me wonder though because then it seems you may or may not have results, but somehow know I will flip that way... But would scum say this knowing what alignment I am? This confuses me. Also on D1 you said you'd make a case but only came in to vote me many times with emphasis.


If OS flips scum, I'd deff look into X1 over you. (Which I already am, you are less scummy than X1) OS being scum would make sense since he was avoiding talking about me. He seems to distance himself from me. Most are clear that they want me gone, but OS isn't. I say X1/OS because they have been attacking each other from the start and I HAVE SAID THIS. Hmmm... If OS flipped scum, that could be a connection to Nich as well. Nich and OS called each other townie... Scratch that. I think OS would be distancing from Nich too...

I am not sure. Nich had to claim after we put him in L-1. I don't remember what his role does again. *Nich, can you explain your role again please? So scum would know to block Nich somehow.

 

[ranmaru]

Ah, I actually thought Adum could have been the reviver until I read Vult's alignment of "reviver".

He was removed by someone, but why would scum try to do that? He wasn't a threat. I don't understand what could happen. I'd say along with everyone , that he was possibly abducted or jan'd. I don't know what a Janitor is though.

Also, maybe it could have been part of Adum's own role that could make him do that too.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: I mean, OS thinks I'm town. Rajam has been pestering him about me, and he was avoiding. Why would he do that?

His reason for why I'm town scenario confused me. I got off Nich because he claimed, and it seemed legit to me. If I were lynched, I'd hope Nich would be semi-cleared.

GLG didn't seem scum to me. Not lynching possible townies.

 

[Xivii]

Ran@1442:

-I never claimed masons.
-I like Luxor and Beat following me because I know I am town and am the main person I can trust.
-I said I'd claim if you flipped town because if you flipped scum then there would be no reason for people to think I was scum and thus no reason to claim.

Your only legit reason would have been the mason thing which is false.

 

[Xivii]

btw I'm all caught up now. And after reading I definitely think OS is the play. Will post more tomorrow. It's 1am.

 

[Beat!]

Ran, for gods sake, would you please stop claiming what you think was my reasons for voting someone. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You keep trying to discredit my votes. My vote on Glyph was NOT me "blindly following Zen". I've already explained that I didn't like Glyphs responses.
If you're wondering about some of my votes, then ask. Don't say "Beat voted player X because blah blah blah" when it's not true.

I don't honestly know what the benefit of notes can be either. ;-; But that isn't automatically scummy to me.

Yes, I voted you. So you didn't, then why?

What? Seriously, I don't understand this question. You said my vote on you was because of inactivity, when it wasn't, so I called you out for it.

I don't like Luxor and Beat because earlier they seemed to follow him blindly, but for some reason both seem to have had doubts of Zen. I have had doubts of Zen from the beginning. They didn't.

No, it would be smart for them to use their own brains. Not blindly following you.

Make up your mind, lol. Stop contradicting yourself.


Lynch Ran.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow did things move fast, I;ll catch up tomarrow.

13. Red Ryu - Has gotten into the game at a good rate. And his BBR johns were legit, the Lucario panel was so behind. x_x Leaning town.

Really?

Well damn it, I should have pushed discussion harder than I did for them in the Lucario backroom.

We're almost done, We got 3 more and we pretty much got our final numbers after that.

 

[Overswarm]

I find it suspicious of OS considering me town. I want X1 dead but I don't want to lose sight of OS being a possible scum partner later in the game.

Also, I think GLG being revived wasn't a smart idea (sorry GLG), but maybe it was if the reviver has limited choices or time. That I am not sure, but I give that person the benefit of the doubt.

Raziek is not scummy to me for claiming early. He only is hurting town by letting scum know of his role without the NEED.

@Raziek: What do you think of scum possibly nk'ing you?

X1/Zen toDAY.

I don't like Luxor and Beat because earlier they seemed to follow him blindly, but for some reason both seem to have had doubts of Zen. I have had doubts of Zen from the beginning. They didn't.

EBWOP: I mean, OS thinks I'm town. Rajam has been pestering him about me, and he was avoiding. Why would he do that?

His reason for why I'm town scenario confused me. I got off Nich because he claimed, and it seemed legit to me. If I were lynched, I'd hope Nich would be semi-cleared.

GLG didn't seem scum to me. Not lynching possible townies.

I have said that I considered you null, not town. Null because you didn't post anything and I don't consider inactivity in of itself a straight scum tell, just calculated inactivity.

 

[X1-12]

?

What do you mean? When exactly did that read start in your opinion, and at what point did I abandon it?

After questioning you on your #1207 you say you think there is an indie tell from Cdubs, yet you abandon it straight away, do not follow it up at all. This is scummy.

 

[Overswarm]

After questioning you on your #1207 you say you think there is an indie tell from Cdubs, yet you abandon it straight away, do not follow it up at all. This is scummy.

When did I abandon it? Is it because I'm not a one track mind?

I've been asking questions to multiple players in this game and have approached the "CDubs as indie" topic and have gotten CDubs to post more often.

Hell, I'll take you seriously for half a second.

Reverse chronological order.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12178491&postcount=1400

Post on everyone time at the request of OS. Will not be making this super in depth atm, feel free to ask for clarifications.

At the request of... ME?! You'd almost think I was asking him to put his reads out there because he's been completely nonexistant in this game and only comes in when a wagon has already started that he can safely jump on.

Because Overswarm is following his lead, CDubs posts information. Or did you have something else in mind for finding an independent? Because an indie sure as hell isn't going to have connections that make sense. They're completely arbitrary; by definition, a single indie won't have connections.

However, it is important for an indie to manage those connectinos in such a way that he isn't going to end up being called scummy later for supporting or blasting the wrong person. So most new indie players often end up playing this wait-and-see game and just wait until the ball gets rolling, then jump on a wagon. Some townies do this too (I often do it when I'm in multiple games on D1 to make the game easier on me mentally, let others do the legwork), but those townies wil end up posting reads and having conviction and, eventually, their own reads.

CDubs here gives a large post with lots of posts backing it. This is a good trait to have in a poster, but it's also kind of telling. It means that CDubs is actively looking for information rather than simply stating it outright. This is something to keep in mind. While it is good play, it also means that he could be creating these reads on the fly. You have to make sure his (few) previous statements coincide with his more recent statements, and that a logical progression can occur to reach any changes between the prior and the recent, as well as the potential.

I mean, look at the post. He's got a league of links to direct posts all throughout. That means he's doing what I'm doing right now: a page by page read to get information. In my case, I'm responding to a single claim. You say "You're not following your CDubs lead and that's scummy" (which, btw, is stupid. Why would someone claiming someone as indie and not pursuing them make any sense for scum or town? That would be a null read in most situations), I say "**** you, pay attention and stop spouting bull****". CDubs isn't responding to a single claim, he's responding to a request for information.

His precision and diligence isn't bad. In fact, I wish all townies did it. But, if he is indie, it is quite possible that his specificity will be his downfall.

That's one ****ing post at the end of the last page that could have told you all that.

But I'm gonna go on, and you're gonna read this entire post.


Oh, and you'll learn something too.

Here's some mafia 101 for you.

Posting frequency can be a tell.

For example: I post a frequent amount. I can become busy and disappear for a day or two, but for the most part I'm able to post a lot. If you post something and I don't see it, did I not see it, or did I just not respond? You never know for sure and have to guess, but because I'm active you generally would assume that I just skimmed it and left it to rot.

Look at CDubs. He posts rarely, and generally in large amounts. How often does he keep up with the thread? Do you know?

I do.

If you're in a room full of people, and you know one of them has been involved in something, when they pop up and say things like the above, it should stand out.

You basically decided to make a statement on the abductor that said.... nothing. All it does is say "well, there might be an abductor but we'll see! Carry on, folks". There's no reason for anyone other than the abductor to say that.

This is RIGHT BEFORE you say "you're not following your CDubs read". Pay attention, X1.

@ OS. I am willing to make a post on every player in the game. To be honest, I'd rather wait until ff could post, but thats still another day now so whatever. BEFORE I do so, I want to see an explanation on why you think this statement indicates I am an indie.

What's that? CDubs still talking to OS? It's almost as if CDubs has been posting almost solely about and to OS since OS brought up the indie stuff.

@CDubs

Make a post on what you think of every player in this game. Give reasoning for anything important.

Me yesterday at 1:00 p.m.

You know what I'm going to be doing in three hours? Celebrating the one day anniversary of this post.

Luxor, what do you think of CDubs?

What made you uneasy?

Oh wait, my bad. This was at 11:13 a.m., where I asked someone else about CDubs. I guess I'll celebrate then.

@X1

This is what I was asking if you caught. You see it?

Me on the 12th at 7:57 p.m., the start of your knowledge of my read on CDubs....

and right after me making a post on CDubs.


In short, you're making **** up X1. Maybe you're too blind to see my posts as probing CDubs. Maybe you think running into someone full force is the only way to get things out of them. I don't care. All I care about is you stop wasting my time with your faux-pressure and voting for false reasons.


You still think I haven't been following my read on CDubs? Pay attention.


I'll just leave this here:

Your play has been pretty bad town play, X1. I'm unsure of your alignment as of yet; you could just be playing incredibly poorly. But you're setting yourself up for failure by following empty wagons. If you want to be taken seriously by people other than newbies, you've got to have SOME backing to your claims. Despite playing as if you're a vig that can kill someone and making tons of threats, you've not really "convinced" anyone. GLG has his reasons to vote for me. They might be good, might be bad, but they are his. CDubs has his reasons to vote for me. Might be good, might be bad, but they are his.

Who has been persuaded by you? You're just a guy in a mob screaming, and no one knows why you're there.

Granted, this helped me get a read on CDubs a great deal, but it's still not good play.

Oh look, I talked about CDubs there too. Oh well, you must have missed the majority of my posts.

 

[X1-12]

With only one exception, all of the quotes you just pulled up occurred after my #1365, the post where I originally called you out for not following up your read? If we look at the single exception - the post does not qualify as you following up on your read.

Luxor, what do you think of CDubs?

What made you uneasy?

You're not questioning CDubs, you're asking others about him. How does this in help you reading CDubs? It does not.

 

[Overswarm]

With only one exception, all of the quotes you just pulled up occurred after my #1365, the post where I originally called you out for not following up your read? If we look at the single exception - the post does not qualify as you following up on your read.

That's your response? Really? "Nuh uh"?

First of all, you say "I originally called you out on this and THEN you posted about it!!!"

Even if that were true, that's not the argument.

Unvote
Vote: Overswarm

Nabe trust me, hop off zen for toDay, preferrably onto OS.

Did you know this came before the talks about CDubs? Weird, huh? Almost like you made a decision earlier on and just decided to stick with it.

This post here comes after I'm pressuring Zen. Go ahead and read the Day from start to finish, it isn't that long.

You're not questioning CDubs, you're asking others about him. How does this in help you reading CDubs? It does not.

You can't be serious.

I know you might not be up to par with things more subtle than "EVERYONE VOTE FOR THIS GUY" brigades, but you should really start paying attention.

You seriously don't think that asking questions to other people to get information is a good idea?

More importantly, you don't think that me asking questions about the person you're claiming I'm not pursuing isn't indicative of, oh, I don't know, some sort of pursuit of that player?

You're making **** up, X1. It's not hard to call you out on it.

How about you ask some questions instead of throwing out random votes?

Your play is starting to seem a little desperate to me, but I'm more focused on CDubs and Zen at the moment.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, and X1? Might I ask:

does your complete and total avoidance of my entire initial post imply that you believe that my pressure on CDubs actually existed?

I'd just like to go ahead and hear you say it.

 

[X1-12]

That's your response? Really? "Nuh uh"?

First of all, you say "I originally called you out on this and THEN you posted about it!!!"

Even if that were true, that's not the argument.

That's like someone's girlfriend saying "you never buy me flowers", despite you having bought her flowers recently. Upon confrontation, she says "well, you didn't until I TOLD you to buy me flowers like a year ago".

This is completely untrue, the analogy would more be like a girlfriend saying "you never buy me flowers", then the next day the boy giving her some flowers saying "look its all OK now!!!" You acted scummy, I called you out on it and you started acting less scummy. The original scummy act was still committed.

You seriously don't think that asking questions to other people to get information is a good idea?

No, this is not what I am saying at all. I'm am saying that it in no way shows you pursuing CDubs, which is what this whole thing is about. Please stop misinterpreting my posts.

More importantly, you don't think that me asking questions about the person you're claiming I'm not pursuing isn't indicative of, oh, I don't know, some sort of pursuit of that player?

Explain how your read on Cdubs could benefit from you asking Luxor about him.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Checking thread briefly

OS, I am impressed by your analysis. You have a few things wrong though. I posted quite a lot this weekend because I could. There was stuff to respond to, and I was available to respond to it, so I did. I left my sunday to do all sorts of work, and was at my comp all day, meaning whenever I didn't feel like doing work I'd check the thread.

Admittedly, if I were under fire I would be more likely to check the thread, but that is natural for anyone.

I know I am town, I know that any discussion of me being potentially not town is distracting to the town. Therefore, my goal is to clarify any reasoning regarding any suspicions of me hopefully before a wagon builds.

Also, to respond to this

You'd almost think I was asking him to put his reads out there because he's been completely nonexistant in this game and only comes in when a wagon has already started that he can safely jump on.

Although OS, I was not the first one to vote you, I built my own case against you, however poorly initially worded.

Also I want to make clear that I am giving my stances on people because I was asked to, not because I am "under pressure". Do not expect me to reveal all of my thoughts on everyone fully. I will not make a list of "HEY THESE HERE GUYS ARE TOWN IN MY BOOK".

I will finish large post about people later

Things to quickly address.

About Zen. I think Zen is seriously hemorrhaging at the moment, foaming at the mouth and completely incapable of keeping his **** together. He started the game out being belligerant andseemingly anxious to lynch. I think he is excited to use some power role. I think he is an idiot. I think he is town.

That being said, there is no ****ing way he should be allowed into end game without some serious substantiating of his role claim shenanigans. May as well give him another day. I agree hes an idiot for the way that he handled himself. Lets see what he says day 3. I know "lol j/k guys no news today" is ****ty, and will be ****ty tomorrow. The reason I did not want to spell all of this out earlier is because, if he has a targeting role and gets blocked, by my line of logic if he continues offering nothing then we need to get rid of him. I personally think the claim day 1 was dumb.

Regarding other people that are foaming at the mouth.

X1. Wat? As much as I like lynching OS, you are kinda just saying things to say things. Lets pretend OS didn't follow up on me at all as you so claim, what if he wasn't continuing aggro because, you know, I addressed his concerns? (I'm not saying he is convinced that I am town, but I am saying even if he was, that doesn't make him scummy). Further more we are in a dialogue, even if it isn't him going "OMG CDUBS IS INDIE".

I agree that aspects of OS's scum hunting are not entirely genuine, but even myself find this difficult to point out (other than my super harped upon posts about his #242).

The things you are doing are gigantic red flags in my book. The only reason I have been ignoring them is because your lynch preferneces alligned with mine. Now I don't know if I'm sold on ranmaru, so I am really reconsidering my thoughts on you. If you are scum, i'm betting OS is town. If you come up town, I will resume wanting to lynch OS.

I have to reread later, but I may be OK with lynching X1 (still want to lynch OS).

 

[X1-12]

Cdubs, you are missing my point. I dunno if I ninja'd you but re-read my recent posts.

 

[Overswarm]

This is completely untrue, the analogy would more be like a girlfriend saying "you never buy me flowers", then the next day the boy giving her some flowers saying "look its all OK now!!!" You acted scummy, I called you out on it and you started acting less scummy. The original scummy act was still committed.

That is not correct at all. Did you not read what I wrote?

You said "Overswarm, you are not pursuing your reads and therefore you are scummy".

You openly stated only that CDubs was my "read", while not mentioning Zen... despite linking and referencing a post where I mention Zen as my only read and talk about everyone else mostly being null and wanting them to post more.

Prior to you saying "you are not pursuing your reads and therefore you are scummy", I was pursuing my ZEN read. So much so I made him go ape**** over multiple posts, which I tend to do.

You already knew I had some sort of thought on CDubs. This whole thing started by me asking YOU about CDubs, wondering if you caught the same thing I did. Afterwards, you see a series of legitimate thoughts on CDubs.

Zen and CDubs are separate reads that were both pursued individually at different times. You have had nothing to do with either of them.

No, this is not what I am saying at all. I'm am saying that it in no way shows you pursuing CDubs, which is what this whole thing is about. Please stop misinterpreting my posts.

I asked you how it didn't ,but you didn't say. :\

Explain how your read on Cdubs could benefit from you asking Luxor about him.

Seeing as how Luxor and CDubs had no connections whatsoever, I can see what Luxor had to say. This could imply some sort of connection between the two of them, or perhaps Luxor could say something that CDubs would have to respond to? Maybe I had something planned after that question? Maybe I just wanted to know more about Luxor and CDubs both, and used that question as a springboard? Maybe a million things.

You seriously can't comprehend how you can think to yourself "Man, player X is acting scummy. I'll ask player Y what he thinks about player X" and get useful informatoin?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Yeah Nabe no clears today.

Why did you feel the need to say this?

@Ran: Zen isn't going anywhere toDay. Vote for OS.
@Beat: You've missed my 1401.

 

[Overswarm]

Checking thread briefly

OS, I am impressed by your analysis. You have a few things wrong though. I posted quite a lot this weekend because I could. There was stuff to respond to, and I was available to respond to it, so I did. I left my sunday to do all sorts of work, and was at my comp all day, meaning whenever I didn't feel like doing work I'd check the thread.

Admittedly, if I were under fire I would be more likely to check the thread, but that is natural for anyone.

You'd be surprised. -_-;;

I'm well aware you're not always able to jump into the thread, but knowing you habitually check the thread when you have opportunity is important information, especially when you are under fire. This helps us read your activity easier which, prior to this exchange, was a mystery.

Case in point, Ranmaru. I have no idea what that guy does or where he lives or how often he gets on. I didn't know about you either, but now I do.

I know I am town, I know that any discussion of me being potentially not town is distracting to the town. Therefore, my goal is to clarify any reasoning regarding any suspicions of me hopefully before a wagon builds.

Also, to respond to this



Although OS, I was not the first one to vote you, I built my own case against you, however poorly initially worded.

Also I want to make clear that I am giving my stances on people because I was asked to, not because I am "under pressure". Do not expect me to reveal all of my thoughts on everyone fully. I will not make a list of "HEY THESE HERE GUYS ARE TOWN IN MY BOOK".

I will finish large post about people later

Interesting statements. Being forced to do things because other people ask you is "under pressure" by the way. Only mediocre mafia players consider votes the penultimate method of pressure.

Things to quickly address.

About Zen. I think Zen is seriously hemorrhaging at the moment, foaming at the mouth and completely incapable of keeping his **** together. He started the game out being belligerant andseemingly anxious to lynch. I think he is excited to use some power role. I think he is an idiot. I think he is town.

That being said, there is no ****ing way he should be allowed into end game without some serious substantiating of his role claim shenanigans. May as well give him another day. I agree hes an idiot for the way that he handled himself. Lets see what he says day 3. I know "lol j/k guys no news today" is ****ty, and will be ****ty tomorrow. The reason I did not want to spell all of this out earlier is because, if he has a targeting role and gets blocked, by my line of logic if he continues offering nothing then we need to get rid of him. I personally think the claim day 1 was dumb.

Substantial read, ample evidence for your thought process.

I believe Zen is still a viable lynch, but only because the "one more day" is something I generally don't agree with. That said, I've been in situations where town has said "you're scum" and I claim a PR and say "give me a day and I can prove it / help town" and they don't do it, and it hurts town tremendously. It's a fine line, and one with Zen's current play I can't immediately accept as town.

Regarding other people that are foaming at the mouth.

Join more games with me.

X1. Wat? As much as I like lynching OS, you are kinda just saying things to say things. Lets pretend OS didn't follow up on me at all as you so claim, what if he wasn't continuing aggro because, you know, I addressed his concerns? (I'm not saying he is convinced that I am town, but I am saying even if he was, that doesn't make him scummy). Further more we are in a dialogue, even if it isn't him going "OMG CDUBS IS INDIE".

I agree that aspects of OS's scum hunting are not entirely genuine, but even myself find this difficult to point out (other than my super harped upon posts about his #242).

The things you are doing are gigantic red flags in my book. The only reason I have been ignoring them is because your lynch preferneces alligned with mine. Now I don't know if I'm sold on ranmaru, so I am really reconsidering my thoughts on you. If you are scum, i'm betting OS is town. If you come up town, I will resume wanting to lynch OS.

I have to reread later, but I may be OK with lynching X1 (still want to lynch OS).

My read on X1 is similar to your read on Zen. It's hard to read X1 not because he's clever, but because he thinks in a very ego-centric manner. "I am town, and I see X wrong with player Y because he did Z, so everyone will believe me" seems to be his general thought process.

You haven't been in mayn games with X1, but he is essentially the "me too" of the "big dog". X1's "big dog" is normally Swiss, but I haven't seen that lately and X1 may be attempting to create his own identity. That said, he hasn't quite learned to create a complete case on his own and instead will take one point and vote for that one reason until it gets destroyed, and then simply finds another reason to vote for the same person. If he doesn't have someone else to follow, he just goes straight towards somebody. It's odd, because it isn't even really "easy targets". He just kinda picks someone and goes for it, and I can't pick that out as scum or twon play. It's anti-town for sure, and doesn't help anyone. Even if X1 found a scum player and got him lynched, to anyone paying attention it looks exactly like a bus and there'd be no information to look back on because X1 doesn't ask any questions worth asking unless you make him.

So I'm not sold on an X1 lynch for toDay, but agree that it is possible.


To continue with my questioning with you CDubs, give me three players you think about be the independent. Narrow it down as much as you can.