Fire Emblem Characters

[Ephraim]

Fire Emblem characters are my favorite characters in Brawl and I thought I would put up a thread to see what fire emblem characters you think should be in brawl.

My list is:
Ike (confirmed)
Soren (FE10)
Marth (FE 1 and 3)
Hector (FE 7)
Ephraim (FE 8)

Since their are so many fire emblem characters I think 5 Fire Emblem characters is a good number.

 

[HollabackRyu]

Wow no Micaiah? You suck!

 

[Ephraim]

She is a good choice, but I prefer Soren over her.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Although some people seem to disagree... Marth is the closest FE character to being in. Third will either be Micaiah (more likely IMO) or Sigurd. Black Knight is... sort of there, but his chances are no where near those of the Micaiah or Sigurd.

 

[Pieman0920]

Yep, the above poster got it mostly right. Marth has the highest chance, and although there are some things holding him down, those reasons are not a lot, and his chances are highest.

Micaiah is a clear third though. Sigurd's chances are really quite poor, since he's too close to Marth/Ike, among other problems. Still he's above Black Knight who's chances have gone down the toilet since E for All (And they were bad before that).

 

[Kirby knight]

I agree with you that the Fire Emblem franchise is very difficult to predict character for, outside of Marth and Ike.

However I would rule out Leaf, as his popularity and importance is lacking when compared to Sigurd and his son Celice. Not to mention the time period it was released in, it would be to much of a gamble in my opinion to incorporate him into Brawl.

Eliwood, and Hector chances are slim at best. Considering Sakurai must have seen all of the Lyndis support outside of Japan but still chose to make her an AT makes me think that she is the most popular lord from FE7. I am basing her analysis of her popularity off of the Nsider boards considering Sakurai himself said he would be looking at the message board for ideas (I'm pretty sure he said that).

So if we can theoretically rule out Leaf, Hector, Eliwood, Lyndis, The FE2 and FE8 lords due to the fact of how their games were received we are left with these options.

Sigurd or Celice - Their would be no point in adding both of them as they are father and son and share very many similarities, the other could become an alt costume of the one chosen for Brawl inclusion. However including them may not be such a good idea since Fire Emblem has been released world-wide; and with no indication of Sigurd's game being translated/remade this may bodies ill for the so called most popular lords in Japan.

You could make an argument against my cause by bringing up this Earthbound/MOTHER 3 things to which I don't have a counter for, however since Earthbound/MOTHER has not had a world-wide release the inclusion of Lucas in brawl could give Nintendo the incentive to bring the series out of Japan for a world-wide release.

Overall it seems the only reason for a Sigurd inclusion is his popularity, personally I could not see Sigurd being entirely unique from Ike and Marth; who's sure to return.

Moving on to Roy, based on analyzing many of the Roy fans on smashboards it would seem the many of them are unaware of his game at all (FE6), Roy has gained most of his popularity and adoration from his Melee appearance and not his appearance in his respective game. Not to mention that Roy was added into Melee for a promotion for Fire Emblem 6 which can tribute most of his sales success to Roy's inclusion. Roy has filled this role, and what is incentive to stay in Brawl other than popularity? As with Sigurd I feel a Roy addition would be entirely to similar to Ike and Marth's who's sure to return.

Now for Fire Emblem the Radiant Dawn's star, Micaiah. seeing as this is her official thread I don't feel I need to elaborate more on her, though I think I will offer a more detailed opinion once I finish Radiant Dawn.

So in my mind the most likely candidates other than Marth and Ike are: Sigurd and Micaiah and Roy regrettably. Though Marth and Ike could be the only Fire Emblem representatives however I feel that after the inclusion of Marth and Roy in Melee, and the expansion of the Fire Emblem series's popularity now that is has been released world-wide makes me think the the Fire Emblem series will at least get one more rep.

Oh well, I hope this isn't to tl;dr but these are my thoughts on the Fire Emblem candidates for Brawl.

This is what I posted in the official Micaiah thread regarding Fire Emblem candidates. No non lord will get a playable spot TC, so it's foolish to even think of someone who isn't.

-Knight

 

[Deleted member]

I personally think Ike's very early inclusion was an evolution of the planned Sigurd from Melee and 64.

Marth may return. I hope he does, I mained both Link and him in Melee.

Micaiah? It looks like I'll love FE10, but I don't honestly see what the fuss is about. Sure, she's a girl, but Sakurai isn't some kind of super-pimp! Tellius has one representative, and I think it'll stay that way.

I seriously (hand on heart here) believe Ephraim will be the third. The only thing against him is his fairly mediocre game (which still sold suprisingly well); apart from that the signs are good.

 

[Kirby knight]

I personally think Ike's very early inclusion was an evolution of the planned Sigurd from Melee and 64.

Marth may return. I hope he does, I mained both Link and him in Melee.

Micaiah? It looks like I'll love FE10, but I don't honestly see what the fuss is about. Sure, she's a girl, but Sakurai isn't some kind of super-pimp! Tellius has one representative, and I think it'll stay that way.

I seriously (hand on heart here) believe Ephraim will be the third. The only thing against him is his fairly mediocre game (which still sold suprisingly well); apart from that the signs are good.

Could you point me to legitimate proof that Sigurd was planned in both Melee and 64?

Also you really have a bland understanding of Micaiah if you think the main reason why people think she should get in is that she's female? So what? Being female is just a bonus to what other unit properties she brings to the table.

And, lol Ephraim you've got to be kidding me? Sakurai would be ransacked by Japanese Fire Emblem fans for adding a lackluster lord from a lackluster game. He's not going to get in he doesn't have have popularity like Lyndis had and look what happened to her? Popularity should never be the "only" deciding factor, but it is a factor that has to be taken into consideration.

-Knight

 

[Biggie Smalls]

No. Just no. The Roster is more like

1.Ike
2.Black Knight/Miciah
3.Marth

 

[Kirby knight]

I think I'll make a summary of my tl;dr post. In my opinion the most likely FE characters are:

1. Marth
2. Miaciah
3. Sigurd
4. Roy

*characters presented are in no particular order >_>

-Knight

 

[Ephraim]

Soren and Ephraim are my favorite, but I know Soren has almost no chance of being in, even though he was on Sakurai's poll.

 

[Chaosblade77]

I think I'll make a summary of my tl;dr post. In my opinion the most likely FE characters are:

1. Marth
2. Miaciah
3. Sigurd
4. Roy

*characters presented are in no particular order >_>

-Knight

I pretty much agree with that order actually. Micaiah and Sigurd are close though.

Micaiah does have a few things over Sigurd though.

1. Means little, but she is female.

2. She is not a sword user. Fire Emblem is a diverse game, consisting of many types of magic, bows, swords, lances, and axes. Putting three sword wielding lords in the game can easily be off putting, as it makes the game seem very bland to those who have not played it or do not know much about it. "So Fire Emblem is just a game full of blue haired swordsmen?"

3. Look how the advertising went with FE6? Even though the game was not well received, it sold VERY well. It was because of Roy's inclusion in Smash Brothers, so including Micaiah to promote RD would certainly be beneficial.

4. She was in an international release, and Sigurd has not been released internationally yet*. Sakurai wants to stay away from Japanese only characters, he has admitted to that. So it gives her a slight edge.

* - Wikipedia says on the Wii Menu page that Nintendo is going to release the entire Fire Emblem franchise internationally via the Wii console, as well as the Mother series. I don't see a source for that though...

"However on the 1st of October 2007, Nintendo released two imported games from Japan (Super Mario Bros. 2, Sin & Punishment) that would be available for download, with these games costing 20% more than their normal price due to import status and some translation work. Nintendo plans to release many other Japanese games to America as well, such as the Fire Emblem and Mother (Known as Earthbound in the U.S) series."


Edit: it's also worth noting that Fire Emblem will be lucky to get three playable characters. Should have two at the very least though, I doubt Sakurai would drop a character from a series.

 

[error_alt_delete]

I think I'll make a summary of my tl;dr post. In my opinion the most likely FE characters are:

1. Marth
2. Miaciah
3. Sigurd
4. Roy

*characters presented are in no particular order >_>

-Knight

I doubt roy AND marth would both get in. I also dont know about sigurd...
but we did see lucas replace ness, so its not that unlikely.
I think miaciah is a probable third or second rep.
but if anything, I dont think we will get more than one character per fighting style.

 

[Kirby knight]

I doubt roy AND marth would both get in. I also dont know about sigurd...
but we did see lucas replace ness, so its not that unlikely.
I think miaciah is a probable third or second rep.
but if anything, I dont think we will get more than one character per fighting style.

As I have stated in my big old quoted post, I feel that both Roy and Sigurd would overlap entirely to much with Marth and Ike if they were to be included, I can't seem them bringing anything new to the table. Though I do realize their significance to have warrant to their inclusion.

If Micaiah was confirmed....well I don't want to get my hopes up so I'm not going to elaborate further.

-Knight

 

[~Krystal~]

Eirika

- Extra FE rep
- Adds a female character
- Rapier user

 

[Chaosblade77]

Eirika

- Extra FE rep
- Adds a female character
- Rapier user

She not only has Ephraim syndrome (unpopular game) but is also another sword user at heart. Rapier still falls under sword

 

[Shuma]

No Micaiah? no Black Knight? you list sucks.

 

[~Krystal~]

She not only has Ephraim syndrome (unpopular game) but is also another sword user at heart. Rapier still falls under sword

Its still a bit different than what Marth & Roy are using.

 

[WindSquirrel]

Popular FE reps:

Ike- confirmed

Marth- Definitley should return, because of the fact that a remake of his game is coming out, and the Fire Emblem icon in Brawl is Marth's sword.

Miciah (sp?)- She's hawt. I approve

Black Knight- Ike fills the role for the heavy and extremley slow character, so I guess he doesn't have good chances

Sigurd- I know nothing about him, and people say that he's the most popular lord. Whoever says that Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite lord is WRONG. I somewhat doubt his appearance.

Roy- IIRC, hated amongst FE fans. I heard his game sucked too. I doubt him appearing


Any FE character aside from the above sucks too much

 

[Chaosblade77]

Its still a bit different than what Marth & Roy are using.

It is, rapiers cannot slash (well they can but it would be about as effective as hitting your enemy with a straightened metal coat hanger).

She would certainly have to have a stabbing attack style that would give her a unique moveset, and she does have that benefit.

But look at all of the "Anti-sword user" posts around. The majority of them wouldn't see a difference.

"zomg swooooooooooord"

 

[WindSquirrel]

It is, rapiers cannot slash (well they can but it would be about as effective as hitting your enemy with a straightened metal coat hanger).

She would certainly have to have a stabbing attack style that would give her a unique moveset, and she does have that benefit.

But look at all of the "Anti-sword user" posts around. The majority of them wouldn't see a difference.

"zomg swooooooooooord"

Marth used a rapier in his games, and definitley could use more stabbing attacks in Brawl.

 

[~Krystal~]

It is, rapiers cannot slash (well they can but it would be about as effective as hitting your enemy with a straightened metal coat hanger).

She would certainly have to have a stabbing attack style that would give her a unique moveset, and she does have that benefit.

But look at all of the "Anti-sword user" posts around. The majority of them wouldn't see a difference.

"zomg swooooooooooord"

So what? No one *****ed when Lyn ideas were floating around prior to the AT. Let them moan all they want as they use Link, Ike, & Meta Knight for the upteenth time.

 

[Shuma]

The main diference is that Lyn had a considerable fanbase and is loved by all, and her game was awesome...

unlike the "sacred stones".

 

[Chaosblade77]

Well, Lyn has an huge fanbase worldwide. I wouldn't call her game awesome, it's not looked at well by the Japanese for sure (none of the GBA releases were)

But I did see a lot of "No Lyn, she will just be another sword user like Marth and Roy, we don't need another clone, etc, etc" when she would also have the potential for completely unique moveset, possibly stealing three moves from Marth at most.

I do not disagree that Erika could be a unique character, but she lacks a fanbase, her game was is considered the second worst FE release, and there is still the entire question of "will Fire Emblem get a third rep?!?!"

 

[Deleted member]

WTF?

I really have no idea why an unpopular game makes you less possible, seriously. FE8 was recent, had great mechanics, and sold fairly well. The only thing going against it was it was very easy. Hey, I liked it.

And I still think Ephraim is the most likely FE rep, considering Tellius has a rep, Ike may have a Sigurd costume (MAY!), Lyn was AT'd, and Alm and co. are positively ancient.

As was posted earlier, I can't post you EXACT parts about Sigurd in Melee, or 64, but apparantly he was considered, turned down in 64 and replaced by Roy in Melee. I dunno, PM SamuraiPanda .

And I doubt FE will get a rapier-weilder (though I pray LoZ does!).

 

[Chaosblade77]

WTF?

I really have no idea why an unpopular game makes you less possible, seriously. FE8 was recent, had great mechanics, and sold fairly well. The only thing going against it was it was very easy. Hey, I liked it.

And I still think Ephraim is the most likely FE rep, considering Tellius has a rep, Ike may have a Sigurd costume (MAY!), Lyn was AT'd, and Alm and co. are positively ancient.

As was posted earlier, I can't post you EXACT parts about Sigurd in Melee, or 64, but apparantly he was considered, turned down in 64 and replaced by Roy in Melee. I dunno, PM SamuraiPanda .

And I doubt FE will get a rapier-weilder (though I pray LoZ does!).

It's a FE game, that in general makes it good. But among FE games, it's considered one of the worst. And popularity got Lyn to AT sadly, and, her worldwide* fanbase makes Ephraim's look like 3 kids sitting in a treehouse.

Although he could offer an original moveset, that is quite literally all he has to offer. He was a poor character (in terms of development in game), coming from an unpopular game, with a small fanbase compared to many other FE lords, and even non-lords. Mia's fanbase is massive, but she has no chance of getting in Brawl just because she is not a lord. I think she was even on Sakurai's poll?

Anyway, there are many reasons against he and Erika, although their game could potentially get some representation, it's less than likely.

My example is the Pokemon series. It proves that Smash Brothers does not look at specific parts of a series, but rather, takes the series as a whole and picks from that. That is why the playable roster is loaded with first generation Pokemon.

Likewise, Fire Emblem would pretty much compile a list of the potential characters (basically, the lords) and choose those which are the most popular, most original, and least clonish. Ephraim couldn't be a clone, but he certainly lacks in popularity and originality...

 

[Roy-Kun]

Popular FE reps:

Ike- confirmed

Marth- Definitley should return, because of the fact that a remake of his game is coming out, and the Fire Emblem icon in Brawl is Marth's sword.

Micaiah (sp?)- She's hawt. I approve

Sigurd- I know nothing about him, and people say that he's the most popular lord. Whoever says that Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite lord is WRONG. I somewhat doubt his appearance.

Roy- IIRC, hated amongst FE fans. I heard his game sucked too. I doubt him appearing

Any FE character aside from the above sucks too much

Black Knight was removed, he already sucks as a villian, too generic. And Roy's game suck? You know nothing.

Marth, Sigurd, Roy and Ike is my ideal roster, focus on one FE hero per saga (excluding FE2 and FE8, the least liked FE games).

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Let's not forget the "Roy-syndrome" **** that Roy and Micaiah are accused of having. (Being more popular in Smash than they are in FE)

But since the roster for potential characters is so huge who knows what Sakurai might do.

 

[WindSquirrel]

And Roy's game suck? You know nothing.

I've never played it, but tons of FE fans hated his game, so it's safe to assume that it sucked.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think we'll have about three.

1. Ike
2. Marth since he's the original Fire Lord and fights differently from Ike.
3 Micaiah or any mage.

 

[Roy-Kun]

I've never played it, but tons of FE fans hated his game, so it's safe to assume that it sucked.

Tons? Fire Emblem 6 is the third best-selling. And i've seen that people like it, not as much as the others (excluding FE7, FE2 and FE8) but still liked, not hated.

The game is liked, the ones who you might mean are FE2 and FE8.

 

[SonicLuigi]

marth is most lilkely to return.....but u never know....he couldnt and there might be others

 

[Intercept]

Just because a game sold a lot of copies doesn't it make it good and/or liked. The reason it sold so much? Roy was in Melee. You will probably find very few people who have played all the games who would say its in the top 3. Sales do not equal quality or popularity. Roy-Kun, you have even basically said in your post that it was the 4th worst game in the series.

Anyway, back more on topic. Ike is confirmed, and granted how different he is from Marth, Marth is one of the most likely characters to return. I'm thinking that FE will get a 3rd rep, and if they do it will be Micaiah. I've already said why I don't expect Roy to return, and I think Sigurd would be too much like Ike or Marth.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Just because a game sold a lot of copies doesn't it make it good and/or liked. The reason it sold so much? Roy was in Melee. You will probably find very few people who have played all the games who would say its in the top 3. Sales do not equal quality or popularity. Roy-Kun, you have even basically said in your post that it was the 4th worst game in the series.

Anyway, back more on topic. Ike is confirmed, and granted how different he is from Marth, Marth is one of the most likely characters to return. I'm thinking that FE will get a 3rd rep, and if they do it will be Micaiah. I've already said why I don't expect Roy to return, and I think Sigurd would be too much like Ike or Marth.

I'm not sure of my information of being as liked as the other ones, but still FE6 is very liked, i'm sure of it, this is debatable though. And sales is an important part of the popularity, even if it doesn't equals it.

Marth, Sigurd and Ike is the most likely roster, maybe with Roy/Eliwood or Micaiah would enter if there is a 4th spot open.

 

[Rakath]

FE1-3 era characters that are likely:
Marth - No explanation needed.
Sheeda - She might not be a Lord, but when it comes to important characters, she does rank for that game series. She's the main female lead, I can see her making a spot if Marth does.

FE4-5
Sigurd or Celice - I'd rather they don't, they'd set a bad set-up for the characters to add them. They aren't new and they aren't classic, they are simply popular. So far all the Brawl characters are classic (Sonic, Mario, Snake, Pikachu, Kirby gang) or recent (Ike, Zelda cast in their new form, Peach, Lucas). But for their storyline they rank.

FE6-7
... Roy... he's it. Ike kinda undercut Hector, and Roy undercuts his dad.

FE9-10
Micaiah - She's Ike's costar, despite her roy-like popularity. By and by, I DO OWN RD, I DO PLAY IT, AND STILL LIKE MICAIAH.
Elincia, Mist, and Sothe - Similar vein to Sheeda, Elincia was the true "Lord" of 9 in the same sense that most of the Lordlings are exiled/escaped children of overthrown kingdoms. Mist is Ike's little sister and has unique standing in both 9 and 10. Sothe is to Micaiah as Sheeda is to Marth, not likely without Micaiah, but has a shot.
Soren and Ranaulf - Both of these characters share endings with Ike, technically plausable, but not by much. They are sorta Sheeda to Ike. I don't give either much chance.
Mia - LET ME HAVE MY DREAMS.

I didn't touch FE8 as nobody touches FE8 anymore. And while a few of my choices are unlikely, they are not impossible.

 

[Intercept]

No, sales is not a part of popularity. They are completely different. If you were to compare it to people, sales would equal how many people know someone. I know people who are known by hundreds of people, but only liked by a few. Granted, that's a very extreme example. However, Roy's game did probably not sell that many more than that of other lords, and since a lower percent of people who played the game liked him, he really isn't that popular. I will give you that he is very popular among people who play Melee, but have never played a FE game.

 

[skyblue]

1) Marth
2) Micaiah
3) Any other FE character who doesn't use a sword...axes and lances are fine, but JUST NO MORE SWORDS.

 

[Chaosblade77]

No, sales is not a part of popularity. They are completely different. If you were to compare it to people, sales would equal how many people know someone. I know people who are known by hundreds of people, but only liked by a few. Granted, that's a very extreme example. However, Roy's game did probably not sell that many more than that of other lords, and since a lower percent of people who played the game liked him, he really isn't that popular. I will give you that he is very popular among people who play Melee, but have never played a FE game.

Roy's game sold over 500,000 copies. However, he is not liked for his game, he gained nearly all of his popularity from Smash Brothers, that basically sold his game. The game itself was very unpopular even with those sales, and it's not considered a "bad" FE game, but it was not liked in general. None of the GBA ones were.

I don't see an unpopular character (as far as his game fanbase goes, not his Smash Bros fanbase) from a game that was disliked getting in. That basically killed all Elibe representation since Lyn had the biggest worldwide fanbase, although Eliwood was more popular in Japan.

 

[ChronoBound]

Roy's game sold over 500,000 copies. However, he is not liked for his game, he gained nearly all of his popularity from Smash Brothers, that basically sold his game. The game itself was very unpopular even with those sales, and it's not considered a "bad" FE game, but it was not liked in general. None of the GBA ones were.

I don't see an unpopular character (as far as his game fanbase goes, not his Smash Bros fanbase) from a game that was disliked getting in. That basically killed all Elibe representation since Lyn had the biggest worldwide fanbase, although Eliwood was more popular in Japan.

Micaiah is also starting to be disliked by Fire Emblem fans. Judging by your own logic, the only character that would be worthy for Brawl would be Sigurd, seeing as he liked by most people who have played his game and his game was the second-best selling Fire Emblem in Japan.

 

[~Krystal~]

Micaiah is also starting to be disliked by Fire Emblem fans. Judging by your own logic, the only character that would be worthy for Brawl would be Sigurd, seeing as he liked by most people who have played his game and his game was the second-best selling Fire Emblem in Japan.

****, I'd go for Sigurd too. Loved FE4 and glad I was able to patch it with a translator on emulator to know just what was going on.