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Chaosblade77

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Micaiah is also starting to be disliked by Fire Emblem fans. Judging by your own logic, the only character that would be worthy for Brawl would be Sigurd, seeing as he liked by most people who have played his game and his game was the second-best selling Fire Emblem in Japan.
What does that have to do with Roy being unpopular, and who said I did not want Sigurd in Brawl...?
 

ChronoBound

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What does that have to do with Roy being unpopular, and who said I did not want Sigurd in Brawl...?
People say that Micaiah is popular, however, this was just based off her aesthetics and fact that she is a female mage lord. People who have actually played the game have the clearer picture of her, and they don't like it. Why should an unpopular character get precedence over a popular one? Oh and don't go saying that she would be more unique than Sigurd, because Leaf smokes every other Fire Emblem lord when it comes to moveset potential, and actually starred in two games.
 

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Oh please... don't tell me you just posted gamefaqs message boards links trying to pass them off as reputable sources. Even if it is the official Radiant Dawn message board for that site. Again I'm very disappointed with you. I thought you would be taking a variety of samples from a number of sites not just the infamous gamefaqs message boards; truly pathetic.

I mean in the topics you have presented every single person who posted in their didn't all hate Micaiah as you claim. I mean every character has it's haters; don't even try to deny that.

-Knight


 

ChronoBound

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Too bad most Fire Emblem forums are basically abandoned. However, I know one other place that has a lot of Fire Emblem fans. I'll be back in 10 minutes.
 

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People say that Micaiah is popular, however, this was just based off her aesthetics and fact that she is a female mage lord. People who have actually played the game have the clearer picture of her, and they don't like it. Why should an unpopular character get precedence over a popular one? Oh and don't go saying that she would be more unique than Sigurd, because Leaf smokes every other Fire Emblem lord when it comes to moveset potential, and actually starred in two games.
She would be more unique than Sigurd, Leaf doesn't even come into play when comparing Sigurd to Micaiah. However I know you may misread this so I'll say it again, she would be more unique Than Sigurd. I'm not talking about other features as of right now just this one bit.

I mean your basicly lying to be honest, I have not seen the vast majority of the gamefaqs message board saying they hate how Micaiah is in battle and hate her character personality and relevance to the overall story of Radiant Dawn.

-Knight
 

Chaosblade77

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Here's just a few topics of what I have seen of people disliking Micaiah:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39496072 - I see a lot of support for her too.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39515508 - Some support, but mostly dislike.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39472995 - Most of the dislike is not based around her but her stats in FE, which do not relate to Brawl. See Ike for details
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39451456 - Again, completely about her stats... that is the entire discussion.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39473272 - Looks stat based again, although it's not very specific. The topic is hardly about her.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932999&topic=39520482 - Some dislike based around her "racism" in game. I don't see how that affects her either.

So please don't say I am making stuff up.
I am curious as to why you constantly bring up arguments against Micaiah when no one is even discussing her. You say you hate her so much, but when no one is even talking about her you bring her up...
 

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I am curious as to why you constantly bring up arguments against Micaiah when no one is even discussing her. You say you hate her so much, but when no one is even talking about her you bring her up...
I have no idea why either, I guess his hate for her runs deep. It seems as though he is forgetting the very foundation of the Fire Emblem series; the story telling and the characters. Roy's character development in FE6 was very little and came off as being nice for no reason at all, he had no character depth, after that character depth then stats come into play, not beforehand.

If you can answer these questions ChonoBound, I would be greatful.

1. How is Micaiah's character development in Radiant Dawn on the same level as Roy's character development in FE6? Anyone who has played both of those games can clearly see that Micaiah has more depth than Roy.

2. Why do you hate Micaiah so much? You bring up at every turn and don't stop. Let me remind you again on my stance on this Micaiah issue that you are refusing to move on about. I think Micaiah would be a nice addition to the Brawl roster, I am aware her chances aren't the best, but she has a chance nonetheless.

So far you have shown me people's opinion on her stats, which mean almost nothing at all if you actually know what the Fire Emblem franchise is about, it is about the story, stats come 2nd to that.

-Knight
 

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I have no idea why either, I guess his hate for her runs deep. It seems as though he is forgetting the very foundation of the Fire Emblem series; the story telling and the characters. Roy's character development in FE6 was very little and came off as being nice for no reason at all, he had no character depth, after that character depth then stats come into play, not beforehand.

If you can answer these questions ChonoBound, I would be greatful.

1. How is Micaiah's character development in Radiant Dawn on the same level as Roy's character development in FE6? Anyone who has played both of those games can clearly see that Micaiah has more depth than Roy.

2. Why do you hate Micaiah so much? You bring up at every turn and don't stop. Let me remind you again on my stance on this Micaiah issue that you are refusing to move on about. I think Micaiah would be a nice addition to the Brawl roster, I am aware her chances aren't the best, but she has a chance nonetheless.

So far you have shown me people's opinion on her stats, which mean almost nothing at all if you actually know what the Fire Emblem franchise is about, it is about the story, stats come 2nd to that.

-Knight
Because they are so obnoxious toward the fans of other characters, and have basically gone as far to say as no other character besides her has a realistic shot of being the third Fire Emblem character. She is the new Roy. I like Roy because how he was in Melee, not because of his game btw.
 

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It's ok to hate a character Chronobound, but what you shouldn't do is to not a make a big deal out of it.
 

Chaosblade77

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That didn't answer the question. Also...

Link 1 was about nothing but stats.
Link 2 had nothing to do with anything, it supported her more than anything.
Link 3 is basically a complaint about the support system, it has little to do with Micaiah as a character.
Link 4 is another pointless one that has little to do with anything... she is basically disliked for being from Daien.
Link 5 shows a lot of dislike.
Link 6 shows dislike.
Link 7 is irrelevant... he never said anything about disliking her specifically.
 

Rakath

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Complaint of stats
Complaint of stats
Complaint of SUPPORTING CAST
Complaint of her position in the plot, which if you follow the plot she's their because she follows Pelleas's orders and DISLIKES THEM.
Same person as previous link.
Minor complaint about Micaiah's doing 'stupid stuff' which I assume is the same complaint of her being a good soldier and following Pelleas's orders again.

Micaiah's complaints are based on stats and her King being an @$$hat.

So far her as a character is getting no complaints at all.

I see Micaiah, or Elincia, or even Mist getting a shot before any of the FE4-8 lords. As Brawl is mixing 'classic' and 'recent' FE9/10 make for Recent, FE1/3 make for Classic.
 

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Because they are so obnoxious toward the fans of other characters, and have basically gone as far to say as no other character besides her has a realistic shot of being the third Fire Emblem character. She is the new Roy. I like Roy because how he was in Melee, not because of his game btw.
I have not seen a single person bashing FE characters saying Micaiah is the only deserving rep. Sure, many have their own views on other characters and feel they should not be in, but that does not mean they hate all of the others.

If anything, you are the one being obnoxious because you are the one that ALWAYS brings her up in topics that are not even about her. This topic was mostly related to Eliwood and Roy before you brought up Micaiah, and it has turned into yet another argument about her because you keep posting how much you dislike her.

She is not a sword wielder, and that is the only reason I want to see her in Brawl over other FE lords. I do not say that characters like Sigurd do not have a chance, and Marth's chances are so high above Micaiah's that it is insane.

Who cares if her stats suck, this is not FE, this is not canon to the FE series, it doesn't mean she will have crappy stats in Brawl.
 

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Here are some more (warning some profanity in these links):

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8524645&postcount=515 - This is just a complaint about her stats. Not only that, its more about the RNG than her.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8527863&postcount=572 - This is just an offhand remark about her low defense.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8540556&postcount=677 - This isn't even about her, but her allies and the support system.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8546356&postcount=693
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8556642&postcount=726 - This is a second comment by the same person as the previous link.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8572208&postcount=799
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8597555&postcount=839 - This was an offhanded comment about her doing stupid things. Theres no indication of hate for her there.

Is NeoGAF hardcore enough for you?
Odd how half of those aren't actually evidence of much dislike for her. A few are, yes, but its easy to find a few isolated posts of hate about any character.

Chronobound said:
Because they are so obnoxious toward the fans of other characters, and have basically gone as far to say as no other character besides her has a realistic shot of being the third Fire Emblem character.
I don't understand why you seem to think this, since most of the Micaiah fans around here say nothing of the sort, and many freely admit to the possibility of Sigurd. They look down on characters like Roy, Eliwood, or the Black Knight, sure, but for good reason, since they're honestly unlikely candidates. Perhaps you're thinking of some other boards?

Zevox
 

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I've actually never head of the that forum until now, lol but regardless the majority of those topic's only pertained to her stats, not her role in the story and character development throughout it. Having the best stats in the world does not help you one bit if your personality is lackluster. I can see why Sigurd is respected and blessed with adoration of his fans; it's because he's brave and honest (I haven't played FE4 in ages so my memory is a bit foggy), from the very first chapter he risk's his castles well being to save his childhood friend, he earned my respect for his character by that action alone.

Because they are so obnoxious toward the fans of other characters, and have basically gone as far to say as no other character besides her has a realistic shot of being the third Fire Emblem character. She is the new Roy. I like Roy because how he was in Melee, not because of his game btw.
I can see you discontent with the way some people in regards to the Micaiah situation, I however am not like that in the slightest, I hope you have at least noticed that. I'm merely defending her against your attacks(discontent with her character) I know that there are other Fire Emblem character that have chances of appearing.

It seems as though, I hate to infer but you dislike Micaiah because you fear Roy may be leaving and Micaiah would take up the promotional role? I think I have a better understanding of you if that was to be the case.

-Knight
 

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It seems as though, I hate to infer but you dislike Micaiah because you fear Roy may be leaving and Micaiah would take up the promotional role? I think I have a better understanding of you if that was to be the case.

-Knight
No it is because a second character for Tellius would be over-representing it, and Jugdral and Elibe need a playable representative especially since they did more important things than FE10.

- ChronoBound
 

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No it is because a second character for Tellius would be over-representing it, and Jugdral and Elibe need a playable representative especially since they did more important things than FE10.

- ChronoBound
If one area needed representation to be fair, then how come only Kanto from Pokemon gets reps? What about all the other areas and games that have no playable reps?

Characters are not pulled from specific games, they are pulled from the series. If specific game/area mattered, then there would be less emphases on Kanto for Pokemon. The characters that are generally the most popular, have the best stories in game, and are the most unique have the best chances.

Sure, people dislike Micaiah, but every character is disliked somewhere... some more than others, but she does have a fanbase.
 

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No it is because a second character for Tellius would be over-representing it, and Jugdral and Elibe need a playable representative especially since they did more important things than FE10.

- ChronoBound
Ah, I see, however I look at the Fire Emblem as a whole, I really find this "representing" continents a bit absurd, if your going to pull an argument like that up then you can not exclude FE2 and FE8 simply because they're unpopular.

When I look at a Fire Emblem character, I look for what unique qualities they bring to the table and also how important they were in it's respective games. I don't see representing continents just to represent them (then actually exclude some of them!) holding much ground at all.

-Knight


 

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No it is because a second character for Tellius would be over-representing it, and Jugdral and Elibe need a playable representative especially since they did more important things than FE10.

- ChronoBound
So Zelda should be in her OoT form, Ganon in his Link to the Past form, and Vaati added in his Four Swords form to cover all the bases on Legend of Zelda? We should use G/S/C, R/S/E, and D/P trainers to make sure each game has equal reps?

Ness got swapped out for Lucas, Ness isn't the first Mother hero and he isn't the last, he's lost in the middle. Two reps from FE1/3, and two Reps from FE9/10 covers Classic Fire Emblem (Marth and Sheeda, or whoever else from FE1 seems important enough to rate. Ike and whoever else from FE9/10 covers the latest games).

The chances of Fire Emblem getting a full range of game covers is about the same as Pokemon getting a full range of game covers. Pokemon's top runner for newcomer is Lucario. One Rep from Fourth Gen with 2-4 out of First Gen doesn't seem unfair to me. So a first and latest split isn't unfair either.
 

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Forget it, it is no use talking sense with people who frequent the Miciaiah topic. I will just keep my opinions to my own topics, and I hope her fans will be polite enough to consider the chances of other characters (which probably won't happen).

- ChronoBound
 

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Ah, I see, however I look at the Fire Emblem as a whole, I really find this "representing" continents a bit absurd, if your going to pull an argument like that up then you can not exclude FE2 and FE8 simply because they're unpopular.

When I look at a Fire Emblem character, I look for what unique qualities they bring to the table and also how important they were in it's respective games. I don't see representing continents just to represent them (then actually exclude some of them!) holding much ground at all.

-Knight


Leaf would bring more to the table then Micaiah by far. Leaf can wield any weapon in his game (swords, rapiers, bows, axes, spears, lances) and any magic-type except dark. How come you are not supporting Leaf?

- ChronoBound
 

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Forget it, it is no use talking sense with people who frequent the Miciaiah topic. I will just keep my opinions to my own topics, and I hope her fans will be polite enough to consider the chances of other characters (which probably won't happen).

- ChronoBound
So... my favoring Micaiah (by the way, I'd perfer Mist or Elincia over Micaiah, its just Micaiah has a bit better chances) in Brawl means my opinion doesn't count?

I'm confused as to how this works. So because my stance is in disagreement with yours, my opinion is invalid?

I like the way you think, I'll use that logic too! You're opinion is invalid and will not be taken into account.
 

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Leaf would bring more to the table then Micaiah by far. Leaf can wield any weapon in his game (swords, rapiers, bows, axes, spears, lances) and any magic-type except dark. How come you are not supporting Leaf?

- ChronoBound
Because Leaf is a supporting lord in a Japanese only game? Sure, he could bring a LOT to the table and be an awesome character in that respect, but there is the question of his general popularity (lacking, notice he has few fans posting about him in Brawl). Sigurd is at least known worldwide, regardless of the fact he was Japan only.

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So... my favoring Micaiah (by the way, I'd perfer Mist or Elincia over Micaiah, its just Micaiah has a bit better chances) in Brawl means my opinion doesn't count?

I'm confused as to how this works. So because my stance is in disagreement with yours, my opinion is invalid?

I like the way you think, I'll use that logic too! You're opinion is invalid and will not be taken into account.
No, it's more like he supports characters but cannot back up his support, so it is more like "I know they cannot bring a lot more to the table than these characters, but I like them and want them in Brawl." Since he lacks support for his own points, he attacks other peoples points to try to weaken them and make his choices look better.

Actually I recall him only liking Roy because he reminded him of Crono...
 

y3nia659

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man I wish unpopular characters had a chance so my favorites could at least have a chance :(
 

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I don't feel I can get anywhere with you ChronoBound, it seems like anyone who disagrees with you is automatically labeled a Micaiah fanboy and that they refuse to acknowledge other Fire Emblem characters. Which is obviously not the case, you purposely avoid any question or comments regarding holes in your arguments. I mean even the Black Knight supporters understand what the negatives surrounding him; you refuse and attack anyone or anything that does not agree with your opinion.

Leaf may have all those weapons available to him, but he lacks any sort of popularity, and there is no way that they all could be incorporated into his playing style. I honestly can't really touch otherwise on this Leaf issue because he doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming a playable character in my opinion.

-Knight


 

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Because Leaf is a supporting lord in a Japanese only game? Sure, he could bring a LOT to the table and be an awesome character in that respect, but there is the question of his general popularity (lacking, notice he has few fans posting about him in Brawl). Sigurd is at least known worldwide, regardless of the fact he was Japan only.

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No, it's more like he supports characters but cannot back up his support, so it is more like "I know they cannot bring a lot more to the table than these characters, but I like them and want them in Brawl." Since he lacks support for his own points, he attacks other peoples points to try to weaken them and make his choices look better.

Actually I recall him only liking Roy because he reminded him of Crono...
No, Leaf was only a supporting lord in FE4. He was the main lord of FE5, which many regard as the second-best Fire Emblem behind only FE4. Also, you are confusing me with another poster with a Crono-avatar who said that they liked Roy because of his physical resemblance to Crono.

- ChronoBound
 

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Leaf may have all those weapons available to him, but he lacks any sort of popularity, and there is no way that they all could be incorporated into his playing style. I honestly can't really touch otherwise on this Leaf issue because he doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming a playable character in my opinion.

-Knight



No, I only label people Micaiah fanboys as people who disregard the rest of the Fire Emblem series, and are blind to the potential that other characters could bring. Micaiah, herself is starting to become disliked by Fire Emblem players, so there goes your popularity argument. Also, your high-and-mighty "I am open-minded and you are not" is very disingenuous.

- ChronoBound
 

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lol I was thinking of Celica and Eirika :( but those are good too, and Ayra is really popular or so I hear :D


Oh hey maybe you can answer my question....Is this the list of actual lords of Fire Emblem or is there more Lords?

Marth
Celica
Alm
Sigurd
Celice
Leaf
Roy
Lyn
Hector
Eliwood
Eirika
Ephraim
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No, I only label people Micaiah fanboys as people who disregard the rest of the Fire Emblem series, and are blind to the potential that other characters could bring. Micaiah, herself is starting to become disliked by Fire Emblem players, so there goes your popularity argument. Also, your high-and-mighty "I am open-minded and you are not" is very disingenuous.

- ChronoBound
Popularity should never be the only deciding feature when it comes to a playable character representative. She has popularity it may not be as great as Sigurd, but it still adds to the other things Micaiah brings to the table.

YOU HATE MICIAIAH, AND THAT HATE FOR HER IS BLINDING YOU FROM THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DO INDEED RECOGNIZE THAT OTHER FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS HAVE A CHANCE AS WELL.

Oh lookie I found a message board titled "I hate Sigurd" I guess he's not well liked anymore :< :laugh:

-Knight
 

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Popularity should never be the only deciding feature when it comes to a playable character representative. She has popularity it may not be as great as Sigurd, but it still adds to the other things Micaiah brings to the table.

YOU HATE MICIAIAH, AND THAT HATE FOR HER IS BLINDING YOU FROM THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DO INDEED RECOGNIZE THAT OTHER FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS HAVE A CHANCE AS WELL.

Oh lookie I found a message board titled "I hate Sigurd" I guess he's not well liked anymore :< :laugh:

-Knight
Leaf is also popular among hardcore Fire Emblem fans, Micaiah is just popular among SMash Bros. fans. See how it works. Also, I do recognize other Fire Emblem characters have a chance: Roy, Sigurd, Eliwood, and Micaiah all have good chances of being the third Fire Emblem character. However, each character has their own unique disadvantages and thus does not have a leg up over the other one, it all depends on what Sakurai and his team wants, and since we are unfortunately not developing this game, we don't have a good idea on even how many characters are even going to be in this game. Now do you see. However, personally I would have Leaf being the third Fire Emblem character.

- ChronoBound
 

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Leaf is also popular among hardcore Fire Emblem fans, Micaiah is just popular among SMash Bros. fans. See how it works. Also, I do recognize other Fire Emblem characters have a chance: Roy, Sigurd, Eliwood, and Micaiah all have good chances of being the third Fire Emblem character. However, each character has their own unique disadvantages and thus does not have a leg up over the other one, it all depends on what Sakurai and his team wants, and since we are unfortunately not developing this game, we don't have a good idea on even how many characters are even going to be in this game. Now do you see. However, personally I would have Leaf being the third Fire Emblem character.

- ChronoBound
If FE even gets a third rep. I doubt that myself, and can see only Ike and Marth getting in.
 
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