Fire Emblem Character General Support Thread [WIP]

[Teeb147]

So shouldn't Edelgard be listed somewhere? :O

 

[shocktarts17]

So shouldn't Edelgard be listed somewhere? :O

Hmm yep maybe I should have checked that before I ran my mouth in the Edelgard thread, I'll get that fixed right away.

Not sure how I didn't have her from the start...

 

[Teeb147]

Hmm yep maybe I should have checked that before I ran my mouth in the Edelgard thread, I'll get that fixed right away.

Not sure how I didn't have her from the start...

Ah Ok

She's an axe-wielder so I think she can be a pretty good pick to make it in.
I don't think sword users have to be completely off the table, but I do think it's about time for something more different. Would still take Lyn tho, probably

 

[shocktarts17]

Ah Ok

She's an axe-wielder so I think she can be a pretty good pick to make it in.
I don't think sword users have to be completely off the table, but I do think it's about time for something more different. Would still take Lyn tho, probably

Honestly while I really like her design I feel like I'd like to see a little more of her before I really go all in on supporting her. The potential of an axe wielding magic user sounds good, and her design appears to avoid the "waifu-bait" that Fire Emblem is starting to become known for so she has a lot of potential. I just think I want to see her personality before I commit fully.

 

[Teeb147]

Honestly while I really like her design I feel like I'd like to see a little more of her before I really go all in on supporting her. The potential of an axe wielding magic user sounds good, and her design appears to avoid the "waifu-bait" that Fire Emblem is starting to become known for so she has a lot of potential. I just think I want to see her personality before I commit fully.

I trust nintendo to make her interesting enough
If they time it right we'll see more of her,enough before she'd come to smash.
But yeah, axe + magic would be awesome. But of course, there's plenty of FE chracters to root for regardless.

 

[shocktarts17]

I trust nintendo to make her interesting enough
If they time it right we'll see more of her,enough before she comes to smash.
But yeah, axe + magic would be awesome. But of course, there's plenty of FE chracters to root for regardless.

I want to trust IS but it's not like some of their characters haven't been pushed for their...assets with their personality being secondary.

That's of course not to say you can't make a fan service character interesting, Camilla has a pretty tragic back story that actually explains her personality pretty well, but its still feels more like an after thought when her cut scenes have her walking seductively towards her adopted brother/sister.

But again, Edelgard so far doesn't appear to be that kind of character so I remain hopeful.

 

[Teeb147]

I want to trust IS but it's not like some of their characters haven't been pushed for their...assets with their personality being secondary.

That's of course not to say you can't make a fan service character interesting, Camilla has a pretty tragic back story that actually explains her personality pretty well, but its still feels more like an after thought when her cut scenes have her walking seductively towards her adopted brother/sister.

But again, Edelgard so far doesn't appear to be that kind of character so I remain hopeful.

Sure. and the game looked epic enough from the trailer. I can see it being a hit, tho the name of the game could feel a bit more grand.
I tend to look more at the design than the personality tho. But of course it matters a lot too.

 

[SPEN18]

her design appears to avoid the "waifu-bait" that Fire Emblem is starting to become known for

Don't speak to soon

watch them put her on the next FEH summer banner, since Three Houses may be out by then

and yeah, Edelgard could end up being a good character for Smash, but I couldn't really say that with any certainty when I don't know how I feel about her personality or her game

 

[Opossum]

Edelgard has a really cool design and, from a unit perspective, magic+axes+swords is a neat combination that has only been done one other time in the series (Awakening's take on Dread Fighters), so that's neat.

Hoping she's well-written at least.

 

[shocktarts17]

Don't speak to soon

watch them put her on the next FEH summer banner, since Three Houses may be out by then

and yeah, Edelgard could end up being a good character for Smash, but I couldn't really say that with any certainty when I don't know how I feel about her personality or her game

Ehh while FEH is by far the worst offender of "waifu-bait", I don't think I will hold it against Edelgard if the only way she is "waifu'ed" is in a FEH summer banner. No one talks about Tana or Innes when they mention the summer banners because their personalities are developed in their games and them being in swimsuits is just a one time thing. As long as Edelgard is shown to have a developed personality then what happens in FEH beyond that won't change my opinion of her.

 

[SPEN18]

Ehh while FEH is by far the worst offender of "waifu-bait", I don't think I will hold it against Edelgard if the only way she is "waifu'ed" is in a FEH summer banner. No one talks about Tana or Innes when they mention the summer banners because their personalities are developed in their games and them being in swimsuits is just a one time thing. As long as Edelgard is shown to have a developed personality then what happens in FEH beyond that won't change my opinion of her.

I mean, it was more of a joke than a serious comment, but yeah, FEH is just a spin-off.

I still think Tana is a nice character, for example

 

[_Sheik]

Hey, so... am I the only one who feels like making BK an Ike echo would be a complete disservice to the character? Like Dark Samus was downgraded so much when she became a playable character.

Here's my take on an unique BK: keep the character 1:1 to his assist trophy. He can't run but he can still double-jump, air-dodge, and has super armor all the time. And if you're worried that fast characters like Fox or Samus can easily outrun him and inflict chip damage to him by spamming projectiles, well, just give him the Alondite's big-ass shockwave (which Ike should also have) so he can repel it all. Just make sure that move has some non-negligible starting or end lag so he can't overuse it. His up-B would be his teleportation powder and work just like Mewrwo's up-B. Side-B is the same as Ike, so he still has two nice recovery options in spite of his limited movement on the ground. And down-B is a counter

 

[shocktarts17]

Hey, so... am I the only one who feels like making BK an Ike echo would be a complete disservice to the character? Like Dark Samus was downgraded so much when she became a playable character.

Here's my take on an unique BK: keep the character 1:1 to his assist trophy. He can't run but he can still double-jump, air-dodge, and has super armor all the time. And if you're worried that fast characters like Fox or Samus can easily outrun him and inflict chip damage to him by spamming projectiles, well, just give him the Alondite's big-*** shockwave (which Ike should also have) so he can repel it all. Just make sure that move has some non-negligible starting or end lag so he can't overuse it. His up-B would be his teleportation powder and work just like Mewrwo's up-B. Side-B is the same as Ike, so he still has two nice recovery options in spite of his limited movement on the ground. And down-B is a counter

I mean you're more or less describing a semi-clone, which I think would be the best representation for Black Knight. They had the same sword fighting teacher and fight using swords that are both from the same set, they should have a decent amount of similarity in their fighting. I agree that warp powder and a shockwave would make good specials but even then the rest of his attacks would probably be similar to Ikes in the way he wields his sword.
That said, as cool as BK is I don't think he has a chance to get in as anything but an echo since Fire Emblem already has several reps and he comes from an older game.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That said, as cool as BK is I don't think he has a chance to get in as anything but an echo since Fire Emblem already has several reps and he comes from an older game.

That, and just about anyone that isn't a Lord and/or main character is completely skipped over. It's gotten to the point of absurdity when even recurrers like Anna haven't been considered.

 

[shocktarts17]

That, and just about anyone that isn't a Lord and/or main character is completely skipped over. It's gotten to the point of absurdity when even recurrers like Anna haven't been considered.

Idk I'd argue that while Lucina is a central character in Awakening, she isn't a main character/lord like the others. And the problem is that Fire Emblem has a ton of main character/lords, so then if you start putting in secondary characters over main characters it could feel weird. Just look at the reaction when Robin and Lucina got in over Chrom. While Anna might be a unique situation where that wouldn't really apply, if say Camilla got in over Corrin I think a lot of people wouldn't be very happy about that.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Idk I'd argue that while Lucina is a central character in Awakening, she isn't a main character/lord like the others. And the problem is that Fire Emblem has a ton of main character/lords, so then if you start putting in secondary characters over main characters it could feel weird. Just look at the reaction when Robin and Lucina got in over Chrom. While Anna might be a unique situation where that wouldn't really apply, if say Camilla got in over Corrin I think a lot of people wouldn't be very happy about that.

Yeah. And even some main chars aren't guaranteed to get in no matter what (see Blazing Blade and Sacred Stones).

I honestly wonder if IS has become subconsciously aware of Sakurai's picks from FE barely having variety and started to change things up a little from Fates onwards (outright turns into a freaking dragon, and now there's Edelgard, the most viable Three Houses pick, who can use both swords and axes, though I'm not sure if she is a "main" character).

People still aren't happy with FE inclusions mainly using swords, and that has caused problems for character variety there. So really, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

 

[SPEN18]

In the case of Anna, she hasn't really had a major role on par with a main character's which is part of why she hasn't made it. She is decently popular and can use a variety of weapons, but I feel like we still have a few more of the main characters that would get in before her (namely Lyn and possibly Ephraim or Sigurd if they can make the mount work somehow).

With side characters, the corresponding main character already being in the game is kinda a soft prerequisite. It's hard to justify Caeda or Tiki over Marth, and it's hard to justify Black Knight without Ike. At least most of the most popular FE characters are main characters so it kind of works out for the most part, though.

I do, however, give Leif a special mention; the poor dude is overshadowed by a non-playable enemy within his own game. Add in the fact that Binding Blade was made just early enough for Roy to make it into Melee, and just like that Leif is sent to the depths of obscurity. He even got the short end of the stick in Heroes compared to the rest of the sword protagonists (I was really surprised he didn't have Distant Counter on his weapon, but no that would make too much sense compared to the other stuff they give DC). And Leif can be a really interesting character with his special weapon.

 

[shocktarts17]

Welp look at me slacking, okay new week new "poll".

Which game should be the next "echoes" game?

 

[EarlTamm]

Guess what?

Tune in 2/13 at 2pm PT for a Nintendo Direct featuring around 35 minutes of information on upcoming #NintendoSwitch titles, including new details on #FireEmblem Three Houses!https://t.co/d1Xx3bUMG0 pic.twitter.com/dExyWiigBr

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 12, 2019

Time for some Three Houses news.

 

[shocktarts17]

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lol but finally, I'm probably a little more hyped for that than Smash news.

 

[SPEN18]

For a FE remake, it'd be nice for them to remake one that wasn't localized, like FE4-6. In fact, they seem to be going pretty much in order and it would probably be sensible to keep that going.

Of course, if they wanna do FE7, that would also be really nice. And hopefully they'd time it just right so that Lyn can sneak into the project plan

And yeah, I'm way more interested in hearing the non-Smash news right now. TH has been a dry well for a while in terms of new info. Plus there's a lot of potential for new games to be announced.

 

[shocktarts17]

Okay I had this thought in the Three Houses thread, but I think it gets less traffic than we do so I'll put it here too.

We should do a prediction "thread" like they are doing in RTC, only just for what we will learn about Three Houses.

• see female Byleth
• get more insight into the story, specifically who the three houses are and tease the big bad
• gameplay videos showing more units as well as at least one new unit

anything else I'm missing?

 

[Opossum]

Okay I had this thought in the Three Houses thread, but I think it gets less traffic than we do so I'll put it here too.

We should do a prediction "thread" like they are doing in RTC, only just for what we will learn about Three Houses.

• see female Byleth
• get more insight into the story, specifically who the three houses are and tease the big bad
• gameplay videos showing more units as well as at least one new unit

anything else I'm missing?

Here's a bingo card I made earlier today, with a mix of safe and unsafe picks.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Well then.

Lyn always wins, baby.

 

[Tetrin]

All this love for Edelgard but I don't see any for Dimitri or Claude

 

[Idon]

All this love for Edelgard but I don't see any for Dimitri or Claude

I'm seeing a LOT of love for Claude actually.

Now Dimitri? No one can get over his dumb hair.

 

[Tetrin]

I'm seeing a LOT of love for Claude actually.

Now Dimitri? No one can get over his dumb hair.

Claude is my boy. I'd love to see him in Smash.

Hey so what if he has dumb hair? Well I guess it's fair, but still...

Also we should collectively promote the hell out of Camilla, maybe that's just me.

 

[Idon]

Claude is my boy. I'd love to see him in Smash.

Hey so what if he has dumb hair? Well I guess it's fair, but still...

Also we should collectively promote the hell out of Camilla, maybe that's just me.

Yeah, it's just you.

 

[TimidKitsune129]

So uh, about Lyn winning.

Spoiler

As it turns out, a lot of units that got really high were also the ones that were in the first screen upon picking a color. The idea that so many people didn't know/didn't bother to scroll the screen is both hilarious and sad.

So about Three Houses, I'm not expecting a character for DLC but if we do get one for some reason I'm expecting it to be Byleth after the recent Direct. Everything seems to be pointing at them being the main character, they also seem to have a prf sword and while unconfirmed, it's speculated that they have some way of manipulating or rewinding time.

I'm digging what I've seen so far regarding the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Edelgard has a really cool design and, from a unit perspective, magic+axes+swords is a neat combination that has only been done one other time in the series (Awakening's take on Dread Fighters), so that's neat.

Hoping she's well-written at least.

What it looks like to me, is that there's potential to learn all sort of weapon types in Three Houses. I think I saw very similar choices in the menu for upgrading skills with all other characters, maybe am wrong though. Also a kind reminder that Corrin also had the potential to use either Staves or Tomes as a promoted unit, but never did. Ike never used axes either, neither do Lucina or Chrom use any sort of lance.

I think Edelgard would probably use a sword in Smash, if she where to get in. Probably her own weapon, which is more than likely a sword, seeing she's mostly based around the 'Hero' archetype of Fire Emblem.

Also, I still say that Byleth is the most likely Three Houses character. Doesn't matter which House you pick in the game, Byleth is gonna be the main character anyway. And that makes him the most logical pick. Claude, Dmitri and Edelgard seem like a more glorified version of characters as Ryoma, Xander and Azura from Fates honestly... Byleth seems most like the typical Lord / My Unit character.

 

[shocktarts17]

Byleth seems most like the typical Lord / My Unit character.

Well Fates was the first game to merge the two so it's hard to say typical but I agree with your overall point, Byleth seems to be clearly more of a Corrin than a Robin.

 

[Deleted member]

Edelgard has an axe in the map gameplay, that's definitely what they want to associate her with and it makes sense considering Byleth, Dimitri and Claude wield Swords, Lances and Bows

 

[shocktarts17]

Okay sorry I didn't post a discussion question last week but I have one for this week!

What house will you be supporting in Three Houses?

 

[Deleted member]

Okay sorry I didn't post a discussion question last week but I have one for this week!

What house will you be supporting in Three Houses?

Currently leaning Black Eagles based on current info. I like Edelgard a bit more than Claude and I like the designs for the other students. Hoping we eventually learn what else changes in the game(if it's just your units or the plot like Fates), if it's permanent(do you eventuaply get the others ala Sacred Stones route split?) and if other units are affected(non-students who I really ****ing hope actually do exist).

 

[NSSKG151]

Okay sorry I didn't post a discussion question last week but I have one for this week!

What house will you be supporting in Three Houses?

Blue Lions for me. Despite what people say about his hair I feel like I am one of the few who is more interested in Dimitri than Edelgard or Claude.

 

[Northadox]

I'm a big Hector fan myself and I decided to make a moveset for him. Sorry if this is a necro or whatever it would be called. I'm not acclimated to forum culture.

Spoiler: Hector Moveset

I think Fire Emblem could use a hearty dose of inspiration and reference in Smash Bros., and I feel like Hector would accomplish that with flying colors. The GBA games are often looked back upon for their beautiful sprite animations, and I think Hector is just about as bombastic as they get. I wasn't able to completely fill out all the attacks, as it can be hard to pick an animation out of many that is distinctly a back air or a down air. I think we're especially fine with FE character representation, but if another Fire Emblem character had to get into Smash, I would adore Hector most over anything else.

 

[Stario]

I'm a big Hector fan myself and I decided to make a moveset for him. Sorry if this is a necro or whatever it would be called. I'm not acclimated to forum culture.

Spoiler: Hector Moveset

I think Fire Emblem could use a hearty dose of inspiration and reference in Smash Bros., and I feel like Hector would accomplish that with flying colors. The GBA games are often looked back upon for their beautiful sprite animations, and I think Hector is just about as bombastic as they get. I wasn't able to completely fill out all the attacks, as it can be hard to pick an animation out of many that is distinctly a back air or a down air. I think we're especially fine with FE character representation, but if another Fire Emblem character had to get into Smash, I would adore Hector most over anything else.

Fantastic moveset idea. Even if Lyn got in, this would still be on the table, due to Pair Up proving that just because a character is in a FS they can't be playable.

 

[Kirbeh]

Crazy idea time. Make every FE character Bowser Jr. Not literally, but with the Koopalings I mean. Every costume is a different character (or at least some of them). Adjust character heights as necessary. Taller characters are a little shorter and shorter characters become a little taller to meet in a happy middle area.

And of course the fighting style would have to fit the character in question. So no turning Ike into a costume and putting him over Marth just because they both have swords. Characters already in Smash are naturally going to be trickier to work around (some outright impossible like Ike/Corrin), but newcomers themed around certain weapons/classes could allow for multiple characters to fit the role.

Example: Weapon Triangle using Marth and two other og FE characters as a base.

Sword - Marth / Alfonse / / Lucina / Eirika / Leif / - Tried to go with characters who would fit with Marth's graceful swordplay.

Lance - Caeda / Sharena / Hinoka / Cordelia / Tana / Est / Catria / Palla - General theme of the lance and pegasus knight/flying unit. Yes, Sharena isn't a flying unit, but I wanted to keep the Heroes trio intact.

Axe - Minverva / Anna / Camilla / Edelgard - This one was just a very general axe theme, but so far focused on females since I used Minerva as the base.

Incomplete and of course there's room to argue over who fits best/should be included to best sate fans' wants/represent the series/particular titles.

- "Focus the axe/lance characters on males to include characters like Hector, Basilio, Ephraim, Camus, Dimitri..."
- "Sumia, Clair, Mathilda, etc. should be in for lance instead!"
- " Anna shouldn't be a generic axe unit!"
- "Too many waifus!"
- Etc, etc.

Then you could follow suit and maybe make a general mage/tome character capable of various magic (who imo would be a bit easier for including both male and female characters) with Merric/Linde/Mae/Lilina/Soren/Micaiah/Tharja/Ophelia. Of course replace and insert "x" character depending on your preference, plenty of possibilities.

For those that want Lyn, a myrmidon/swordmaster character that also has units like Navarre/Lon'qu, etc.

And then you continue on with maybe large, heavyweight axe wielders like Hector/Basilio, archers like Jeorge/Innes/Virion/Takumi/Claude, etc. and so on.

Just an idea I had.

 

[Idon]

Crazy idea time. Make every FE character Bowser Jr. Not literally, but with the Koopalings I mean. Every costume is a different character (or at least some of them). Adjust character heights as necessary. Taller characters are a little shorter and shorter characters become a little taller to meet in a happy middle area.

And of course the fighting style would have to fit the character in question. So no turning Ike into a costume and putting him over Marth just because they both have swords. Characters already in Smash are naturally going to be trickier to work around (some outright impossible like Ike/Corrin), but newcomers themed around certain weapons/classes could allow for multiple characters to fit the role.

Example: Weapon Triangle using Marth and two other og FE characters as a base.

Sword - Marth / Alfonse / / Lucina / Eirika / Leif / - Tried to go with characters who would fit with Marth's graceful swordplay.

Lance - Caeda / Sharena / Hinoka / Cordelia / Tana / Est / Catria / Palla - General theme of the lance and pegasus knight/flying unit. Yes, Sharena isn't a flying unit, but I wanted to keep the Heroes trio intact.

Axe - Minverva / Anna / Camilla / Edelgard - This one was just a very general axe theme, but so far focused on females since I used Minerva as the base.

Incomplete and of course there's room to argue over who fits best/should be included to best sate fans' wants/represent the series/particular titles.

- "Focus the axe/lance characters on males to include characters like Hector, Ephraim, Camus, Dimitri..."
- "Sumia, Clair, Mathilda, etc. should be in for lance instead!"
- " Anna shouldn't be a generic axe unit!"
- "Too many waifus!"
- Etc, etc.

Then you could follow suit and maybe make a general mage/tome character capable of various magic (who imo would be a bit easier for including both male and female characters) with Merric/Linde/Mae/Lilina/Soren/Micaiah/Tharja/Ophelia. Of course replace and insert "x" character depending on your preference, plenty of possibilities.

For those that want Lyn, a myrmidon/swordmaster character that also has units like Navarre/Lon'qu, etc.

And then you continue on with maybe large, heavyweight axe wielders like Hector, archers like Jeorge/Innes/Virion/Takumi/Claude, etc. and so on.

Just an idea I had.

I'd enjoy that, especially Lyn having the Navarre archetypes as her alts. It'd be pretty damn cathartic to beat up Roy as Rutger, the REAL hero of FE6.

 

[Kirbeh]

I'd enjoy that, especially Lyn having the Navarre archetypes as her alts. It'd be pretty damn cathartic to beat up Roy as Rutger, the REAL hero of FE6.

Glad you like the idea, but this is the part where I ask the rest of you to fill in the blanks and the like. I like FE, but I started with Awakening. So I'm still playing catch up in regards to the rest of the series. I do own others like Fates, Echoes, Sacred Stones and Blazing, but I've yet to complete any of them.