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Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I don’t get that n2 kill at all the more I look at it. At least looking at it compared to players like Ura unless they thought he was that hopelessly lost.

Legendary claimed so whoops and that made sense but with a dead jailer why jola over Ura?
 

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Votecount:

Pokechu- (2) Shishœ, Opossum
Shishœ-
Opossum-
Ura-
LoneKonWolf-
Bardull-
Red Ryu- (1) Pokechu
Moydow-

Currently voting: Shishoe, Opossum, Pokechu

Not Voting: Ura, Lonekonwolf, Bardull, Red Ryu, Moydow

With 8 players alive it takes 5 players to Lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, August 12th at 2:30 PM EST
 
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Votecount:

Pokechu- (2) Shishœ, Opossum
Shishœ-
Opossum-
Ura-
LoneKonWolf-
Bardull-
Red Ryu-
Moydow-

Currently voting: Shishoe, Opossum

Not Voting: Pokechu, Ura, Lonekonwolf, Bardull, Red Ryu, Moydow

With 8 players alive it takes 5 players to Lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday, August 12th at 2:30 PM EST
you monster!!!!

You forgot my vote on Red Ryu :'^)))
 

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Valid point, i’m mostly paranoid of slots that tend to not post a whole and even now if I had to pick an investigation target he would still be close to the top.

I get that some people are like this, I dated someone like this before, but if you asking me to read their alignment well crap I still feel like I could swing either way with players like this.

Still those two posts, do I think he faked them? Likely not.
Goosebumps.

I don’t get that n2 kill at all the more I look at it. At least looking at it compared to players like Ura unless they thought he was that hopelessly lost.

Legendary claimed so whoops and that made sense but with a dead jailer why jola over Ura?
I've thought about this, but I end up staring into an abyss.

Either they killed Jojalole over Ura because they felt Ura could be controlled while Jojalole could not be, or perhaps they feared that Jojalole had some kind of PR that could ruin them. Or, they killed Jojalole in order to make Shish and Opossum appear to be these scheming geese that are confident enough in their ability to maneuver around Ura.

BarDulL BarDulL what are your thoughts my brother?
Wondering why Opossum and Shish haven't responded yet.
 
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Goosebumps.



I've thought about this, but I end up staring into an abyss.

Either they killed Jojalole over Ura because they felt Ura could be controlled while Jojalole could not be, or perhaps they feared that Jojalole had some kind of PR that could ruin them. Or, they killed Jojalole in order to make Shish and Opossum appear to be these scheming geese that are confident enough in their ability to maneuver around Ura.



Wondering why Opossum and Shish haven't responded yet.
Because I'm waiting for Opo to respond like you asked me to
 

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I don’t get that n2 kill at all the more I look at it. At least looking at it compared to players like Ura unless they thought he was that hopelessly lost.
Either they killed Jojalole over Ura because they felt Ura could be controlled while Jojalole could not be, or perhaps they feared that Jojalole had some kind of PR that could ruin them.
Wow this is a massive burial for me lmao.

Dollar Store Detective indeed :)

But for real. As for the topic at hand, we should really look in to the inactives.
 
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I meant this for you Shish, but I assume you share the same answer as Opo?
Yeah, he's been acting real scummy a whole lot and the Jojalole thing doesn't make it any better.
The alternative is that you're in fact a Mafia Neighbor who killed Joja to confirm yourself but I don't believe in this theory.
 

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Hummmm.

Opossum Opossum last question to you. In your words, what brought you to the conclusion that Pokechu is scum? You voted for Pokechu immediately after Shish and suggested that Pokechu is suspicious, but that's all we really know.

@Shishœ answer the same question I asked Opo please, but only after Opossum answers.

Those are the only remaining questions I have, then I'm voting.
I'd been getting weird vibes from him and Uni since day one. He's not acting like, well, Pokechu. He seems more direct than usual, hasn't really done many eight page theories on who is scum like he normally does, or any "normal" Pokechu stuff.
 

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lol ninja'd.

Ehhhhhhh I mean I guess we could hear out why LoneKon and Moydow feel that Red Ryu is better than Pokechu for a lynch if they want to argue it, not sure what else we can get from this phase.
 

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Is there ANY possible reality that:

1. Shish was Scum and gambiting scum Opossum
2. Shish was Town and gambiting scum Opossum
 

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Lastly:

Is there any possible reality that Red Ryu, LoneKonWolf. and Moydow is somehow a team?

I need someone to bounce ideas off of, lol.
 

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Lastly:

Is there any possible reality that Red Ryu, LoneKonWolf. and Moydow is somehow a team?

I need someone to bounce ideas off of, lol.
As mentioned above, I'm confident that our last scum members are among those three once Pokechu is out.
 

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lol ninja'd.

Ehhhhhhh I mean I guess we could hear out why LoneKon and Moydow feel that Red Ryu is better than Pokechu for a lynch if they want to argue it, not sure what else we can get from this phase.
The only explanation I can come up with at this point for why we should lynch Ryu over Chu is that, if Chu is mafia and knew the town could potentially be at ly-lo in this phase, I don't see why he'd be asking for us to lynch him if his victory was near. I don't know, maybe it was just a ploy to try and draw us away from lynching Uni, that didn't pan out.

Other than this, I don't really see any reason not to lynch Chu at this point. Still have my suspicions of Ryu, but I agree with the general sentiment that, based on the current evidence, Chu seems the likelier mafioso. I think, having mulled over your reasoning of why they can't be both mafia, if Chu does happen to come up clean, then Ryu is likely mafia, and vice versa.

I still don't like Shish and Opo gunning for Chu right from the off; if we are at ly-lo then the last thing we need is to lynch someone on the spot, without thinking things through, but if the mafia are within touching distance of victory, then that's exactly what they'd want us to do. Even if it is someone who seems as suspicious as Chu does currently. I guess we can deal with that in the next phase, though (assuming we even survive this one).
 

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What's your opinion on who the scum team is? 3 for town uni, 2 for scum uni.
Already gave it.
Town! Uni would almost necessitate Opo being scum whereas Scum! Uni paints a very bad picture for Chu and Ryu. Don't have good reads on Kon and Moy so I need to think it out through more. And I take it people here think Shish is most likely Town?
Well I also forgot to mention the specific members for each scenario.

Town! Uni is Opo, one or both of the inactives, and possibly Shish

Scum! Uni is Chu, one or both of the inactives, and possibly Ryu.
 
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Hummmm.

Opossum Opossum last question to you. In your words, what brought you to the conclusion that Pokechu is scum? You voted for Pokechu immediately after Shish and suggested that Pokechu is suspicious, but that's all we really know.

@Shishœ answer the same question I asked Opo please, but only after Opossum answers.

Those are the only remaining questions I have, then I'm voting.
Pokechu's lack of voting and lack of emotion in his posts are the main things. And as Opo said, he's not doing "Pokechu stuff". Doesn't help he was suspiciously protective of Uni yesterDay
 

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Opo and Shish being scum in two consecutive games would be funny.
 

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Is there ANY possible reality that:

1. Shish was Scum and gambiting scum Opossum
2. Shish was Town and gambiting scum Opossum
I can see them being possible, largely because of how quickly they started the Pokechu wagon in this phase, and because of how they showed up essentially at the same time to do so and are stating similar reasoning. It potentially suggests some behind-the-scenes coordination, though I'd also imagine they wouldn't be so dumb as to make it that obvious. If Chu comes up clean, however, I'd certainly entertain the possibility more earnestly (leaning more towards the first, for reasons I just stated). If Chu is mafia, then it would justify their suspicion of him, so it'd render both options void.

Lastly:

Is there any possible reality that Red Ryu, LoneKonWolf. and Moydow is somehow a team?

I need someone to bounce ideas off of, lol.
At least to argue my own case, if I was mafia and on the same team as Red Ryu, why would I have been so suspicious of him throughout the game? I'd think it would follow similar logic to why you think he and Chu can't be on the same mafia team, though admittedly with less of an element of him targeting me in return. I can't say much about Kon since it's nigh impossible to get any sort of read on him, but I can't deny the possibility, with how quiet he's been.
 

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hmm

I think the reason why Ryu and Shish have been apprehensive and hesitant to fight me now (them not bothering to respond to my posts to them) may be because everyone is reading them better than me.

I'm being read as scum by most, I'm being read bad, so my mindset? "**** it, if I'm going down, I'm down swinging" At this point, it's not like many could read me worse, so I'm up to fight.

But Shish has been townread by most, and I'm sure that a mafioso who is being townread wouldn't want to risk that. Ryu to a lesser extent, as discourse with me may lead to players reading him as scum instead.

They know that our discourse would give the town something to read and consider before making their final vote, and they don't want the town to consider that they could actually be scum. I think that may be why they've been mostly shrugging off my attempts to fight them.
 

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I'd been getting weird vibes from him and Uni since day one. He's not acting like, well, Pokechu. He seems more direct than usual, hasn't really done many eight page theories on who is scum like he normally does, or any "normal" Pokechu stuff.
Pokechu's lack of voting and lack of emotion in his posts are the main things. And as Opo said, he's not doing "Pokechu stuff". Doesn't help he was suspiciously protective of Uni yesterDay
The only games where I made long theories on who could be scum are FEH 1, and Fate 2. I guess you could consider this game with the Shish teardown wall D1? And I'm not sure what you mean by normal Pokechu stuff, since the people who I'd usually ****post with aren't in the game (so no emoticons either).

Also, @ Shish I rarely vote anyways? I don't know why it's a main reason for your suspicion when in all the games I've played I've rarely voted lol
 
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I'm not bothering to reply to your points because it's basically a me or you situation as far as anyone is concerned. And since I know I'm Town, it's gotta be you. So what's the point of responding to someone who will flip scum?
 

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I'm not bothering to reply to your points because it's basically a me or you situation as far as anyone is concerned. And since I know I'm Town, it's gotta be you. So what's the point of responding to someone who will flip scum?
I'm confused, how is it anywhere near a "me or you" situation??? We could both be town, theoretically. And you're still not the main suspect after me anyways, the second-most sketch for the Town seems to be Red Ryu.
 

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Either way, you have no clue that I'll flip scum (SPOILER ALERT: I'm town), so responding can still benefit the town. It can clear up why you're suspicious of the other person and allow the town insight on both sides.
 

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The only explanation I can come up with at this point for why we should lynch Ryu over Chu is that, if Chu is mafia and knew the town could potentially be at ly-lo in this phase, I don't see why he'd be asking for us to lynch him if his victory was near. I don't know, maybe it was just a ploy to try and draw us away from lynching Uni, that didn't pan out.

Other than this, I don't really see any reason not to lynch Chu at this point. Still have my suspicions of Ryu, but I agree with the general sentiment that, based on the current evidence, Chu seems the likelier mafioso. I think, having mulled over your reasoning of why they can't be both mafia, if Chu does happen to come up clean, then Ryu is likely mafia, and vice versa.

I still don't like Shish and Opo gunning for Chu right from the off; if we are at ly-lo then the last thing we need is to lynch someone on the spot, without thinking things through, but if the mafia are within touching distance of victory, then that's exactly what they'd want us to do. Even if it is someone who seems as suspicious as Chu does currently. I guess we can deal with that in the next phase, though (assuming we even survive this one).
I'm curious, in an earlier post this Day, you had Ryu pegged in the mafia team, regardless of Uni's alignment; I was only in the mafia team with a scum!Uni.
If Uni were mafia:
Pokechu > Red Ryu > LoneKonWolf > Opossum > Shishoe > Bardull

If Uni were clean:
Red Ryu > Shishoe > Opossum > Pokechu > LoneKonWolf > Bardull
So in theory, wouldn't it be safer to lynch Ryu toDay? If he's sketch regardless of Uni, while I look better if Uni is town. Wouldn't lynching me seem riskier?

You did change your mind about Ryu and I being possible scummates but I think this point would still stand :laugh:
 
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Just read everyone's posts, dude, if you were to flip Town, I would become a main suspect. If you flip Mafia, I'm as good as confirmed.
But whatever, I just want this to go a little bit faster, I guess I don't do well with slow games lol
 

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Just read everyone's posts, dude, if you were to flip Town, I would become a main suspect. If you flip Mafia, I'm as good as confirmed.
But whatever, I just want this to go a little bit faster, I guess I don't do well with slow games lol
I did read, that's why I said that you still wouldn't be the main suspect, you'd be up there but #1 would be Ryu and we'd probably look more into Opo.
 

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I'm curious, in an earlier post this Day, you had Ryu pegged in the mafia team, regardless of Uni's alignment; I was only in the mafia team with a scum!Uni.

So in theory, wouldn't it be safer to lynch Ryu toDay? If he's sketch regardless of Uni, while I look better if Uni is town. Wouldn't lynching me seem riskier?

You did change your mind about Ryu and I being possible scummates but I think this point would still stand :laugh:
I didn't think of it this way before, but I can see what you're saying. I'm still re-evaluating the overall situation, and obviously I'd now move Ryu out of my mafia-Uni team, but I'm still not sure of who I'm going to vote for here. I have doubts about Ryu either way, but I also think Uni was more likely to be mafia, which would seem to make you the more likely candidate. But that's gambling on Uni actually being mafia, and gambling in a potential ly-lo situation could be dangerous, so...

Ugh. So much stuff is hinging on which way Uni would have flipped. This is so frustrating. :p I'll need a little more time to think this over.
 

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Vote: Shish
No seriously do you think town is being dooped, what is the angle here? Do you think he is scum at this second?

Vote: Pokechu

give me a reason to not vote her or I legit am asking why this angle. Don't vote and run off like this when it seems out of left field.
 

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Jesus Brewyu here, BarDulL BarDulL wtf are you on.

II'm not opposed to ideas but pokechu as I explained and explained is scum, what about what shish did is scum?

What it is gambit? why? He made someone talk who was not saying a whole lot and forced a conversation to draw a conclusion. It is one of the reason why I am not on board right now with oppo. the reaction seemed genuine and showed a shock to it. Do you think it was faked? That scum Shish faked it?
 

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Was a placeholder. Did a huge reread, and I came up with this. Stopped writing notes at some point, but I think I captured the gist of my thought process. Will be fun to go back and look at it on a later date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wn5_FCB-l3auD1AfxY-ITkCEoDsOVikbCL_liZS1WWw/edit?usp=sharing

Jojalole- Town

Shish- Louise, scum hunting in #191, Shish vs. Uni not SvS #259, Defense of Shadow in #385, distances Ura #414, #643 thinks Pokechu is Town? Where did this come from? Gambits Opo, seems incredibly unlikely to be alligned.

Pokechu – First claimed Vanilla, Matthew, #141. Not aligned with Shish based on interactions around #150. Makes odd statement in #153, stating that the game is mostly vanillas. #204 distances Unikorn. Flip flops in #216 and says Unikorn is probably Town. #224, distances Shish. #245 distances Shish more. #267 not SvS with Shish. Distances Ura in #403, claims Unikorn is probably scum in #649

BarDulL- Town

Shadow- Town - Pent

Red Ryu- -4, #228 distances Shish, #257 rolls back on Shish.

Spak- Town Jack of All Trades

Opossum – second to claim vanilla #165, #437 distances Ura/Shish but rolls back on Shish and says flavor supports Shish as Town. #453 doubles down on Ura/Shish being suspicious oddly, so maybe Shish isn't alligned with Opo? Distancing seems genuine, especially with gambit.

ShinyLegendary - Town Janitor

Moydow - #168 suggesting he’s vanilla? Distances Spak and Red Ryu in #255, distances Red Ryu again in #681. Some distancing in #977.

Stoopid Unikorn – Janitored -1, #289 doesn’t look SvS, feels genuine between Pokechu and Stoopid.

LoneKonWolf - #277 distancing between KonWolf and Shish, #751 more distancing between himself and Shish, likely unaligned? Defends Pokechu in #751, possible mate.

Ura – Town Lyndis

Vote: Pokechu

I think no matter what, if we go Pokechu > Moydow > LoneKon, it should be gameover, unless someone pulled a fast one on us. In which case, congrats, I am pissed for having worked on this a ton.
 
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