Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

[BarDulL]

There is a good reason.

I might've accidentally referred to Shadow as Golden incorrectly a couple of times (I swear I wasn't on drugs ), but I'm not a complete goose, you know.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm a part of it, but I'm not being told why to co-operate? Even when I ask?

What reason is there to co-operate, then?

 

[BarDulL]

If you do not cooperate, myself and Ura will vote for you. It's very simply, really.

 

[Pokechu]

If you do not cooperate, myself and Ura will vote for you. It's very simply, really.

okay, yes, please do

Vote: Pokechu

Being told to co-operate, and not giving a reason to, even when I ask, is something that I have never stood for.

 

[BarDulL]

Pokechu is likely scum, so I ask everyone to NOT quick hammer Pokechu, and to carry on ignoring him.

Like, really, he confirms that I'm likely Town, and then he has the nerve to not cooperate or trust me. LOL.

 

[Pokechu]

Pokechu is likely scum, so I ask everyone to NOT quick hammer Pokechu, and to carry on ignoring him.

Like, really, he confirms that I'm likely Town, and then he has the nerve to not cooperate or trust me. LOL.

your alignment doesn't matter to me at all

that's my stance on being told to cooperate but not given a reason to

town, mafia, cultist, idc

 

[BarDulL]

your alignment doesn't matter to me at all

that's my stance on being told to cooperate but not given a reason to

town, mafia, cultist, idc

Tell that to the graveyard after I've squeezed every drop of information out of you, moogle.

 

[Pokechu]

Tell that to the graveyard after I've squeezed every drop of information out of you, moogle.

I've already said everything I have to say lol what are you gonna try and squeeze out? I can just... not post

I already said I wasn't having fun with this game and no matter what I do today I'm getting lynched so... lol

 

[BarDulL]

To everyone:

I'll be back later. Feel free of course to deliberate, but DO NOT quick hammer Pokechu. It is very important that my questionnaire is answered prior to the phase ending. It is also still possible that Pokechu is not scum (even though it might seem unlikely). Please follow that order I requested.

-Bard

 

[Ura]

Really sucks because I was almost convinced of the Joja-Chu link that turned out to be nothing.

I guess that happens when you trust a Dollar Store Detective such as myself try to deduce who's scum lol.

And someone explain to me how Bard is confirmed townie again?

Uni was cleaned by a Mafia Janitor, it's the inly explanation(though a Day variant? Really?).
And I knew you wouldn't get killed by the Mafia, you may be a confirmed Townie but you're not gunning for them. Ir's the same reason I kept Holder alive in FEH2, he got confirmed but he wasn't suspicious of me and if he did, I could just kill him and everyone would think it was due to him being confirmed.

Mafia Janitor eh?

Kinda confused lol.

While we're at it:

I want people to give me their list of who they feel is likely to be the scum team. Make a list for if Uni was scum, and a list for if Uni was Town. Let's assume there is exactly 3 scum members (this is likely considering we have a vengeful townie).

Town! Uni would almost necessitate Opo being scum whereas Scum! Uni paints a very bad picture for Chu and Ryu. Don't have good reads on Kon and Moy so I need to think it out through more. And I take it people here think Shish is most likely Town?

Again, if I was scummates with Ryu, why would I peg him as my main suspect D2? And as I said what I thought were my last words when I tried to suicide yesterday, I said that Kon could be scum too? That'd be completely unnecessary for me to do if we were scummates.

Ehh...IDK about that bruh.

You voted yourself at a time when the phase was about to end and site was crapping out like hell. By that point, most people had already casted their vote or weren't going to show up. I wouldn't use that as evidence.

 

[Ura]

Oh **** I made a mistake. Ryu wasn't defending Uni my bad.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

While we're at it:

I want people to give me their list of who they feel is likely to be the scum team. Make a list for if Uni was scum, and a list for if Uni was Town. Let's assume there is exactly 3 scum members (this is likely considering we have a vengeful townie).

If Uni was scum then the clear contender here would be pokechu as he desired to push as far back from him as much as possible. He doesn't show any scum tells besides that, i was honestly pushing him for a town read before. Next i still find red ryu to be odd and suspicious, its hard to tell exactly but he has shown a few red flags.

However if uni was in fact town. Then that completely justifies pokechus remarks considerably and he is being framed. before reading last night i was pinning pokechu as an slight edge for a town slot myself and could be an rash attempt to justify, but with the current viewing its hard to say after last phases actions. if uni is town it'll ahve to be people who set up uni to fail and knew his role wouldn't be shown so they'll be confident otherwise. and it'll also be people who are currently heavily advocating for a speedy lynch today as if we assume therres 3 mafia with 5 town a mislynch this phase is a loss. Mafia would know that and push something quick. Opossums and shishoes action at the start of the phase seem to justify that mindset, which only makes me go back even more on pokechu possibly being innocent. Even that gambit before could in one way simply be eachother pushing in a way. The third mafia member is more of a question at that point however. . . I suppose i'll continue to pursue red ryu as he was my secondary push before the lynch and don't see much reason against it after.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

And someone explain to me how Bard is confirmed townie again?

Jojaole was a neighborer and in his flip reveals bardul is the other neighborer.

 

[Ura]

Looks like two confirmed townies then.

Well, if nothing else we have a 1/6 chance of getting this right.

 

[Pokechu]

Unvote Pokechu

Since today could very well be LyLo, I'm not going to just let the town lose lol

I really think that Uni was town and he was janitor'd to frame me, his reaction seems genuine imo

OH MY GOD, SMASHBOARDS IS SO BAD EVEN MY ROLE BROKE!

...

But seriously, what the ****?!

I also think Joja was killed because he was an inactive, so they couldn't easily get a lynch on him, and also because he was one of the few who didn't want me dead (ties into how they janitor'd Uni to frame me)

 

[Pokechu]

Pokechu-
Shishœ-
Opossum-
Ura-
LoneKonWolf-
Bardull-
Red Ryu-
Moydow-

This is our roster left, we can safely remove Barney and Ura. For the sake of this I'm just going to remove myself as I know I'm town.

Shishœ-
Opossum-
LoneKonWolf-
Red Ryu-
Moydow-

I've really been reading Moy and Kon as town, I think they're obvious town reads tbh, they've both been providing views that no one else has thought of and they seem intent on putting connections together.

Shishœ-
Opossum-
Red Ryu-

These are the three I'm suspicious of. This is our mafia. I think it fits, too.

D2 Shishoe chooses to use his gambit on Opo, then afterwards says that he's reading him as town. Shish also opposed a Red Ryu lynch yesterday. Shish is linked to BOTH.

Opo has been a bit inactive so he's hard to judge, but his relation to Shish and how he and Shish immediately voted for me together toDay make me believe that them both being scum makes sense.

Red Ryu has also stated that Shish is a town read, and I recall him saying that he thinks Opo seems town, too. Once again, linked to both of his scummates.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope your exercise is worthy of extending Pokechu's bull****, Bard

 

[Pokechu]

I've questioned why Shish is suspicious of me, just the last page, I've used his own logic against him. But just like how I countered Red Ryu, Shish has not bothered responding.

 

[Pokechu]

I did say that I was previously reading Opossum as town, so I can bet it seems weird for me to backtrack, but I think that he fits in perfectly with Ryu and Shish, and I'm still not scared to say that Uni was just a town struggling due to work.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm not gonna lie, it's gonna be real funny if I get lynched and it really is LyLo

this'd be Gorf's mafia all over again LOL

also FEH 1 mafia too, but we solved that with its sequel

 

[Pokechu]

I'll just vote. But not for myself!!!!

Sticking to my D2 vote. Before... I voted myself. LOL

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[Deleted member]

Pokechu goes on about how he's suspicious of me and then votes Red Ryu instead of me.
I'm not gonna bother responding to circumstancial evidence("if one of Shish and Opo is scum, then the other has to be!!!"), because that would mean giving credit to it.

 

[Pokechu]

Pokechu goes on about how he's suspicious of me and then votes Red Ryu instead of me.
I'm not gonna bother responding to circumstancial evidence("if one of Shish and Opo is scum, then the other has to be!!!"), because that would mean giving credit to it.

Yeah. I'm suspicious of you.

I'm still more suspicious of Red Ryu, who, you've shown a link to. What's the problem???

It's not even "If one of Shish/Opo is scum, the other has to be!!!", it's just that he fits in with you and Red Ryu, and I'm reading everyone else as town, so he kind of sticks out.

This is a "NO U" styled attack, honestly. LOL

 

[Moydow]

So uh, does Bardull's list mean I have to wait for Shish, Kon, and Opossum to have a go before I post my bit? Since I have it mostly written up and all by now. :p

Anyway, I do have one question, if people wouldn't mind:
So according to this article (from a site quoted earlier in this same game, by the way), Neighbours do not necessarily confirm each other as town. So, reading that, I'm a bit confused as to why everyone here seems to be just agreeing that Joja's flip confirms Bardull as town? Is this just some local interpretation of the role, that Neighbour and Mason are essentially the same thing? I'm probably making myself seem suspicious, being the only dissenter on this so far, but I'm just genuinely curious since I'm new to the game around here. For what it's worth, I've been reading Bardull as mostly clean anyway, so this isn't really going to change my thoughts on him anyway.

 

[BarDulL]

Quick hit.

Moydow it’s your turn.

 

[Moydow]

Quick hit.

Moydow it’s your turn.

Huh, that was quick. o.o

Well then, to business:
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Pokechu: Already gave some of my thoughts on them. Though with the pool of potential mafiosi starting to dry up, I begin to grow more suspicious towards them. If Uni was mafia, then he appears to be the next most likely target. If Uni was clean, though, then his reluctance to join the wagon becomes more justified, and it makes him seem more town-like to me. I leaned mafia for Uni, so it follows to me that Chu is suspicious.

Shishœ: I have a hard time judging Shish, honestly. I lean slightly more town than mafia, since I think things like his gambit on Opossum speak of just a really keen mafia-hunter who sensed a lead and did whatever he could to chase it down. If Uni had flipped town, though, then I would call into question his consistent offensive on him - perhaps he was targeting Uni so fiercely, so as to deflect suspicion from himself? And if Red Ryu is mafia, then I would also subsequently find Shish more suspicious, since Shish has been Ryu's main defender so far (likewise, Ryu being clean would make Shish seem clean, to me). Could go either way on this one.

Opossum: I do believe his reaction to Shish's gambit was genuine. Though I don't like him voting for a confirmed townie out of frustration as part of a song-and-dance routine before voting for the person he actually suspected, and he's also had a tendency to disappear from here while being active elsewhere. There may be more than meets the eye here.

Ura: confirmed town. He's lucky he is, though, he hasn't painted himself in a good light for much of the game. But he's apologised for it, so let's just let it go, and move on. <nahyuta.png>

LoneKonWolf: Has been mostly quiet and only chiming in when pinged, or when he has something to comment on. It's consistent with how he played in FEH Mafia, where he was town, and he's been raising a few points I hadn't considered, so I'm inclined to believe he's the same here. Though I also think he's smart enough to know not to deviate too much from his usual style if he were mafia. If we have a cop left available, I'd probably look here.

Bardull: I've been reading him as mostly clean. I felt like the questions he's been asking are genuinely intended to help us join the dots, which a mafioso would want to hinder us from doing.

Red Ryu: Already explained why I find him suspicious, and that hasn't changed yet. Still one of my top targets as of right now.

Moydow: Clean. This one is obvious, right?


If Uni were mafia:
Pokechu > Red Ryu > LoneKonWolf > Opossum > Shishoe > Bardull

If Uni were clean:
Red Ryu > Shishoe > Opossum > Pokechu > LoneKonWolf > Bardull

 

[BarDulL]

Opossum

 

[BarDulL]

Moydow , is it safe to assume you think the team is either:

Pokechu/Red Ryu/Unikorn or Red Ryu/Shish/Opossum?

 

[Moydow]

Moydow , is it safe to assume you think the team is either:

Pokechu/Red Ryu/Unikorn or Red Ryu/Shish/Opossum?

That's how I see it at the moment, yes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well that happened, lynch janitors exist.

Why is bardull’s role not mason if he is confirmed town? Neighbor assumes to be not confirmed town even if the flavor makes sense will reread flips in a bit since I actually know a lot about this game.

Lists when I get home but yeah this is lylo so no quick voting yet.

 

[Opossum]

Opossum

Uni, Pokechu, Lone.

Pokechu, Lone, Red Ryu. Last one was a toss up between Red and Moydow, but I don't have enough of a feel for Moydow's playstyle yet to get a good read.

 

[BarDulL]

People seem to be pairing Red Ryu and Pokechu, so I am going to voice my opinion on why this pairing seems impossible and should not be considered.

Pokechu/Red Ryu = Unlikely based on D1 and D2 interactions. #465 and #467 starts the miniature war between the two. #656 Pokechu throws shade on Red Ryu. Red Ryu guns for Pokechu in #663. Continued interaction into #668 shows Red Ryu painting Pokechu as scum. Interestingly, Pokechu doesn't really put up much aggression towards Red Ryu even after Pokechu threw shade in #656. Red Ryu is visibly trying to spearhead a lynch onto Pokechu, and continues in #675. Red Ryu stresses his interest in a Pokechu lynch again in #761. There is just so many examples of unnecessary distancing between the two and the arguments presented by Red Ryu are valid while Pokechu seems to be submissive in these interactions. #848, Pokechu suggests Red Ryu is one of his main mafia picks. Finally, #1061, Pokechu is attempting to spearhead Ryu's lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

@Shishœ Opossum since it is possibly LyLo, why were you so quick to rush your votes onto Pokechu? There seems to be no consideration of a possible 3 man team alpha striking Pokechu from either of you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If uni was mafia, Pokechu>MoyDow/LoneKon>Unikorn

If uni was town, PokeChu>Moydow/LoneKon>Oppo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

People seem to be pairing Red Ryu and Pokechu, so I am going to voice my opinion on why this pairing seems impossible and should not be considered.

Pokechu/Red Ryu = Unlikely based on D1 and D2 interactions. #465 and #467 starts the miniature war between the two. #656 Pokechu throws shade on Red Ryu. Red Ryu guns for Pokechu in #663. Continued interaction into #668 shows Red Ryu painting Pokechu as scum. Interestingly, Pokechu doesn't really put up much aggression towards Red Ryu even after Pokechu threw shade in #656. Red Ryu is visibly trying to spearhead a lynch onto Pokechu, and continues in #675. Red Ryu stresses his interest in a Pokechu lynch again in #761. There is just so many examples of unnecessary distancing between the two and the arguments presented by Red Ryu are valid while Pokechu seems to be submissive in these interactions. #848, Pokechu suggests Red Ryu is one of his main mafia picks. Finally, #1061, Pokechu is attempting to spearhead Ryu's lynch.

This needs to be emphasized, I seriously don’t get the paring.

 

[Opossum]

@Shishœ Opossum since it is possibly LyLo, why were you so quick to rush your votes onto Pokechu? There seems to be no consideration of a possible 3 man team alpha striking Pokechu from either of you.

Honestly I'm just that confident in my vote. It sounds dumb, but it is what it is. I'm confident Uni was scum and Chu is too.

 

[BarDulL]

Almost done.

If uni was mafia, Pokechu>MoyDow/LoneKon>Unikorn

If uni was town, PokeChu>Moydow/LoneKon>Oppo

Hmmmm.

Honestly I'm just that confident in my vote. It sounds dumb, but it is what it is. I'm confident Uni was scum and Chu is too.

Opinion on Red Ryu/LoneKon/Moydow/Shish?

 

[BarDulL]

#HBC | Red Ryu do you think #1018 and #1024 are faked?

 

[BarDulL]

If Uni was scum then the clear contender here would be pokechu as he desired to push as far back from him as much as possible. He doesn't show any scum tells besides that, i was honestly pushing him for a town read before. Next i still find red ryu to be odd and suspicious, its hard to tell exactly but he has shown a few red flags.

However if uni was in fact town. Then that completely justifies pokechus remarks considerably and he is being framed. before reading last night i was pinning pokechu as an slight edge for a town slot myself and could be an rash attempt to justify, but with the current viewing its hard to say after last phases actions. if uni is town it'll ahve to be people who set up uni to fail and knew his role wouldn't be shown so they'll be confident otherwise. and it'll also be people who are currently heavily advocating for a speedy lynch today as if we assume therres 3 mafia with 5 town a mislynch this phase is a loss. Mafia would know that and push something quick. Opossums and shishoes action at the start of the phase seem to justify that mindset, which only makes me go back even more on pokechu possibly being innocent. Even that gambit before could in one way simply be eachother pushing in a way. The third mafia member is more of a question at that point however. . . I suppose i'll continue to pursue red ryu as he was my secondary push before the lynch and don't see much reason against it after.

Hummmm.

Opossum last question to you. In your words, what brought you to the conclusion that Pokechu is scum? You voted for Pokechu immediately after Shish and suggested that Pokechu is suspicious, but that's all we really know.

@Shishœ answer the same question I asked Opo please, but only after Opossum answers.

Those are the only remaining questions I have, then I'm voting.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

#HBC | Red Ryu do you think #1018 and #1024 are faked?

Valid point, i’m mostly paranoid of slots that tend to not post a whole and even now if I had to pick an investigation target he would still be close to the top.

I get that some people are like this, I dated someone like this before, but if you asking me to read their alignment well crap I still feel like I could swing either way with players like this.

Still those two posts, do I think he faked them? Likely not.