#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I wanna make Gorf an offer but I'll hold off until I've talked with J.
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Fire and Lightning Mafia - Game Over!!!
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#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Are you ********? Listen to J:
Kinda confused. Is this because of info that's been going on, or just personal thingies happening? If for the latter then I'll back you up. If for the former, then suck it up.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
K. In a jiff. Wanna take care of other games/clear any irl distraction before I dive into this game. But please, do me a favour and this time, elaborate on a read on Ryker from both, what I have provided, and what he has responded with. You're one of the few smart town reads I can talk to this game.Xonar said:
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Well the extreme amounts of tests/projects that will be haunting me, finishing in a dinner I have on Thursday evening. I'll basically be busy 'til deadline and looking at today I'm probably gonna have a really late night too :/
What I see from Ryker is that I'm definitely watching out for him, but I honestly don't see anything that makes me go "oh wow he's scum". J voted him based on Circus, thus he's assuming they're partners? I can see that, but it's not entirely convincing enough yet. Which is why I wanna talk with J.
What I see is that he hasn't read up at all and he's being ignorant as **** and it's angering me but it's not that incriminating.
I'm more down for Circus than Ryker at this point. I want to get maximum profit out of your claim though, so I'll be getting back about Ryker later. Promise.
What I see from Ryker is that I'm definitely watching out for him, but I honestly don't see anything that makes me go "oh wow he's scum". J voted him based on Circus, thus he's assuming they're partners? I can see that, but it's not entirely convincing enough yet. Which is why I wanna talk with J.
What I see is that he hasn't read up at all and he's being ignorant as **** and it's angering me but it's not that incriminating.
I'm more down for Circus than Ryker at this point. I want to get maximum profit out of your claim though, so I'll be getting back about Ryker later. Promise.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Yea. I didn't claim mafia for nothing 
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Look, I'm going to make my reads list based solely off of memory of each player for right now, and then after that I'll elaborate where I feel necessary.
Request Deadine ExtentionDa Rules said:
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
1. th3kuzinator- I knew he was town when D1 started and I saw he was incap'd alongside Hipster. I mean unless he's on the other scum team and they're ballsy enough to incap one of their own, let alone KUZ (hint: they're not), then Kuz is obvtown to me, and he's been obvtown all game.
2. brosuke- I honestly thought you very well may have been scum at the beginning of the game due to the fact that you were being very closed and intentionally anti-town it seemed, and when you addressed the issues I had with you, from there on afterward your read just slowly shifted from scum to town. I kept a scum read because, welp, I'm thickheaded, and at the end of D1 I was thinking maybe scum, probz town, but his play can be incriminating, let's see what others think... Hence, the capping.
3. Raziek- It's as if he's an eco friendly maniac and Ryker's a tree. His insistence on not even considering Ryker as a scummy started to rub me the wrong way, and that progressed, and then yesterday I started thinking "Welp, why would a scummate of Ryker be so stupid as to voice something like that?" And then I allowed myself to think Circuscum. I'd say scum with Ryker after Circuscum, but it's doubtful that Circus ISN'T scum.
4. Ryker- I thought he was town. And when I saw him attack Kuz, I knew townKuz would bite back, so I decided to take the side that I KNEW was town, and call out Ryker's play, which was a mistake. So after he pleads his oh-so-tunneling case on me and Kuz, he fades into the abyss. Yes there ARE mobile phones wherever you went V/LA, Ryker, you did have opportunities to post and at least try to keep up in thread, so that's null and void. Actually, on December 7th, at 6:16, I voiced suspicion of Rykerscum to my partner in our QT, basically saying that he's yet to do much of anything. Which, in essence, is true. But I chose to keep a town read on him in thread in order to not look flailing and so I wouldn't have to get into that. But Kuz' case both helped my read, and helped me ease into Rykerscum. And then I claimed mafia in order to let the chains go and pioneer this Ryker lynch.
Let's think capping speculation (don't discount this as WIFOM people, I'm claimed mafia and have a fair understanding of the capping thought process): Let's assume Ryker's lightning for a second. He goes ahead and caps Kuz N0 because he is, easily, the biggest threat to scumRyker this game has to offer (except, now, me
). And of course he expects the other scum team to have the same thought process. But NOPE! We cap Hipster and the game commences. Who does scumRyker go after? His cap choice. And somebody who is totes scum to him (me). His arrogance (we all know him so this is a valid argument) leads him to believe he can get the incap on Kuz, but alas, his V/LA leads that to no avail. His mind is set on me and Kuz being scum, correct? This IS Ryker after all. So he does the smart thing and caps the scummy that DIDN'T escape incapping yesterDay, me, and his arrogance probably leads him to believe he can uphold a Kuz lynch + a Gorf incapping toDay. Why? For total NK control, which is a topic me and my scummy discussed prior to toDay's starting.
5.JO_OEY J- Not gonna lie, didn't have much of a read on him when he was in the game. I was leaning town, but really he didn't do much and it was kinda apparent. And then J came into the game and was just obvtown to me, and knowing that J is a smart *** player (OOC: Dude take nothing I've ever said in the past personal, you're DAMN good at this game, and personally I think I've done some growing up during my DGames hiatus, and one of the things I'm going to stop doing is totally disregarding you as a player. As a person, you're a silly head 
, but you've def. had a shizton of respect from me as a player for a while. And don't forget it.), I knew he'd be a big help in lynching Ryker if he just saw it the same way I do. Oh, and if it wasn't obvious, I'm going to need to make sure you can take the Circus lynch toMorrow after I die.
6. Gordito- Not gonna lie, I thought he was town for a good while there, and he seemed trustworthy. But then he claimed mafia and I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAA? But he's a bro.
7. KevinM- I still don't see the argument against Kevscum. KevinM I saw as, like, TOTALLY dispensable and useless yesterDay, but I still don't see why scum would do some of the shiz that he did, like calling attention to some of the things he did (ex: his intro post. I'm still not sold on why a scummy would decide to bring that up as his intro post). But his play has been bad, and I'm fine saying that he may be scum with Ryker after Circus and Raziek. He's been doing a bit better toDay, but nothing to make me fight to keep em alive if you go through with a KevM lynch.
8. Hipster Samurai (Sworddancer/Gheb_01)- Dead and gone.
9. July- Dead... and... Gone.
10. Rajam- RAJAM IF YOU'RE READING THIS, SCREW CATCHING UP, YOU NEED TO BE CURRENT. His lack of being able to catch up is such a hinderance to him, but I see no scum in any of his play. Not much to say here because he's not really here... But yea.
11. Circus- I was getting scum vibes from em when he was giving empty and generic stances, and when he was being lack luster, but I was feeling really weird calling em scum with Ryker cuz Ryker was voicing suspicion of em, but after I gave it some decent thought, his suspicion has been pretty empty, and there isn't much to back it up. His scum picks are me (claimed mafia), Kuz (confirmed town (to me)), KevM (the popular choice), and Circus which is kinda out of nowhere compared to KevM. And then I remembered: Ryker believes scummates are meant to be bussed
12. Dark_Horse- He's dripping town from his sweat pores, and really has since the beginning of the game. Sure, he's been wrong about a fair amount of things, but it's nothing empty or scummy in the wrongness.
13. Soupamario- Never been able to read em, if I had to go one way or the other I'd say town but idk ._.
2. brosuke- I honestly thought you very well may have been scum at the beginning of the game due to the fact that you were being very closed and intentionally anti-town it seemed, and when you addressed the issues I had with you, from there on afterward your read just slowly shifted from scum to town. I kept a scum read because, welp, I'm thickheaded, and at the end of D1 I was thinking maybe scum, probz town, but his play can be incriminating, let's see what others think... Hence, the capping.
3. Raziek- It's as if he's an eco friendly maniac and Ryker's a tree. His insistence on not even considering Ryker as a scummy started to rub me the wrong way, and that progressed, and then yesterday I started thinking "Welp, why would a scummate of Ryker be so stupid as to voice something like that?" And then I allowed myself to think Circuscum. I'd say scum with Ryker after Circuscum, but it's doubtful that Circus ISN'T scum.
4. Ryker- I thought he was town. And when I saw him attack Kuz, I knew townKuz would bite back, so I decided to take the side that I KNEW was town, and call out Ryker's play, which was a mistake. So after he pleads his oh-so-tunneling case on me and Kuz, he fades into the abyss. Yes there ARE mobile phones wherever you went V/LA, Ryker, you did have opportunities to post and at least try to keep up in thread, so that's null and void. Actually, on December 7th, at 6:16, I voiced suspicion of Rykerscum to my partner in our QT, basically saying that he's yet to do much of anything. Which, in essence, is true. But I chose to keep a town read on him in thread in order to not look flailing and so I wouldn't have to get into that. But Kuz' case both helped my read, and helped me ease into Rykerscum. And then I claimed mafia in order to let the chains go and pioneer this Ryker lynch.
Let's think capping speculation (don't discount this as WIFOM people, I'm claimed mafia and have a fair understanding of the capping thought process): Let's assume Ryker's lightning for a second. He goes ahead and caps Kuz N0 because he is, easily, the biggest threat to scumRyker this game has to offer (except, now, me
). And of course he expects the other scum team to have the same thought process. But NOPE! We cap Hipster and the game commences. Who does scumRyker go after? His cap choice. And somebody who is totes scum to him (me). His arrogance (we all know him so this is a valid argument) leads him to believe he can get the incap on Kuz, but alas, his V/LA leads that to no avail. His mind is set on me and Kuz being scum, correct? This IS Ryker after all. So he does the smart thing and caps the scummy that DIDN'T escape incapping yesterDay, me, and his arrogance probably leads him to believe he can uphold a Kuz lynch + a Gorf incapping toDay. Why? For total NK control, which is a topic me and my scummy discussed prior to toDay's starting. 5.
, but you've def. had a shizton of respect from me as a player for a while. And don't forget it.), I knew he'd be a big help in lynching Ryker if he just saw it the same way I do. Oh, and if it wasn't obvious, I'm going to need to make sure you can take the Circus lynch toMorrow after I die.6. Gordito- Not gonna lie, I thought he was town for a good while there, and he seemed trustworthy. But then he claimed mafia and I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAA? But he's a bro.
7. KevinM- I still don't see the argument against Kevscum. KevinM I saw as, like, TOTALLY dispensable and useless yesterDay, but I still don't see why scum would do some of the shiz that he did, like calling attention to some of the things he did (ex: his intro post. I'm still not sold on why a scummy would decide to bring that up as his intro post). But his play has been bad, and I'm fine saying that he may be scum with Ryker after Circus and Raziek. He's been doing a bit better toDay, but nothing to make me fight to keep em alive if you go through with a KevM lynch.
8. Hipster Samurai (Sworddancer/Gheb_01)- Dead and gone.
9. July- Dead... and... Gone.
10. Rajam- RAJAM IF YOU'RE READING THIS, SCREW CATCHING UP, YOU NEED TO BE CURRENT. His lack of being able to catch up is such a hinderance to him, but I see no scum in any of his play. Not much to say here because he's not really here... But yea.
11. Circus- I was getting scum vibes from em when he was giving empty and generic stances, and when he was being lack luster, but I was feeling really weird calling em scum with Ryker cuz Ryker was voicing suspicion of em, but after I gave it some decent thought, his suspicion has been pretty empty, and there isn't much to back it up. His scum picks are me (claimed mafia), Kuz (confirmed town (to me)), KevM (the popular choice), and Circus which is kinda out of nowhere compared to KevM. And then I remembered: Ryker believes scummates are meant to be bussed
12. Dark_Horse- He's dripping town from his sweat pores, and really has since the beginning of the game. Sure, he's been wrong about a fair amount of things, but it's nothing empty or scummy in the wrongness.
13. Soupamario- Never been able to read em, if I had to go one way or the other I'd say town but idk ._.
Request Deadline Extension
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Request you put Ryker at L-2
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Close, but no.
How much time do you have?
How much time do you have?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Okay so you think Ryker is scum, right?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Great. That was what I was getting at.
Do you think Gorf is mafia? Are you doubtful?
Do you think Gorf is mafia? Are you doubtful?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Okay so this is what I'm getting at;
What if we let Gorf incap Ryker tomorrow, allowing us to control the night kill, and lynching Circus today (or KeviM)?
What if we let Gorf incap Ryker tomorrow, allowing us to control the night kill, and lynching Circus today (or KeviM)?
I'm glad you are still keeping KevinM in the loop but the thing is this:
We are not letting claimed scum not be lynched toDay. Plus it would mean you dying which I am not having over a mafia member. Regardless of how helpful Gorf is being, he has to go toDay.
Ryker toDay and I'll flip you for Circus/KevinM toMorrow but I really want Circus regardless.
We are not letting claimed scum not be lynched toDay. Plus it would mean you dying which I am not having over a mafia member. Regardless of how helpful Gorf is being, he has to go toDay.
Ryker toDay and I'll flip you for Circus/KevinM toMorrow but I really want Circus regardless.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Gorf has a partner.
Apparently, Fire team is 100% sure that Ryker is scum, so if we let Gorf's partner incap Ryker, we'll have control.
We'll lynch Circus today, and incap-kill Ryker tomorrow and lynch wherever the wagon goes (my eyes are set on Raz/KeviM for the time being).
Apparently, Fire team is 100% sure that Ryker is scum, so if we let Gorf's partner incap Ryker, we'll have control.
We'll lynch Circus today, and incap-kill Ryker tomorrow and lynch wherever the wagon goes (my eyes are set on Raz/KeviM for the time being).
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
They want to find scum. They'll incap Ryker should we not lynch him, Gorf will surely do that. If not, I'm open for lynching Ryker instead. Deal?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
They want control of the nightkill.
This is what we're going to do:
Today we lynch Circus, we incapicate Gorf.
Tomorrow, one of two situations will rise;
One, Fire will have incapped Ryker, Lightning will have incapped X. We incapicate Ryker, we lynch anyone.
Two, Fire will have incapped X, Lightning will have incapped Y. We incapicate X/Y, we lynch Ryker.
You following?
This is what we're going to do:
Today we lynch Circus, we incapicate Gorf.
Tomorrow, one of two situations will rise;
One, Fire will have incapped Ryker, Lightning will have incapped X. We incapicate Ryker, we lynch anyone.
Two, Fire will have incapped X, Lightning will have incapped Y. We incapicate X/Y, we lynch Ryker.
You following?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Btw situation one is ~95% more likely to arise, jus' sayin'.
Unvote
Vote: Circus
Let's go this way and I chuckled a bit at the fact of a certain scenario being the end scenario. Nothing ever goes according to plan. It's Mafia. I like your plan loads.
Gord, please go with us on this and tell your partner to Incap Ryker toNight.
Vote: Circus
Let's go this way and I chuckled a bit at the fact of a certain scenario being the end scenario. Nothing ever goes according to plan. It's Mafia. I like your plan loads.
Gord, please go with us on this and tell your partner to Incap Ryker toNight.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
vote Circus
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
request votecount
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
You seem intent on letting Ryker live Brosuke...
@J you better not be messing this up...
And at this rate we don't really need a deadline extention, we can just cut the Day as is. I like the plan. But I'll switch my vote after a votecount.
@Mod retract deadline extention... Just in case you guys need it later on...
@J you better not be messing this up...
And at this rate we don't really need a deadline extention, we can just cut the Day as is. I like the plan. But I'll switch my vote after a votecount.
@Mod retract deadline extention... Just in case you guys need it later on...
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
No with this plan he's sure to die. I promise a Ryker kill by the end of tomorrow.
retract deadline extension
retract deadline extension
#HBC | Red Ryu
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I'm going to extend due to the holiday.
you got til the 26th now.
you got til the 26th now.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
@scum partner, I'm not at the QT and hopefully I'll remember to remind you to when I get there, but INCAP RYKER.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Okay, but promise me this: upon a possible townCircus flip, account for possible Raziek scum, and DON'T DISCOUNT RYKER SCUM.
Unvote Vote Circus
Unvote Vote Circus
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Most willing to lynch Raz tomorrow and KeviM as close second.
But we'll see how flips go. You agree, J?
But we'll see how flips go. You agree, J?
townCircus flip I still have thoughts for some people but that's for later. Right now, focusing on other things.
Probably leaning KevinM over Raz because something about Raz is making me ponder. Soupa's slot is an enigma as well.
Probably leaning KevinM over Raz because something about Raz is making me ponder. Soupa's slot is an enigma as well.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Well then I'm ready to end the day once Laundry caught up.
I prefer no hammer of Laundry 'til he posts.
I prefer no hammer of Laundry 'til he posts.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I prefer no hammer of Circus til Laundry posts
Yeah **** that wording :/
Yeah **** that wording :/
Yet again, agreeing to your request and WL should post something of that he is caught up.
However, that should not stop others from posting whatsoever like Rajam who seems to need catching up, Raz on his thoughts, and Soupa needing to get back here ASAP however not pushing that last one due to tech difficulties.
However, that should not stop others from posting whatsoever like Rajam who seems to need catching up, Raz on his thoughts, and Soupa needing to get back here ASAP however not pushing that last one due to tech difficulties.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Willing to consider Rajam if he hasn't caught up by tomorrow yet.