final smashes... why?

[pugfug90]

Because it's sparkly for pizazz!
I'd love it if Nintendo didn't allow disabling of smash balls lol

 

[pdk]

are you the same sort of people who just got up and walked away from the street fighter cabinet you were playing on without saying anything because the opponent used a super?

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Because it's sparkly for pizazz!
I'd love it if Nintendo didn't allow disabling of smash balls lol

...? That would be the worst thing ever. You're having a competitive match. Someone's camping one side of the level. A Smash Ball falls right in front of him. Oh, the fairness.

 

[X_Meta_Knight_X]

Because it's sparkly for pizazz!
I'd love it if Nintendo didn't allow disabling of smash balls lol

Then that means no tournaments.

 

[pdk]

...? That would be the worst thing ever. You're having a competitive match. Someone's camping one side of the level. A Smash Ball falls right in front of him. Oh, the fairness.

if the only item on is final smashes then do you really expect them to be able to hold out that long in the corner without anything else?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

...? That would be the worst thing ever. You're having a competitive match. Someone's camping one side of the level. A Smash Ball falls right in front of him. Oh, the fairness.

However, do we know the smash balls will be random? It could be that a smashball is programmed to be placed the fartest away from the fighters so there is a mad dash to get a smash ball?

Anyways, tourneys will proably ban them or maybe find a way to incorporate smash balls into the tournament in a fair-like manner.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

if the only item on is final smashes then do you really expect them to be able to hold out that long in the corner without anything else?

What? What do you mean by "anything else"? That's why it's called camping. People are indeed able to camp a stage. And that's not the only possibility of unfairness affiliated with Smash Balls. Even if you're, say, running away to regain control of yourself, and a Smash Ball lands right in front of you. Pretty lucky, eh?

However, do we know the smash balls will be random? It could be that a smashball is programmed to be placed the fartest away from the fighters so there is a mad dash to get a smash ball?

Anyways, tourneys will proably ban them or maybe find a way to incorporate smash balls into the tournament in a fair-like manner.

That's also unfair. A dash for the Smash Ball? Some characters are faster than others, and can reach places in a faster manner. Captain Falcon has the fastest running speed in SSBM, and if it were a dash, he'd get it every time. If he was playing Sheik, who is slower at running, but the better character overall, Falcon would still get it.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Oh well, pick a faster character.

I kid, I kid. I remember when a hammer would be dropped, my friends and I did a mad dash for it. I also used Marth and Roy to counter the thing though. Anyways, to use the Captain Falcon and Shiek. Let's say Shiek decided to not let Mr. Falcon have it so he uses his "better character qualities" to kcock him back, grabbed the smash ball for himself, and then pwn Falcon?

Anyways, I see this item being fun for casual and professional characters alike but not in tourneys.

And hey, if you want to argue about skill. If you can manage to dodge or evade Final Smashe's, then you are quite skilled.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Oh well, pick a faster character.

I kid, I kid. I remember when a hammer would be dropped, my friends and I did a mad dash for it. I also used Marth and Roy to counter the thing though. Anyways, to use the Captain Falcon and Shiek. Let's say Shiek decided to not let Mr. Falcon have it so he uses his "better character qualities" to kcock him back, grabbed the smash ball for himself, and then pwn Falcon?

Anyways, I see this item being fun for casual and professional characters alike but not in tourneys.

And hey, if you want to argue about skill. If you can manage to dodge or evade Final Smashe's, then you are quite skilled.

If it's a dash Falcon would just run like a bat out of hell for the thing, and most likely reach it. Some characters won't have a **** thing to do about it, like Peach.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

If it's a dash Falcon would just run like a bat out of hell for the thing, and most likely reach it. Some characters won't have a **** thing to do about it, like Peach.

Have you ever played "spoons" before?

Basically, if you get four cards of a kind, you have to grab a spoon. Then, regardless if you have four of a kind, everyone else grabs a spoon. If you don't have one at the end of it, you are out.

Well....it's kinda the same. Except its a spoon. I play it were we have furniture in front of us, a stair well, or whatnot so we have to jump over furniture or jump down the stair well to get the spoons. We even had weapons like spatulas and swim noodles to further beat eachother with. Then we fight over the spoons. I have a scar on my arm after getting stabbed by a broken spoon.

Like I said, I invision a mad dash to a smash ball to be like that. A massive, bloody brawl for the smash ball.

Shiek could use her needles or whip to catch him before he gets to it. Catch up him, beat him, and get the ball.

 

[Wreked]

Have you ever played "spoons" before?

Basically, if you get four cards of a kind, you have to grab a spoon. Then, regardless if you have four of a kind, everyone else grabs a spoon. If you don't have one at the end of it, you are out.

Well....it's kinda the same. Except its a spoon. I play it were we have furniture in front of us, a stair well, or whatnot so we have to jump over furniture or jump down the stair well to get the spoons. We even had weapons like spatulas and swim noodles to further beat eachother with. Then we fight over the spoons. I have a scar on my arm after getting stabbed by a broken spoon.

Like I said, I invision a mad dash to a smash ball to be like that. A massive, bloody brawl for the smash ball.

Shiek could use her needles or whip to catch him before he gets to it. Catch up him, beat him, and get the ball.

I love that game.

Sorry got a little off topic. But anyway if people are going to fight me for the smash ball but I know they are going to get it i'll try to find a hiding spot from their attack. Like Mario I will try to get right behing them, Link i'll just try to kill them before they'll attack. Because i'm sure that everybody's FS has a weakness. I haven't figured Bowser's yet though.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Everyone team up and beat the **** out of him.

 

[Takeshi245]

Everyone team up and beat the **** out of him.

He's invincible, though. After the Final Smash, then go dogpile on him. Anyways, the addition of Final Smashes are cool to me.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

yeah I just remembered that.

One way is to lure him near the edge and somehome, get him to fall off.

 

[theONEjanitor]

these aren't "finishing moves", these just powerful attacks.
Just like Pokeballs.
Just think of them like Pokeballs.

and I think its pretty obvious that the final smash will not be allowed in tournaments, its an item

items make the game unfair, they always have...thats what adds to the fun of it...thats why you can have one guy who's awesome at the game, and one guy who's terrible and still have fun in a ffa.
God you people are complaining about wacky stuff.

 

[Kayn]

So FS's are unblockable and/or can't be dodged? And how do you know they knock you off stage? Where are you getting your information from?

yeah...that has absolutely NO knockback..
Also..

That weapon is extremely powerful. Her opponents’ damage meters skyrocket!

Directly from Smashbros.com so even if it didn't have knockback it would certainly be enough to finish up with a nair to KO
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One way is to lure him near the edge and somehome, get him to fall off.

Do you think that anyone but a computer would be dumb enough to fall for that?

 

[BigRick]

What's wrong with the fact that the laser does incredible damage, plus has knockback?

The laser doesn't even cover the whole screen.

The move can only be used once.

Then, you're stuck as Zamus after that.

Personally, I dont think these moves would be effective in a 1v1 setting.

It's kinda like Roy's flare blade.

 

[Kayn]

Zamus might actually not be that bad, at least IMO. But you see, FS doesn't activate immeadiatly so you can nair (or something with some knockback) and immeadiately FS while they're falling and they should get caught in the blast. Or once their tumbling, FS...and then they definetly will get caught.

 

[BigRick]

Zamus might actually not be that bad, at least IMO. But you see, FS doesn't activate immeadiatly so you can nair (or something with some knockback) and immeadiately FS while they're falling and they should get caught in the blast. Or once their tumbling, FS...and then they definetly will get caught.

Yea, FSes will find some usefulness if you can combo into them.

But still, don't forget the one-time use factor. A move that can only be performed ONCE cannot totally decide the outcome of a match.

 

[Takeshi245]

I argee with BigRick on this.

 

[-Mars-]

Yea, FSes will find some usefulness if you can combo into them.

But still, don't forget the one-time use factor. A move that can only be performed ONCE cannot totally decide the outcome of a match.

in a 4-stock match thats one-quarter of the match automatically decided if you somehow happen to acquire the smash ball, that sounds like affecting the outcome to me

 

[Takamiya]

I guess the smash ball will have a place in the stage where it will alwys appear, in the picture at the how to play topic it is foating in the middle of batllefield stage, so i think it will not be an item which will appear at a random place and sometimes pop out just in front of a camper, like some guys are saying here.

 

[Takamiya]

i know that everyone will say that, if the smash ball has only a place in all the stage to appear, it will be more benefic to the campers. no, if you are so good as you say smash them out of there until the ball appears, it will be like a "the king of the mountain"

 

[Cygnus V Arcana]

in a 4-stock match thats one-quarter of the match automatically decided if you somehow happen to acquire the smash ball, that sounds like affecting the outcome to me

that's the beauty of smash brothers...



ANYTHING can happen to alter the outcome of the match.


Once brawl actually comes out and we find out that FS aren't that big of a deal, everyone will probably be able to untwist their panties about the whole situation haha

 

[theONEjanitor]

guys final smashes won't be allowed in tournaments, almost certainly.

so we can close this thread now.

 

[Kayn]

But still, don't forget the one-time use factor. A move that can only be performed ONCE cannot totally decide the outcome of a match.

No but an easy kill can win the match. If both players are down to the last stock and one person gets FS thats the game...So, yes, it can decide the outcome of a match.

 

[Aesir]

in a 4-stock match thats one-quarter of the match automatically decided if you somehow happen to acquire the smash ball, that sounds like affecting the outcome to me

Deal with it, people always jump to conclusions way to soon its almost like people don't want brawl to come out. >_>


edit: easy spikes with marth win matches too watch m2k **** WE SHOULD BAN MARTH FROM TOURNEYS GUYZ

 

[Mic_128]

guys final smashes won't be allowed in tournaments, almost certainly.

Because you're a member of the Smash BRoom and know what all the major tournament directors are discussing regarding items in future tournaments? No, you're not. Stop acting like you do.

Current consensus is that if Crates and Barrels and Capsules can be turned off (or at least not explode) then Items will be given a solid chance. And by "items" I mean most, if not all, because this is an entirely NEW game, not Melee 2.0

 

[sharkboi]

Stop saying Final Smashes are friggin finishing moves that will usually K.O. the crap out of people!!!! They are just more powerful or large-scale moves that you wouldn't find in the fighters' normal moveset!!!! Obviously we cant have a character whose B special move throws a gazillion fireballs that take up half the screen, so its Mario's exclusive Final Smash. Who's to say that the Fireballs he throws in the Final Smash can't be of similar power to his normal fireballs? The Final Smashes will probably not all be lethal, and the ones like Link's might be on a single victim and harder to execute. I'm just saying, Finishing moves in the SmashBros series are called Smash attacks, because they're meant to be used when your opponent has gotten enough damage and is ready to die. And there is no way a huge army of Centurions caused by Pit are gonna have the same deadly power of a Smash Attack.

 

[Killer Tree]

Because you're a member of the Smash BRoom and know what all the major tournament directors are discussing regarding items in future tournaments? No, you're not. Stop acting like you do.

Current consensus is that if Crates and Barrels and Capsules can be turned off (or at least not explode) then Items will be given a solid chance. And by "items" I mean most, if not all, because this is an entirely NEW game, not Melee 2.0

I REALLY doubt high stakes competetive tournys will use items.

 

[Mic_128]

You really think there are going to be high stakes competative tournaments literally right after release? Course not! But the fact is, Melee is a diferent game, and is being treated as such. Everything is going to be on for the first few tournaments and such, see what works, what doesn't and go from there. We can't say in Melee "this" didn't work so we'll ban it, when "this" has actually been changed significantly. And we can't talk about banning Final Smashes simply because no one has played it to see how Final Smashes affect the game

EDIT: Just to point out: Early Melee tournies (Like FC) used items.

 

[Aesir]

Also lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O-xSNzYqHGg <_< 2002 tourney.

 

[shadenexus18]

Believe you me, I'm all for Final Smashes in Brawl; however, I want the option of turning off this item in tournament competitive competition, for it will just be a cheap way to be victorious. Bare this in mind, you get your skills in Smash from strategy, experience, and witty tactics, not from some super move.

Edit for importance: So let me get this straight, in able for you to use Zero Suit Samus, you have to do the super move? I so hope this isn't the case, or she won't be selectable in tournament play seeing how super moves could be turned off.

 

[Takeshi245]

I don't care if Final Smashes are in tournaments or not. Let them do what they need to do.

 

[shadenexus18]

^^You.....don't? Why don't you care? Please elaborate on this. Then again, I'll find a way to evade these suped up special so either way, I'm win.

Still, I feel for those individuals in tourneys who will undoubtably complain to there opponent when they lose and say something around the lines of "HEY! You only won because you used the Final Smash!" Heh, if I happen to be on the receving end on one of these super moves and it causes me the whole tournament, then yeah, I deserve to lose for falling for something that predictable.

 

[linkw00t]

The word cheap should be sparingly used in a fighting game community. Google "Playing to Win" You use any advantage you have against your opponent, and if they have an equal opportunity then they are stupid for not using it. Play to win.

BTW, I'm glad Mic_128 brought it to attention to people that indeed Brawl is a different game and should be treated as so. I'm really, really sick of even looking on here sometimes because of everybody and the rules they think are going to be in Brawl.

 

[Aesir]

Again you claim its a cheap way to win, have you played the game? if so give us an indepth look on how FS makes smash less of a skill game.

 

[shadenexus18]

Again you claim its a cheap way to win, have you played the game? if so give us an indepth look on how FS makes smash less of a skill game.

^^I play Brawl in my dreams.....

But anyways, any smash tactic and be cheap. In fact, on Melee, they're are a slew of stuff thats cheap with certain characters. It doesn't mean that these techinques will be barred from tournament play even if they are cheap. coughcoughcoughsamuscoughsupercoughwavecoughdashcough.

Whew! ^^I think I caught "the sniffles!"

 

[BigRick]

Samus' Super Wavedash is useless in serious fights.

 

[THK]

I just think it's funny that people expect the Brawl tourney scene to be just like Melee's right off the bat.