Ugh... So many false assumptions... Can't take it!
WHile masons cant recruit mafia. A Mod can start the game with a mafia member and a townie in mason together. And make them lovers
Not saying that this is the case here. Just sayin.
Non recruiting masonry was the original type, and is the most commonly used. On SWF though it seems that Mason Leader(Recruiter) is more common than standard masonrys. Also, you're saying that there is scum in the masonry with an assured attitude. I don't like that in the slightest. And still you continue to push a lynch on a claimed mason, just to get information. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, why would you lynch someone for information when we have someone who is more than likely scum(you)?
Riddle, This. Is. Not. Epic. Mafia. This is forum based mafia. On Mafia Scum the more common, and original, masons are pre-set. Quite a few of the people here make them Recruiters in game because they came from an Epic Mafia background. Tom, plays on Mafia Scum. Connect two and two together. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.
A) Enough with the recruiting masons!
B) Chaco, I have only ever been in one game where there was a recruiting mason: FE mafia. Every other game, its been a recruiting indy, which is really quite different from recruiting mason...
C) Hando plays epic too. The masons in TLI were relatively normal. Don't mean a thing.
I haven't been able to pick up a read on Hando all game *shrugs*.
If we lynched riddle and he flipped town and you went straight after me, I would laugh so hard.
Honestly I'd hate to break it to you guys but SCUM IS WINNING. They don't need to take chances right now.
We do.
I wouldn't reveal so early if I didn't think we needed to win this game fast.
We lost a cop already, that's our main investigative role. We're behind face it we need to scum hunt not try and play the
"if this flips then CERTAINLY"
I think a majority of you have yet to FULLY understand this game. It's not black and white, it's not simple. Things aren't easy to break.
Omni you don't notice but when you play this game, you try and "break" the game. You think that lynching one person makes the next day's play easy.
Unfortunately that only makes you a liability.
Mafia doesn't have to gamble here, we do.
First off, I'd like to note the majority of the post is spot on and for god's sakes people look at it.
However, my problem is the first sentence. That is far from shrug worthy. The reason why you haven't gotten a read is because he basically hasn't been posting, which itself is a read. Scum do it whenever possible to escape scrutiny, and Hando's just taken it a step further by making crap posts every once and a while to seem active.
You 98% of the time, you die if you mason a nontown member.
Kevin is right that mafia are "in mason" the whole time. Recruiters are something different because there is some condition. (ie. Yakuza sacrifices himself, or in HP mafia, one mafia had to be dead already).
Generally Cults can recruit anyone, including mafia. Mafia then have one less member and usually cant contact the others. They are a bit different.
Also, this talk has made me pretty confident in a Riddle vote.
I am reading the thread. I was a bit more active in Megamafia, but my activity there dropped because of work, then I got lazy. And then this game started about the same time.
Rule #1
On EM, there are closed masonries, except they aren't called masons. It's just a group of the same night roles (ie. cop), so often people will use naive cops to simulate this, except now a days 99% of the players are too dense to realize this. (Just to clear that up)
These are your few of your more recent post. Without actually reading them, it looks like you have started to post more, but closer inspection reveals one to be what could well be copy/pasted from a wikia somewhere, and the second is mostly johns and non-game material. Strange how that happens after you start getting scrutinized for not posting much at all...
Sarcasm aside tho, were I scum, this is exactly what I would do. Shove aside any useful information, while posting as little as I need to to seem active, with enough physical content to seem like I'm contributing should someone do a readthrough.
And quite frankly, I (as well as others I'm sure) am fed up to hell with your johns. Play well like I know you can, or get a **** replacement already. You should know how much involvement these take, and if you couldn't take it, you shouldn't have signed up.
Plus, regardless of how Omis flips it gives us a ton of information about Kevin. If Omis flips town we basically just confirmed two townies. Kevin and his masoned buddy. Two confirmed townies is a very large asset for town and might even outweigh the lynching of a mason. Kevin if you jump on this and say "look he awnts to lynch confirmed town" I'm going to be 
, my only point here is that an Omis lynch could actually help if it is a mislynch and will most definitely help if Omis is scum.
No. One will be dead, so we will have one not even confirmed townie (keep in mind traitor masons), and a dead likely townie. And don't give us crap like "Oh, I thought you said you had a three man mason!"
A) Have you ever heard of a three man closed mason in a game this small?
B) Did Kevin even ever say the number 3 or mention anyone else in the mafia? No.
Stop being unhelpful or die. Most likely tho, the latter.
I can't see how Riddle is this thickheaded unless he's honestly worried about what he's going to flip, can't you guys see the difference in play styles here. You guys say that he was probably just making newbie mistakes, but can any of you honestly say that if you saw a masonry turn up, your first though would be to lynch one of the TOWN aligned masons and take them out.
Why isn't anyone paying attention to this? In fact, honestly, why isn't Riddle at least at L-1 by now? I mean seriously, this itself is lynch worthy IMO, but combined with his previous mistakes? Pay attention people!
Why are you guys putting so much trust in Kevin? A lot of you seem to follow him mindlessly. There is no doubt that Kevin is a strong player, however that also applies to KevinScum. Please don't lose this by following Kevin like sheep.
Um, not many people are putting blind trust in Kevin, but honestly he hasn't given us any reason NOT to trust him. Whereas you have, and this just seems like the your trying to play hot potato with being lynched. Ain't workin pal.
Your yet again fail to see my point even though right in my post why I want to lynch Omis. I'll make it bigger so you can see it.
I WANT TO LYNCH OMIS, BECAUSE I THINK HE IS LIKELY TO BE SCUM!!!
The confirmed townie argument only applied to a town Omis which I highly doubt at this point. It is NOT the main reason I want to vote Omis (look in the big font for that).
Oh, I see! You want to lynch him because you think he is scum! Oh...
WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM?!
Has it ever occurred to you that townies try to avoid looking scummy and try to avoid getting lynched just like scum do? I want to avoid a town mislynch on me and go for the person who, FMPOV, has a good chance of being scum.
Nice hidden manipulation. At any rate, yeah, townies avoid being scummy and avoid lynches, however, they generally don't try to do stuff that is as scummy as what you have done this game. Lets recap, shall we?
A) Asking for a vote count on Omni immediately after he claimed, with the intention of putting his vote on him. Either skimming or scum
B) Asking Scumni (seriously man, just change your name already) whether he used his power or not
C) Wanting to lynch a mason for base reasons that were false.
Completely different from trying to not seem scummy (see Hando for that)
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Seriously, why isn't he lynched yet?
Kevin's entire case against me is based on a false premise, scum aren't the only players who try to avoid getting lynched and try to avoid looking scummy. Most of his points against me are saying that I am trying too hard to avoid being connected with a lynch and things like that. However, when I am townie I in fact also try to not be associated with a townie lynch believe it or not.
The thing is, if you were scum, you would know a townie lynch was infact a townie lynch, and would thus try harder to stay off it. Hence Kevin's point. Nice try tho.
so you want us to weigh:
your mistakes vs. hando's lack of contribution and coasting
i think i can relate to you now. firstly, i believe if u were scum that your mafia crew would have you "confirm" a post before posting it after slipping up the first few times. i read back and i havent seen too much support on your cause except for mentos. this is bad for you because killing you now may help us find a link between u and mentos altho mentos has taken the benefit for my case as well so he could possibly be reading into it like anyone would.
So let me just make sure I've got this right. We shouldn't lynch him because no one defended himself on stupid posts? Dude, its not like scum examines every post, thats how the stupid stuff gets through. And if they do something so stupid, like asking 1 time doc if they used their power.., scum really can't defend their partner without both being ousted as scum. And second, you DO want to lynch Riddle because that will give us info on mentos? Straighten your argument out.
i do agree that i have a feeling we're arguing with each other and scum is nudging.
there is always a chance that kevin and/or omis is scum now that we know about the mason (if this is true). i wouldnt feel too comfortable lynching either of these two at this point.
then there's you. to be honest, im not very comfortable with lynching you anymore either because of players like Hando that squeak through D1 and D2 scotch free.
i guess the only true lynch that i'm 100% comfortable with at this point is Hando.
The rest of this screams at me "I'm trying to get rid of clear claims, while seeming like I am trying to create them!" I mean honestly: "Kev or Omis could be scum, but I don't wanna lynch them"? Really?
Then, Hando. Honestly, Hando is playing like this in every game right now. I seriously doubt that he's scum in everyone of them, however, I will agree that he needs to get the lead out. I can't talk much though as I am increasingly busy myself. Anyways, I do not feel we should look at Hando towards a Hando lynch this late in the day though. Pushing a lynch on another player in less than 24 hours is ill advised, also you've been on the chopping block nearly this whole day and I have yet to see you off of it. Which kind of says to me, if you haven't presented an adequate enough defense by now you're not going to.
Just because he always plays like this, doesn't mean we can simply disregard it! I mean honestly, what if Omni, or Riddle did this same thing? They would be dead already. Know why?
Everyone is out to lynch the noobs. This needs to stop!
Yes I realize our experienced players are a great help if they are town, but what if they aren't? Then we hand mafia a free lynch or two simply because we don't want to lose a potential asset. News flash! New players become good ones if you let them! Which we aren't! We all need to stop judging people just because it is one of their first games, or in this case because it isn't. It's just become ridiculous.
Sorry its a bit disorganized... Too tried to organize it at this point...
