Can we get a vote count?
I generally agree with the reasons for Omni's scumminess but I dont want to seem like a bandwagoner =/.
This is the first of the, I'm going to post the general consensus of someone being scummy but yet not use my vote in the beginning of the game.
Subtle Scum Nudging.
I apologize for asking for that vote count; it was an unacceptable oversight and I can see why you suspect me.
Time to post my suspicions:
Blazer:
Tunnelvisions onto Kevin (arguably are best townie right now) and says that he would rather lose our best weapon rather than lose a townie. It seems highly suspicious that he doesn't seem to care about discussion as much as he should.
Chaco:
Suggests that a townie wouldn't want a counterclaim to his role/name. If I was a townie I would most definitely want scum to cc so I had a lynch target. I realize that scum would also want to find a doctor, but finding a scum would be just as good or not better for a townie.
I also don't like the metagaming going along as I don't fell like it accomplishes much if anything.
Omni:
The fact that he claimeda prominent role does not mean that he's a confirmed townie. I can definitely see Tom providing scum with safe claims. It also does not make his previous scum tells any less scummy and I still am highly suspicious of him.
Check it out it's the first of the scum tells that Riddle simply defends himself with, "Ok I made a mistake I understand why you suspect me I'm sorry"
Also the whole, suspicious of this guy, and that guy and this guy but not enough to vote any of them. I just hope someone takes it and runs with it.
I want to give you some time to explain Gheb ( at least try). I'm sorry you had to replace some1 very scummy (it happens), but if you don't at least try to defend yourself I'm going to vote you (if I already haven't?)
You hadn't already, way to make it seem like you've been using your vote a lot when you had used it MAYBE once since the beginning of the game.
Scumni, did you use your ability last night (f indeed you are telling the truth)?
What are everyone's feelings on a Kevin BW. His unexplained vote along with his place in each bandwagon makes hiim seem suspicious to me.
YET AGAIN he does the whole, what do people think about lynching _____, I'd like for everyone to keep in mind how many people he thinks we should lynch from now on. Also look at his argument, that's a feeler argument... if someone took the bait on it they'd have to form their argument themselves, that way he avoids suspicion when I flip town because he didn't TECHNICALLY start anything.
Also of course he asks if Omni used his ability. A huge red flag.
Yeah I apoligize for that. I honestly don't know what I was thinking. I thought that that would somehow clear Omni or something. Don't answer that Omni.
I'm sorry I can't give you a better explanation. I simply wasn't thinking at all. My suspicions of Omni made me ask a really dumb question.
Also suspicious of Omni, as well as the exact same "Yeah I made a mistake I'm sorry won't happen again I can't believe I made a scummy mistake like that won't happen again"
1. I honestly don't know if there is anything to do to defend myself. I know I have been scummy and I apoligize.
2. To adress your concerns. The vote on Gheb from my part had only one reason. That is that I did not want a townie in the game who had given up. Someone who has give up is completely ueless and so I decided to lynch him off of the chance that he was scum, which was very possible. Think about it. If you replaced a very scummy mafia then how do you defend yourself? A very good way to defend yourself seems to be to play the cornered townie and ask to be lynched. That was a very possible, at least in my mind, explanation of his actions, and from my point of view, even if he was town than we didn't lose too much by lynching a very suspicious townie who has already given up.
3. As far as the mistakes go I havew nothing to say. However, I think chances would be very low of Riddle_scum to do this since I tend to pay a lot more attention when I am scum(at least on epic mafia) and really try to avoid slip-ups like this, seriously, what would scum be thinking if they did this? I know this is all WIFOM but still.
4. For the Tunnel-vision argument all I have to say is this. I have not put one vote onto Omni and I have yet to push for his lynch. Just because both mistakes were targetted to Omni isn't anything but coincidence.
1. I'm sorry for making a mistake it was scummy I know my fault :\
2. Yet the only SUBSTANTIAL vote he placed that entire day was on the sure lynch, easy to blend in with that kind of lynch. This is also the first time he seems really non-chalant about losing a town role.
3. WIFOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
4. Yet you've thrown suspicion on him and a number of other players yet NEVER used your vote, just tried to nudge people.
Just because I am suspicious of Omni doesn't mean I am tunnelvisioning onto him. The coincidence wasn't me asking a question to Omni, the coincidence is that of all the people I have been suspicious of (Blazer, Kevin, and Omni among others) he was the one that was the result of the stupid errors. Of course I asked Omni a question, because I was suspicious of him, but that doesn't mean that the fact that both of my errors were related to Omni were not an accident.
Mentions all the people that have received scrutiny, again playing really non-chalant no drastic opinions, nothing except the whole push on other players without doing the pushing.
New font color. I'm tired of looking like Omni.
@Ronike and Kevin. Unless you give me more to go on there is no way I can defend myself. I have already explained that the oops moments were truly and honestly mistakes and unless you believe that I'm a really, really poor player than I don't see how someone making a mistake tells anything about their allignment. I would like to think that I have shown that I'm not usually an idiot and so I think the mistakes are honestly a null-tell.
Scumddle (seriously what an awful name) would not be stupid enough to be thinking logicaly and ask a question like that expecting an answer, so why would he do it? There is absolutely no reason so the only explanation is I'm an idiot (could apply to either town or mafia) or I wasn't thinking properly and made a mistake (could also apply to scum or town) so I don't get where you are picking up any scum-tells.
Realizes the Omni bus isn't going anywhere so says I'm tired of looking at Omni as if to show LOOK PEOPLE I'm scumhunting too. And then follows with a big old pile of WIFOM soup.
I honestly don't know how you expect me to defend myself. The only accusation against me is that the 'mistakes' I made weren't actually mistakes at all. While I know that they were I can't prove this to you and th only way to argue it is WIFOM. I fully agree that my entire argument was WIFOM, but its really my only option with these accusations leveled against me. Give me something more solid to defend myself against and I won't resort to WIFOM.
Again he agrees that he's making poor plays and that he can't do anything else.
I am honestly sorry I made some stupid mistakes as not only does it not help me but it hurts town. I can do nothing to atone for these mistakes and I'm no longer going to try. Unless you give me something more to go on I have no idea how to go about defending myself.
I do not know how to defend against that accusation without WIFOM so sorry if you are not satisfied by my response.
Yadda Yadda yadda, it's funny that he keeps saying he's hurting the town but he was so gung ho about lynching Gheb because he hurt the town and was a weak player. Odd, you'd think he would be a lot more careful with that kind of attitude.
The think with Omni was an honest-to-god mistake. I was somewhat suspicious of Omni and I just made a stupid assumption that that would somehow validate Omni's claim or something. I posted it without thinking and upon re-reading later regretted it. However, it is impossible to take back and didn't cause any real harm anyways. Of course I care about being lynched. It would hurt town and I would much rather lynch scum, however I don't know how I should go about defending myself.
He cares about being lynched because he'd MUCH rather lynch scum, THIS IS IMPORTANT. KEEP IN MIND WHAT HE SAID ABOUT GHEB
"He gave up therefore he was no help to town"
Seems like he didn't mind lynching town there, so keep that in mind.
I fully agree what I did was scummy, but I honestly don't know how you expect me to defend myself. The reason I asked Omni that question was this, I was pretty suspicious of Omni, because of the previous day and thought he was likely lying about his claim. I thought if he claimed to use or not use his power (this is where the mistake comes in) than we could figure out that he was lying and lynch him. However, that's obviously faulty logic and the question would have (if answered) given much more information to scum than town.
I'm sorry if my defense isn't enough for you, but it's all I can come up with to defend myself, because there is no good reason for what I did.
Appeal to emotion, but he says he's pretty suspicious for what he said as well as basically admitting what he did was scummy. I've seen scum players do this, put it all on the table with the argument, would I give you this much info if I was scum?
Of course, my entire defense is WIFOM. Since, my action didn't have any good reason for it there is no way for me to give a good reason to you i ndefense.
Just more of the same trend.
I think that Omis is a safer lynch right now. Omni is a potential doc and if we lynch him and he flips town than we are without a power role. However, if Omis is town he is probably just vanilla and we don't lose all that much by lynching him. Both Omni and Omis seem scummy, but I feel like Omni has a claim behind him that make him a risky lynch. I am thus going to:
Vote: Omis
I feel like today would be a failed day if we didn't lynch =/.
Oh that's odd for someone that just a few posts ago said he REALLY didn't want to be lynched because lynching a townie hurts a lot. And we should focus on only lynching scum.
Also for those of you playing along, there are 3 players with less posts then Omis, and for all of the whole riddle saying he's inactive thing, he only has ten more posts then Omis.
Unvote Riddle
Vote: riddle
