Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

Well that just confirmed that I can not vote.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm currently high on myself from winning in Yomi. I can't read your post right now. I'll get to it.

I did read the beginning. Just trust me when I say the Rajam push was null.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

-We lock the claims in and scum have to continue to produce with them. Prevents claims that would be feasible as more set-up information is revealed through flips, claims, and Maf PRs.

That's pretty good actually. We just have to be really, really attentive to everything ... especially all that one-shot garbage that can be added to like any claim.

-May nail a scumbag through CC.
-May nail a scumbag through set-up speculation.
-You and I would be here to make use of it instead of one or none of us.

All of that is unlikely or doesn't really explain why it should be done toDay - inlcuding the 3rd point.

Alright, make sense of Raz's claim with me. Go through the town and scum thought process for reacting to my call-out in thread. What would you do as town and as scum? What do you think Raz would do as both?

I don't know what call-out you're talking about. Do you mean in regards to his claim? I think that's entirely null because neither town nor scum has any more or less reason to come out with that info and I think Raziek himself knows that too. It's nothing you can hold against him but we can't really hold it in his favor unless we have a good idea what the set-up could look like and conclude to odds of having town / mafia watcher. For now my read is completely based on his play.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xonar scum read #1

Gova

Instead of constructing a nice case like Raziek, let's just say that he hasn't done anything. I have yet to see a single hard stance from him or a single post that even attempts true scumhunting.

Having read all his posts, he seems to be actively 'faking' content. Sidelining. Fencesitting. All that stuff.

This oddly resembles your play up to now, which is why I think you should be given the same treatment as Gova. True point is true though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Rajam, I may owe you an apology. I actually think I may be wrapping my head around how your thought processes work.

SlG THlS, RAJAM

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

This oddly resembles your play up to now, which is why I think you should be given the same treatment as Gova. True point is true though.

He masks the points though. I proclaim honestly that I won't give too many stances before talking to Sword. Now with his internet being dumb I will do so regardless. But delaying it for now.

That said, we have done more. For example, giving a definite answer to where we are looking upon NichTownflip etc. And this. I'll ask him to whip it up asap as he has it saved.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We'll see what Gova has to say about it.

 

[Inferno3044]

@Ryker - The reason I want to know the results is because scum targeted you and Gheb. Therefore one of the people that visited him last night must be scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm still of the opinion Kantrip should be the play today.

Reading my interaction with him is enough to sell it for me.

This would all be null anyways.

Here is me questioning why Kantrip takes to heart with the notes he made before he got his role PM, because there is no point in positing notes before he got his role PM since it can easily be posted by either alignment, rather giving hard stances an commitment are better for analyzing it.

Then I get.

That's the idea...

That we can't read you? That doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.

Then why even consider posting notes from before you even got your role PM?

I ask again why posting the notes is worth it at all outside of showing Kantrip had read the game.

Why bother posting anything ever?

This doesn't answer anything I asked him so I make it clear.

Posting proof that you wrote it earlier means nothing, the moment you admit it, all ways to analyze it as town or scum is thrown out the window because you did it with no alignment before the replace in.

You did it with innocence which is why anything from before you replaced in is technically not useful for looking at your play in that slot.

So then,

That's my point Red Ryu: That Ryker getting anything conclusive from my post is illegitimate.

Besides, I don't care if my notes provide a read on me or not.

Bolded is a scum tell to me.

Town certainly cares how well that can read him like I said before.

I'm pretty sure town cares if they can.

As I said before.

I dislike T-Blocks slot for holding similar problems to Orboknown in how fast T-Block jumped onto him for the same reasons Nich did.

Vote: Kantrip

Don't care for his claim either since I can early call him Weigraf as a holy knight.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Legolas case on Glyph

I don't like Glyph atm for his responses to me. Let me reread him to fortify if I think these together are legit scumtells.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wow wtf that's a terrible case, Ryu. Come up with something that doesn't reek like BS from a hundred miles away. Out of all the things Kantrip should be held accountable for this is like the stuff people care about the least.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why not?

Him not caring if people can read him is perfectly legitimate to hold him accountable for, in addition to what T-Block did earlier.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I don't have access to my laptop for a bit but i should have a post up in like a few hours.

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

If you're planning on responding, Glyph, a good first point is showing us where you made stances and where you've legitimately hunted scum. We can work from there.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Just got home and I'm gonna finish my read-through. Haven't read much of toDay (maybe the first few posts) but I'm on pg 6. Trying to do as much as I can with how little time I have. I'll make a post once I'm done.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

My incentive for reading Glyph was not the note I got tonight, but the defensiveness in his reaction.

That wasn't defensiveness, that was me thinking you had a freaking cop guilty on me and then acted like you didn't know what to do with it. It was hella grimy looking at it like that, since why would you have both outed yourself as cop with a guilty and then not followed up on it.

Turns out you apparently got some random message saying I should be killed, but why you'd even entertain that it wouldn't be a scum role is preposterous. For it to be town, they would have had to have:

1) A cop guilty on me beforehand (whoops there hasn't been a night to use that)
2) Modconfirmed information that I wasn't town. In which case, they would just lynch me.

Message is null. I can see how you'd think my post was defensive but hopefully that's cleared up now too.

Let's start with the first post he makes


I don't like this at all. Setting himself up for an easy lynch. (1)

We went over this quite a bit on D1, and I stand by it. Call it whatever you want.

Next three posts are fluff.

They don't have a lot of information in them, but they're certainly involved in the game (most of them at least, I have like 2 in the next 4 that are just silly posts). Maybe I don't get the definition of fluff, but I don't think just because its a one-line post that it doesn't count.

Then this one;



Soooo he has no scum picks. Cool?

Yeah, I didn't have any scum reads. No one had done something that I would label as scummy.

Would it have made you happier if I pointed at someone at random and said to lynch them?

If Gheb flips scum at the end of today, I'll keep this in mind. The town read on Nich is something I understand, so nothing there. I could (over)analyze this into trying to get credit once Nich flips town, but that's way too weak for a post this early in the game. It is interesting how he goes back on this town read with a Nich 'vig'.

I don't remember saying that we should vig Nich?

However, once Raziek asked him for more concrete stances, he posted this.

One fluff post.

BUT THEN

Inconsistency!

Let's lynch a bad player! Like Rajam

BUT WAIT, Rajam isn't just bad, he is also scum! I suddenly have a really convenient scum read!

If you'd read these in context, its pretty damn obvious that I'm not serious on having a scum read on Rajam. I mean, look at the way I say it.

"Then Rajam because I think he is scum and we should lynch him and this has nothing to do with wanting to just lynch a bad player "

Yeah, that is a serious stance with several reasons as to why I believe Rajam is scum.

Another fluff post.

No, its not. I'm expressing distaste at Raz's excuse of 'well he did it so its okay'. But hey, its only one line so it must be fluff.

And another one.

Expressing that I still support the Rajam lynch and am glad Raziek is voting him.

Seriously dude you know that there is more to posts than just what you can pick up at a glance right.

Calling out Nich on being mean to Ryker?
Asking Nich what he'd do if good people would replace in and want to lynch Nich.

No, expressing that I thought Nich's play was bad.

Switch to T-Block. No explanation. Mhm. Not opportunistic at all, because opportunistic would be a Nich vote.

Reading in context sure is a fun thing. Gheb was calling for more pressure on T-block, and I obliged. Of course I'm not going to come out and say 'HEY T-BLOCK DON'T WORRY MAN THIS IS JUST A PRESSURE VOTE, I DON'T ACTUALLY WANT YOU DEAD!'

Because that would be stupid.

Could fit the whole Nich is frustrated town thing. but then

'Vigs' Nich. Who was a frustrated town read.

Spoiler: I'm not actually a dayvig

Well, I like this post. However,


Here he makes the definitive switch from frustTown to Scum. I think the reasons for it are very weak. He stood by frustratedTown, and I see how Nick's behavior fits that read still. This switch looks opportunistic.

I never stood by it save for the first post I made, and even for that I had barely skimmed the argument between Ryker and him. You're full of **** if you're going to try to tell me their back and forth wasn't boring and repetitive, so to help get a better read on the guy I 'vig' d him.

Post w.r.t the other person confirming it.
Elaboration on shot.
Post asking elaboration from Nich on something vague.
Fluff.
Fluff.
Rajam call-out.
Weird Inferno and Rajam call-out.
Fluff.

I really don't think you understand what 'fluff' is.

How is the 'inferno/Rajam callout' weird? Literally I ask Inferno to talk about the stuff that had just happened and point out that Rajam is playing like he's in a time machine from the beginning of the day.

Then another post that's somewhat good.
The thing that bothers me is how he's going after T-Block/Nich (without good reasoning, by the by) yet has this to say about Raziek. It feels like opening doors just in case. Man, it's not even scumhunting.

Because I'm not calling those people scum, and I'm not particularly worried about it at the time? I'm much more concerned with the dude I am pretty sure is scum from his reactions to the DayVig.

417 I will not comment on.

...Do you not agree with the point I made?

Fluff.

No, just saying I'm going to post later on. I mean yeah its not the best post in the game but its not something I'm ashamed of either.

Sorta elaboration for RR.

I was doing my damned to make sure my DayVig gambit stayed fresh enough to use again D2 but you and RR were sure to see making that impossible.

Red Ruy does a good call out in asking what changed between the shot and frustrated town read. Which Glyph responds to by saying "The argument between Ryker and Nich. The only thing that happened during that time.".
Which isn't elaboration at all.
So Red Ruy continues "Ok, then why was he a town read before the argument?"
To which he says "Because that's the feel I got before then."
Cop. Out. Red Flag. all that stuff.

I couldn't say 'hey guys I don't really have a good read on Nich so I'm going to fake a DayVig gambit now to figure it out a bit better, okay?'. I just had to do it and make it seem as justified as I could to ensure Nich felt solidly pressured by it.

Then he sorta fluffs and fortifies his scumNich. Didn't like the transition from start to this point at all.
Fluff w.r.t metaRyker on Nich.

I'm still not sure why you think I was so solid on Nichtown. The only mention of it I made at all was 'he seems more like frusterated town', and that was VERY early in the game. My attitude towards him changed after I too it upon myself to do what I could to establish a read on him best I could

This he will need to talk more about. In his next post.

...what is there to talk about, its pretty clear I thought. I wanted to lynch Nich and get his flip so I could use it to look into other people. We weren't exactly going anywhere information wise so there wasn't any point to dragging it out.

Parrot Ryker (not a bad thing, the case was solid.)
Asking Claim.
The above two in one post.
Asking Gova if he thinks Nich is town. Gova made it clear on multiple occasions that it's a conflicted read.
I count this as fluff.
Fluff (516 now)
Fluff.
StonequestionFluff.
VoteNich.
Fluff.
Fluff.
Fluff.

The thing I don't like about this post is how he doesn't seem to make that hard of stances. His only strong thing is GhebTown. Ryker/Lego town is weak. The rest is weak. The only thing strong would be Gova on NichScum, but guess what Nich flipped? Yeah.

God forbid I don't have hard stances on D1!

Fluff, but good chart.

I'm flattered, I hope you like yours too

Fluff.
Fluff.
Fluff.
Asking Kantrip why Nich is town and in the post afterwards who we'd have to look at otherwise. Yes, I like.
Gova callout?
Which he concedes.
Pushing to end the day. Fluff.
Answering question who he doesn't want in endgame. All bad players. Fluff.

I don't even know what to think of this. He doesn't really say anything in essence.

AAAARE YOU KIDDING. I'm saying that we should not follow Nich's dumb plan to keep him alive to get the potential cop result! IT IS VERY CLEARLY SPELLED OUT! And yeah, that's an important thing to say considering Inferno was just talking about how he thought maybe it was a good idea to leave Nich alive!

You GOTTA read these things in context!

RazCallout.
Another one.
Fluff.
Fluff.

Now this is what made me investigate into Glyph. Pretty darn defensive over something that's insignificant.
Then Ryker Insult.

Already been over this at the start of the post, and it wasn't an insult, I meant I wanted to post one of those images ryker uses. I couldn't since I was on my phone though.

All with all, the case can be summed up like this;

- The way he handled Nich was scummy.
- The way he handled scumpicks was scummy [main point: Raz].
- Has hardly made good stances.
- Has hardly made effort to scumhunt.
- Lotsa fluff. Even though the jokes made it not a ****fest to read.
- The disgusting cop out when Red Ruy confronted him on Nich.

I promised to look at Inferno and might do so but I'm honestly really dead after doing this lol

I think I handled Nich fine. Never called Raz scum, just said I didn't like some of the things he did. I've made plenty of stances and supported them. I spent the majority of my scumhunting time focusing on Nich. You don't understand the world fluff. The dayvig was faked.

And there's my side.

Also my first read through of the game, go me. Might have to mill some things.

Duly noted.


Okay, new post for other stuff.

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

I'll get into that after you're done posting.

But seriously, be more concrete. I want quotes of hard stances and legit scumhunting. This form of replying is getting outdated and should be shunned by now.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm not going to do that, if you read what I've said in context its clear that I've already been doing both of those.

That being said.

Damnit lost the little bit I had already done. Lets try again.

Rajam still thinks the game is happening about 300 posts later than it actually is. Not very helpful. Didn't really look into his case since it didn't look like anything that hadn't already been addressed.

Inferno I don't think was fishing for info but rather just not thinking through what he was doing.

I don't see any reason to doubt Raz's claim, but also don't really know where to go with it from here. Ryker has more info on it than I, so I'm kinda looking to him. I think Raziek is town, the things I didn't like on him before were little more than technicalities.

Kantrip needs to die. Especially not a fan of the last minute push to save Nich yesterDay without offering any real other option as to where to go with it. Seems just like making posts to get credit.

A mass claim actually sounds like a really bad idea to me, especially with the sheer amount of variation this game has built into it. We have a ton of roles out there, no way to really disprove any of them aside from a few night actions from last night (possibly only Raz's).

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno I don't think was fishing for info but rather just not thinking through what he was doing.

Are you talking about me regarding the watcher results? I thought it through very well and know exactly what I'm doing. Unless you think town has an ability to force 1 of 2 people to die and top of that choose Ryker and Gheb, or that somehow this doesn't count as someone visiting Gheb please speak up. As Raziek said, 2 people visited Gheb last night not including Raziek. Assuming that whoever chose to put these two on the chopping block visited them last night, we have a 50% chance of lynching scum. I know what I'm doing.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Oh I certainly agree that that ability is scum, but that still leaves mystery person number two. We don't want to push it too far and accidentally ruin someone's plan or let scum slip out of being caught.

 

[Gova]

@Gheb, your self-preservation thing as defined by Ryker, are you notified if it has been used or that it protected you from something in the event that it's more than one use?

@Ryker,Raziek,Xonar, whoever else, replies will have to wait until I get out of class.

 

[Gova]

EBWOP: @Gheb and if you are, were you notified last Night?

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

Elaboration part 1: Fluff is fluff, Glyph

Yes Glyph, you asked and you shall receive. If you're serious about this, you're going to do this. You're going to explain to me how all these posts are not fluff. They add nothing of worth at all. Nothing.

Ryker asks you this.

Now tell me Glyph, is this a respectable answer? Is the game richer with your post?

Is the game richer with this post?

Or with this one?

You'll have fun selling me on this not being fluff.

I guess this isn't entirely fluff. I'll concede that one, and use it later when I talk about how you dislike Raziek on so many fronts yet don't think he's scum at all :3

Telling me these three posts aren't fluff will be hard though.

Not entirely fluff, but to call this contributing is a hyperbole to the max.

And this question can be twisted to not be fluff, but to call it contribution or scumhunting is a REACH TO THE MAX.
That includes the followup afterwards.

Again, this is hardly contribution. Sure, he answers a question, but does it really help us? It only tells us "hey dawgs these people are usually not too helpful winkywinky"

Once again, a call out that doesn't help a lot.
And this call out. I'll semi-concede these points though, in the spirit of you asking players to participate.

No debating on these two.

Half fluff to show agreement.

This is fluff and parroting pretty much.

This is fluff for the question was already answered.

Just pulling this up now. It's purely parrot and not even raising points at all. If this is your scumhunting Glyph, I wonder if you ever caught any scum.

Weird ass callout.

I guess this is the same?

And this is fluff.

I'll concede this as not being fluff.

And these two.

Undeniably fluff.

Fluff, contributes nothing.

This advances the game slightly, I guess? I'll be nice and concede.

Fluff.
Fluff.


My face when I conceded some posts that I didn't note as fluffy in the first place. Oh well.

All with all about 20-30 fluff posts.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Not even reading that post since its still about how my posts are 'fluff'.

Focus on stuff that actually matters Xonar

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

Note: It says part 1. Be patient you baka.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Wow I'm actually reading those posts now and several are ones I've already explained as to what they meant.

Can't wait for the sequel.

 

[Orboknown]

not liking glyph's responses to Legolas. I understand some of them but still.
waiting on part 2

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Orbo, I'd absolutely love for you to explain exactly what parts you didn't like and which ones you did.

 

[Orboknown]

I like that you are saying "these have content in this context", because i do see how they were an actual, if short, response. But you could also pull up that context and show it, instead of just saying "hey go read it again and you'll see"

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

Don't know what to think about Orbo at all. Will refrain from giving a read about him because I'm really easy with the noob card.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

God forbid you not take his post at face value and put forth a little effort to see if what he's saying is actually valid.

 

[Orboknown]

god forbid you assume i havent read the whole thing.
Vote Glyph

 

[Raziek]

Not sure if serious.

 

[Orboknown]

about me? or about glyph?

 

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

Elaboration part 2: To the real meat of the thing by replying in the same way you did

That wasn't defensiveness, that was me thinking you had a freaking cop guilty on me and then acted like you didn't know what to do with it. It was hella grimy looking at it like that, since why would you have both outed yourself as cop with a guilty and then not followed up on it.

Peculiar. Why would you assume a cop guilty over such a trivial statement? I made it pretty clear it was not a cop at all. Note: This is NOT a gambit. If I should claim it is later, lynch me for it. IT IS NOT.

Turns out you apparently got some random message saying I should be killed, but why you'd even entertain that it wouldn't be a scum role is preposterous. For it to be town, they would have had to have:

1) A cop guilty on me beforehand (whoops there hasn't been a night to use that)
2) Modconfirmed information that I wasn't town. In which case, they would just lynch me.

Message is null. I can see how you'd think my post was defensive but hopefully that's cleared up now too.

For it to be town, they would have had to have:

1) A read on you.

For it to MAYBE BE THE MOD OR WHATEVER IT'S OS SET UP, they would have had to have:

1) be OS set up.


Yes, the note is null, which is why I didn't know what to do with it. OBVIOUSLY, I entertained the idea of it being scum. Your response was "hella grimy" though.

We went over this quite a bit on D1, and I stand by it. Call it whatever you want.

So babycakes, tell me more about Rajam now.


[collapse=RegardingFluff]They don't have a lot of information in them, but they're certainly involved in the game (most of them at least, I have like 2 in the next 4 that are just silly posts). Maybe I don't get the definition of fluff, but I don't think just because its a one-line post that it doesn't count.[/collapse]

Yeah, I didn't have any scum reads. No one had done something that I would label as scummy.

Would it have made you happier if I pointed at someone at random and said to lynch them?

I don't remember saying that we should vig Nich?

Bad wording. Was referring to your later vig.

If you'd read these in context, its pretty damn obvious that I'm not serious on having a scum read on Rajam. I mean, look at the way I say it.

"Then Rajam because I think he is scum and we should lynch him and this has nothing to do with wanting to just lynch a bad player"

Yeah, that is a serious stance with several reasons as to why I believe Rajam is scum.

Alright, point taken. that was pretty terrible of me



[collapse=RegardingFluff]No, its not. I'm expressing distaste at Raz's excuse of 'well he did it so its okay'. But hey, its only one line so it must be fluff.


Expressing that I still support the Rajam lynch and am glad Raziek is voting him.

Seriously dude you know that there is more to posts than just what you can pick up at a glance right.



No, expressing that I thought Nich's play was bad. (TL Note: btw thats fluff)[/collapse]

Reading in context sure is a fun thing. Gheb was calling for more pressure on T-block, and I obliged. Of course I'm not going to come out and say 'HEY T-BLOCK DON'T WORRY MAN THIS IS JUST A PRESSURE VOTE, I DON'T ACTUALLY WANT YOU DEAD!'

Because that would be stupid.

You can say whatever the hell you want, but when you put a vote down on someone you're saying 'I want you dead'. Whether you mean it to put pressure or to be a legit wagon DOESN'T MATTER AT THE TIME.

Spoiler: I'm not actually a dayvig

Mhmm... Do you have an ability called Hellcry Punch though? I really want you to answer that.
Besides, did you crumb that it was a gambit?

I never stood by it save for the first post I made, and even for that I had barely skimmed the argument between Ryker and him. You're full of **** if you're going to try to tell me their back and forth wasn't boring and repetitive, so to help get a better read on the guy I 'vig' d him.

Hah. Isn't that easy. See, this is the problem when you make no stances at all. I never saw where you switched exactly, because you never told anyone where your reads were at. That is scummy.


[collapse=RegardingFluff]I really don't think you understand what 'fluff' is.

How is the 'inferno/Rajam callout' weird? Literally I ask Inferno to talk about the stuff that had just happened and point out that Rajam is playing like he's in a time machine from the beginning of the day.[/collapse]

Because I'm not calling those people scum, and I'm not particularly worried about it at the time? I'm much more concerned with the dude I am pretty sure is scum from his reactions to the DayVig.

You're concerned with him yet I haven't seen you hunt him, at all.

...Do you not agree with the point I made?

I do, I do. Just not touching upon the connection between you and Gova. I don't like Gova, for the record.



[collapse=RegardingFluff]No, just saying I'm going to post later on. I mean yeah its not the best post in the game but its not something I'm ashamed of either.[/collapse]

I was doing my damned to make sure my DayVig gambit stayed fresh enough to use again D2 but you and RR were sure to see making that impossible.

Do tell me more.

I couldn't say 'hey guys I don't really have a good read on Nich so I'm going to fake a DayVig gambit now to figure it out a bit better, okay?'. I just had to do it and make it seem as justified as I could to ensure Nich felt solidly pressured by it.

Except you didn't crumb that it was a gambit or anything at all. This doesn't justify the scumminess of your open options at all.

I'm still not sure why you think I was so solid on Nichtown. The only mention of it I made at all was 'he seems more like frusterated town', and that was VERY early in the game. My attitude towards him changed after I took it upon myself to do what I could to establish a read on him best I could

I was so sold because that's pretty much the only mention you make of a read the entire game -_-' WHICH IS ONE OF MY POINTS EXACTLY.

...what is there to talk about, its pretty clear I thought. I wanted to lynch Nich and get his flip so I could use it to look into other people. We weren't exactly going anywhere information wise so there wasn't any point to dragging it out.

You had things in mind. You should talk about those things. Looked like you had a lot of follow-up based on Nich's flip. It's here now. PROVIDE.

Not bad correct, would wouldn't read again.

God forbid I don't have hard stances on D1!

NOTE: Glyph proclaims to have no hard stances on D1.

AAAARE YOU KIDDING. I'm saying that we should not follow Nich's dumb plan to keep him alive to get the potential cop result! IT IS VERY CLEARLY SPELLED OUT! And yeah, that's an important thing to say considering Inferno was just talking about how he thought maybe it was a good idea to leave Nich alive!

You GOTTA read these things in context!

Let's pick it apart.

Nich's reflect plan is still very unsound as the only way for it to be practical is to force a claim. Keep in mind that if a player is reflected an even number of times then nothing happens at all, and considering Priest is a pretty powerful power I would not be surprised to see several people picking it.

So unless we get someone to claim Priest (which guess what, is essentially like asking the doc to claim D1 for a one-shot cop) then there is way too many things that could go wrong. And on top of that, we don't know if Nich is telling the truth about his claim! If he's scum, then we're just giving him a night to use whatever power best benefits his faction and then doing his best to create havoc amongst the town.

Seriously, stop entertaining the idea that leaving him alive overnight for a very unlikely cop result is a reasonable course of action, especially considering his play.

Posting common sense and 90% fluff is good now? Nice. Look how much I could black out and still have the same post? That's masking fake contribution right there.

Already been over this at the start of the post, and it wasn't an insult, I meant I wanted to post one of those images ryker uses. I couldn't since I was on my phone though.

That was w.r.t your next post being the insult towards Ryker.

Aaaand that's all for replying.

On to his most recent post, which I will give special attention;

I'm not going to do that, if you read what I've said in context its clear that I've already been doing both of those.

That being said.

Damnit lost the little bit I had already done. Lets try again.

Rajam still thinks the game is happening about 300 posts later than it actually is. Not very helpful. Didn't really look into his case since it didn't look like anything that hadn't already been addressed.

Stance w.r.t Rajam is "not very helpful". Nice.

Inferno I don't think was fishing for info but rather just not thinking through what he was doing.

Alright. Some commentary. Uhh, proclaiming he doesn't think what Inferno did was scummy. Okay. Noted.

I don't see any reason to doubt Raz's claim, but also don't really know where to go with it from here. Ryker has more info on it than I, so I'm kinda looking to him. I think Raziek is town, the things I didn't like on him before were little more than technicalities.

Once again, fence sitting!

But I see a stance. Alright. I dig that, too bad it's only after I called him out on it. Too bad he even posted about how much information he would get after a Nich flip, but didn't give us anything so far. Let's read on...

Kantrip needs to die. Especially not a fan of the last minute push to save Nich yesterDay without offering any real other option as to where to go with it. Seems just like making posts to get credit.

Once again a stance. Kantrip should die. He made posts to get credit if Nich flips town. Too bad a scum would rather stay in the shadows and go on the inevitable mis-lynch, right? Like, from all perspectives, thinking what Kantrip did was scummy has fatal flaws.

A mass claim actually sounds like a really bad idea to me, especially with the sheer amount of variation this game has built into it. We have a ton of roles out there, no way to really disprove any of them aside from a few night actions from last night (possibly only Raz's).

Well this is sorta a stance. I'll take it, even though it's once again showing nothing.

Glyph, you're gonna quote where you've legitimately hunted for scum and made hard stances. I want all quotes. I also want you to endure the pain that is searching trough your 40% fluff post count.​

 

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Once again, fence sitting!

Naw that ain't fence sitting. Forget that.

 

[Raziek]

about me? or about glyph?

You. That vote is gross and feels like a "Yeah, so there! neener neener" vote.

A.K.A. OMGUS

 

[Raziek]

Xonar, how much of this is prompted by the message you claimed to have received regarding Glyph?

Idk, some of this feels reachy, I'm happier with Glyph than a chunk of other players currently in this game. (Ruy, Rajam, Orbo, Gova all come to mind)

 

[Orboknown]

You. That vote is gross and feels like a "Yeah, so there! neener neener" vote.

A.K.A. OMGUS

I felt like Glyph needed a fire lit under him. That's what it amounts to.

 

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Raziek, opinion of Ryker?

Additionally, it was prompted by his response to the PM. It wasn't a good one. Looking into his game revealed that he hasn't done anything, yet masked it. Which is a scumtell.

I'm doing this because he's basically who rolled out. I haven't gotten through all the people I want to read on yet.

Yes, some of it is reachy, but that's because if your target hasn't done shit, you have to speculate in some points.

Additionally, why would anyone send LEGOLAS the PM regarding GlyphScum? Why not Gheb or Ryker? :/ Makes me think it wasn't a player.

Glyphs responses don't look too solid either.

Once again, Raz, opinion on Gova considering what Ryker said about his meta?