1. You believe JDietz and Yourself are town. If this is the case, why have the wagons between yourself, JDietz, and Scary all been stalled wagons? What does this imply from your perspective? If JDietz really is town Doc why isn't scum just making a bold push towards JDietz in an apathetic manner? You literally posted a vote on him and say "Ugh, my town doc read but it's not me so oh well" and I was the only one who called you out on it. Scum could have easily gotten away with pushing on JDietz.... but ditto with you! What gives?
The Scary wagon stopped because it reached L-2 based on my pressure vote, and I never intended a lynch. Following my unvote, the players on it didn't further pursue it.
(And I've voiced suspicion on that front particularly on dabuz, but only in a general sense, which on reread would have been specified to highlighting his reasoning for not pursuing the wagon.)
The Dietz wagon stopped when marshy dropped his pressure due to disinterest in being on a wagon with his scumreads. The other two slots on it, Town PR and DSH, weren't here and therefore didn't make any push to keep it moving, whether they would have or not.
(This has been part of the larger issue with the quiet slots, which I address further below.)
My wagon has likely only slowed, and will pick up momentum from your soapbox the second that inactive players step in for non-weekend activity tomorrow and receive their OS pop-up alerts.
So I think that drawing similarities between the three wagons is too simple, bordering on incorrect, because the circumstances of each couldn't be more different. And I wouldn't refer to them as "stalls", because in the two wagons that stopped, I think both did so due to the lack of external forces, with Scary's being maybe a smidge moreso his play, while Dietz's play is still a public point of contention from his main detractor HBW. There's no implication from my perspective, or not one based on the three taken as a whole.
The reason I'm "getting away" with a Dietz push at this juncture is because my reasoning is very plain and understandable from a town PR's POV (a POV which every other member of town is coming from, making me endearingly transparent), and because my reasoning is disassociated from any notion of my read on Dietz. It's a bald survival tactic relying on other players' reads on Dietz, particularly HBW's. Scum doesn't have any need to make such a play, and (rethinking now my previous assertion that he'd die toNight) could conceivably NK Dietz as late as N3 with only a small chance of his blocking a kill, and without having to risk their dayplay by making a public and concerted effort to lynch Dietz toDay.
2. You saw both JDietz and the Scary wagon stall at around 4 votes with no additional push. Gheb commented that this was grimy and that scum was spread out there. Do you agree? How does this fall in line iwth the current situation?
I believe I've covered this above, including what was grimy in each. I don't think those wagons have meaning w.r.t. the current situation. (Possibly I've misunderstood one of these first two questions, as they seem very similar.)
3. You are Gorf's proxy vote. What is the purpose of this?
(question already addressed by dabuz)
I was Gorf's proxy vote on Scary because a) I thought he needed pressure anyway, and b) that's where Gorf wanted to go, and I wanted to read Gorf by doing so. I haven't done so since, which is not to say I wouldn't have continued had the situation been different. I'm not happy with where my read stands on Gorf (more below).
4. You have expressed irritation with other players for "not posting" because you can't read them without their posts. Is this different than my feelings on you?
Yes, there is a fundamental difference: I have been posting, and thus (I strongly feel) providing material to be read. Even if there have been events that I haven't commented on
(I say 'if' because I'm unsure within this game), in those instances I've posted around them like a hole, and that's just as valuable as input
(in a situation where posting has remained on a consistent schedule, like mine toDay). Contrast with e,g, DSH, who as I've said missed 12-15 pages, and wasn't here to keep momentum moving on the Dietz wagon.
5. If you are lynched toDay, who are three top candidates for a lynch / pressure for toMorrow? Why those players?
(addressed to everyone)
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Maximum Carnage
Throughout D1, I've detailed isolated events of scumminess as they've come up. More recently, I've summed this up and identified them as consistent patterns of scumminess, which congeal readily into a case. There's a possibility of bias being introduced due to antagonism, but that's unavoidable given the cerebral nature of the assault. A case should focus on the antagonism beginning 24 hours into the Day, and also on the contrast between the post (page 18, I think) where the slot says they're bordering on okay with me and their posts farther down the page where they make it clear that isn't true.
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~ Gheb ~
I understand if there's a disillusionment after the early game's focus on him, but there needs to be more from him. Gheb hasn't made a proper post in a while; W.R.T. Carnage's linear analysis of my posting (a comparison which obviously needs to be drawn given what I'm saying about Gheb now), I would compare Gheb's posting throughout D1 to my first 24 hours, without any "shaping up" or effort towards content.
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#HBC | Gorf
I feel leaned on somewhat. I don't know why his meta on me is so accurate -- it feels pointedly so, and I'm not sure that the faith in me is justified, expect in the instance where he would have to keep justifying it to remain consistent, if he were scum. This slot needs to make an effort to be the face of a lynch D2, which is something I expect from Gorf.
Other smaller problems:
- marshy is a player who I haven't been feeling the way I normally do. There have been gaps in his reasoning, and not in the usual way where he HBCs and people hate on him for it. I'm talking about visible gaps where there are shifts and countershifts in reads, the sort he sometimes has in hydras
(I would say the only time I've actually seen this was No Hetero), where a large part of his play is internal back-and-forth with the other head, rather than . I don't think that this behaviour is isolated to when Sang stepped in, despite his play being solo with Nameless which should preclude that behaviour, so I'm guarded about the possibility of him talking to scummates as a cause. What I'd have liked from marshy was addressing Gorf with his double vote the way I did, which would have given a strong outward interaction to examine, and would've made sense from him given their townplay in LM.
- WashedLaundry. I thought his early play was very constructive, but after a period of absence, he came back to the thread and seemed to be a different player. Maybe I'm just arse at reading him as usual.
- Sprite needs motivation if he doesn't do more, but not very heavy pressure, because for him I think it's an engagement issue circa AiB.
