Nabe said:
If town thinks we have scum in hand though, I'm in no place to push J on policy toDay, and if this is a quick Day which it's looking like it might be then it's better left til D3.
Called it. They'll come up with something toMorrow too. At any rate, this is a low caliber excuse.
Nabe said:
Is there some reason you say that J lynching DH will satisfy me?
Of course there is. Are you not reading the game? Did you forget that, since we hammered scum, DH will supposedly Counter and kill whoever hammers him? J lynching DH kills J.
I investigated RPSI last Night. He's Shadow. Either he killed Tandora last Night, or Gogo faked his signature move and killed Tanny. I strongly doubt the latter, but it is technically possible, so if RPSI denies visiting Tanny, then MK is a liar and a killer.
@RPSI: No matter what I say about you, please don't contradict me. ToDay, at any rate. Also, truthfully, did you kill Tandora last Night? ToNight, kill MK if we don't lynch him in some way, form, or fashion.
The fact that DH "roleblocked" Tandora is a big piece of circumstantial evidence that suggests he actually DID lie about his role and/or is scum. Roleblock the dead girl because she couldn't deny it. Roleblock the person who would have no effect. Roleblock someone that you wouldn't have to explain to why you did it.
@Vand: Yes. However, I'm far more of the opinion that scum had to have some sort of active measure to stop me, or else Cop is simply broken. Let's say I'd come forward and scum has a Godfather. We could go "No Lynch" over and over and over, while I systematically investigate everyone. Scum can't know my first target, so they might as well kill someone random. As long as I aim for people that I don't think are the Doctor, they have to either give us effectively clear people (the Godfather would have to vote with the rest of us to maintain his facade), or only kill my clears, which would get rid of independents for us as well. In a way, a Tailor would be WORSE for scum, since they would have to correctly predict who I would investigate on the Night that I do it. And so, I think DH has to be scum.
@Swiss: I'm still OK with an MK "lynch", as in, MK lynches DH. If DH and he are scummates and MK will not die from the lynch, then MK wouldn't dare activate Tandora's power lest he effectively admit to being scum from its usage. If he would die, then he simply won't lynch DH if ?/3/?, and DH would probably self-hammer. Assuming 11/3/2, then that would finish off his own faction. We'd know if it were 10/4/2 or 11/4/1 from an N2 scum NK.
Here's my proposal. We get DH up to L-1. We cannot expect him to self-vote so that he cannot self-hammer. At that point, DH may kill himself. If he does (and thus is scum), RPSI will kill MK, and I will investigate X1. If I get a guilty result because MK cannot conceal X1's alignment due to RPSI, excellent. If innocent, I will ignore that result and reinvestigate him the following Night, while we lynch J. If DH does NOT kill himself, a scenario I do not anticipate, we will coerce MK into hammering him, giving him 24 hours to do so. If he refuses, we will ask J to hammer DH, and we will take his recalcitrance as an admission of guilt and lynch MK the following Day. Should J refuse to hammer, then there are two possible courses of action. We can either ask X1 to hammer, or we can all unvote DH and lynch MK instead. If we lynch MK, then I will investigate Dark Horse while RPSI shoots X1. With an actual guilty investigation, then J shouldn't be adverse to lynching DH, since he should be under the impression that DH is lying.
@BSL: I want you to track the following people in order of priority: MK, DH, Swiss.
