FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'll comment on more later but this is just what I saw at tthe current time. Just decided to make a post realy quick

This statement in particular is proof of why you need to rephrase most of this post. You tossed out a quick reply without reading for the context of the posts you replied to. That's plainly obvious in the fact that much of what you've said here is impossible to reply to, because it has nothing to do with the posts you've quoted.

Explain why you ask for my personal commentation on what is going on? I find it odd you wanna hear from me explicitly.

X1 has the same post restriction as you. That doesn't sound to you like something you should comment on?

One thing specifically -- town needs clarification on whether or not you need to put the restriction right at the end of your post like you have been doing.

Okay so Nabe let me get this straight. You want to ignore all the scummilicious behaviour that is happening in this town and wanna lynch me.

You need to go, yes. Today or tomorrow is as late as it should really be left undone.

When the time is right I am gonna tell the vig to shoot me or the town to lynch me.

When will the time be right, and how will you know? And why do you feel that you should have the right to decide when you go, rather than town (for whom it's in their best interests)?

 

[#HBC | J]

This statement in particular is proof of why you need to rephrase most of this post. You tossed out a quick reply without reading for the context of the posts you replied to. That's plainly obvious in the fact that much of what you've said here is impossible to reply to, because it has nothing to do with the posts you've quoted.

X1 has the same post restriction as you. That doesn't sound to you like something you should comment on?

One thing specifically -- town needs clarification on whether or not you need to put the restriction right at the end of your post like you have been doing.

You need to go, yes. Today or tomorrow is as late as it should really be left undone.

When will the time be right, and how will you know? And why do you feel that you should have the right to decide when you go, rather than town (for whom it's in their best interests)?

Nabe, Just because I made a post regarding as to it being "quick" does not infer that I made the post without thinking about it. I did not "toss out" a quick reply. Also explain how it is impossible to respond to eh instead of just saying "I don't like how something is worded hence I am not gonna even respond completely."

1.) I did comment on it but if you actually knew, that post was BEFORE X1 made his claim of having my restriction. InCom just said he would like to here from me beforehand. I wanted to know why me in particular.
2.) By now it should be obvious with the way I have been using Kupo! that I do not have to post it at the end. Plus BSL already asked this and I adressed it. You should have known if you weren't trying to seem so pro-town.
3.) Tomorrow might be the best day for me to go.
4.) I will know Nabe. Seriously wtf is this even? Of course I know I am playing for the town's best interest. That last paragraph thingy is weeeeeird.

Your points in rebuttal to my post are quite....disappointing. I also do not like your constant use of the wording "Town's best interest." As if to make a point that you are trying to seem more pro-town.

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

Scrath that InCom thing, I read a post wrong. Sorry about that

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually I had already commented on X1's claim before InCom even wanted my opinion. What are you even getting at that X1's post restriction is even related to what InCom is saying?

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

FML screw this InCom post, I need to stop reading posts when arguing with my friend over something. Excuse my stupidy

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, Just because I made a post regarding as to it being "quick" does not infer that I made the post without thinking about it. I did not "toss out" a quick reply. Also explain how it is impossible to respond to

because it has nothing to do with the posts you've quoted.

I will know Nabe. Seriously wtf is this even? Of course I know I am playing for the town's best interest. That last paragraph thingy is weeeeeird.

You've avoided answering my questions.

How will you know?
Why do you feel it's your right to choose when you go?

 

[vanderzant]

@nabe: J is not a liability until mafia can quick hammer him and win the game. Currently he has 3 mod votes, so lets assume there is 3 scum left, then scum can win when there is 8 people left during the day (right now there is 14) as a lynch and mafia kill would make it a 3 mafia 3 town/indy situation. When it takes 5 votes to lynch, which including J's mod votes, would cause his lynch.

If there are 2 mafia left, then it would be two less, so when there are 6 alive, a single vote on J would win the game for a 2 man mafia team.

We accept that if J is town, he is going to be lynched regardless, either soon by town or at the end of the game by mafia. Considering this, we must decide whether J's flip is that valuable to us (as opposed to another players flip) since mislynching J is almost no different to scum hammering him in LYLO. It doesn't give us an edge, we can only change the order in which flips happen.

So Nabe, understanding this, do you think J is scum or are you simply lynching him on policy? realising that lynching him now will not give us an extra lynch, or change much really, considering the necessity you see in lynching J alone.

 

[M.K]

My problem is that; how are we assuming that J is town when Strago, another member of the "hero team", just flipped scum?

 

[Cello_Marl]

MK, vote for DH.

J, do you have any abilities?

 

[#HBC | J]

You've avoided answering my questions.

How will you know?
Why do you feel it's your right to choose when you go?

Nabe, I WILL be lynched regardless. I will need to be lynched soon however you are trying to sway the votes into another direction behind scum hunting. One question that should clear this all up. Am I scum or town to you? Also "how will I know?" wtf is that question. I feel that I should choose when to die because it is inevitable. Also your avoiding yourself as to answering my questions because you keep on saying my posts are impossible. Take my post and destroy it if it is "impossible" instead of just saying it is "impossible". Why are you defending InCom? The question was directed at HIM not you but you took the liberty to respond to it.

@nabe: J is not a liability until mafia can quick hammer him and win the game. Currently he has 3 mod votes, so lets assume there is 3 scum left, then scum can win when there is 8 people left during the day (right now there is 14) as a lynch and mafia kill would make it a 3 mafia 3 town/indy situation. When it takes 5 votes to lynch, which including J's mod votes, would cause his lynch.

If there are 2 mafia left, then it would be two less, so when there are 6 alive, a single vote on J would win the game for a 2 man mafia team.

We accept that if J is town, he is going to be lynched regardless, either soon by town or at the end of the game by mafia. Considering this, we must decide whether J's flip is that valuable to us (as opposed to another players flip) since mislynching J is almost no different to scum hammering him in LYLO. It doesn't give us an edge, we can only change the order in which flips happen.

So Nabe, understanding this, do you think J is scum or are you simply lynching him on policy? realising that lynching him now will not give us an extra lynch, or change much really, considering the necessity you see in lynching J alone.

^^Vandy sooo smart. <3 Answer this Nabe.

My problem is that; how are we assuming that J is town when Strago, another member of the "hero team", just flipped scum?

Town should not consider me town AT ALL based on the dag on Kupo! thing. Town should consider me town based on my actions and what I say alone and keep the restriction only in the back of their mind. I really don't like the fact people keep thinking I'm town based off a dag on restriction. Makes me sad and makes this game boring. ;_;

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

J, do you have any abilities?

Nooooope =p

Kupo!

I wish I did with this dag on restriction.

 

[Cello_Marl]

J, if you don't hammer DH, then I will. Are you OK with this?

 

[#HBC | J]

what why will you hammer?! That's ridiculous for a claimed cop to vote for him! You will even lose your ability to investigate as you said iirc if he is lieing.

Have one of your other puppets hammer. o_O I would like Nabe to hammer. But that's just me.

Kupo!

 

[Cello_Marl]

Have one of your other puppets hammer.

That's what I'm doing right now.

You must admit that you are a liability to town in your current state, if you are in fact town. You appear to not be willing to lose my power...that is reasonable enough. But, it is in your power...YOU ALONE...to stop me from dying. I will not ask anyone else.

So, again, are you willing to let me die so that you do not have to?

 

[#HBC | J]

That's what I'm doing right now.

You must admit that you are a liability to town in your current state, if you are in fact town. You appear to not be willing to lose my power...that is reasonable enough. But, it is in your power...YOU ALONE...to stop me from dying. I will not ask anyone else.

So, again, are you willing to let me die so that you do not have to?

1.) I am not your puppet. Don't treat me like one.
2.) Do not put your recklessness on me in the fact that you would hammer.
3.) No, I am not willing to have you die but there is another way. Again so it is either me or you dieing? That is the ONLY conclusion you can think of?
4.) Why is it my desicion? It should not rest on my shoulders alone but as the town as a whole.
5.) I do admit to being a liability.

6.) Kupo!

 

[Cello_Marl]

No, I am not willing to have you die but there is another way. Again so it is either me or you dieing? That is the ONLY conclusion you can think of?

This is the only option I am presenting to you. If I don't do this, then it will be impossible to force someone to hammer DH.

Die or kill me. Make your choice.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Everyone else: RPSI will be killing MK for us toNight, so don't worry about it.

 

[#HBC | J]

cello, let me tell you this, no. do not put that on me because it is not good at all. i will not allow you to hammer dark horse. don't be so extremeist as to having no-one lynch dark horse = impossible.

what is the current vote count anyways? Very important that we find out at this point. But I wonder where the mod is.

Kupo!

 

[M.K]

Cello, I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning for having the players you mention (me being one of them) hammer in this sort of "order", and I'm not quite sure what it "proves" , but if it'll prove anything to you to get you off my back and back on the CORRECT track, I'll gladly help out . Honestly, I believe there is at least 1 scum on the outskirts of the Seph lynch (that is, not voting Seph).

Vote: Dark Horse

Cello, can you better explain your Dark Horse choice? I'm inclined to vote because i want to satisfy your doubts/concerns, however, I don't think Dark Horse is the type of player to be on his own partner's lynch so early into the game. I don't have any meta on this guy/girl/waffle.

@J, Cello is not asking you to do this for no reason. Understand and accept that he's attempting to test you, and right now, you are squandering. Of course it's annoying/unneccesary (neccesary for him, I suppose), but you've gotta appease his doubts. I'm not sure his predicament with me is identical to whatever it is with you, but if you continue resisting, you look even stranger.

I believe this is L-2.

 

[Cello_Marl]

i will not allow you to hammer dark horse

The only way this will occur is if you choose to hammer DH. You don't seem very willing so far...

I will give you 48 hours from the time DH is at L-1. This isn't a test. InCom will be putting DH at L-1 if no one else does. If you choose to let this happen, I hope you have a good explanation.

 

[vanderzant]

My problem is that; how are we assuming that J is town when Strago, another member of the "hero team", just flipped scum?

We're not assuming J is town, and that wasn't my point either.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright I am going to confess to something as of now. I am a liar.

Cello, I cannot let you go through with your reckless desicion and thus I gotta waste this on you.

“Ability Use: Snare on Cello_Marl. That player’s vote does not count for this day. You may only use this ability once per Day.”

I am Mog, Town Voteblocker. I actually tested you to see if you could read my crumb in post 858 where I only capitilized the letters V and B. VB = Voteblocker. I am gonna put DH at L-1. Find another puppet to do your bidding. I am not lynching him and NEITHER ARE YOU. I am not allowing you to vote and be careless with your ability. This is the other way of how I am not allowing you. Seriously, your test was a failure and yet again outed my ability that was better left unknown at the time. I need to think for the better of the town and keeping your ability is top-priority rather than hiding. So please be quiet and just listen to me for once.

Unvote: If applicable
Vote: Dark Horse

Kupo!

 

[vanderzant]

And here I was about to call you scum for claiming vanilla in an OS game!

 

[Cello_Marl]

I don't think Dark Horse is the type of player to be on his own partner's lynch so early into the game.

...what? You realize/remember that YOU said that you had mod-confirmed information that SephMasa/Strago was scum before DH voted for him, right?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh Vandy you are clever. We all know everyone has a role of some-sort. Anyone who claims VT is lieing to an extent however I really wanted to keep this ruse going but if Cello is going to be so insane as to risk his cop investigation than I can't have that =/

Kupo!

 

[M.K]

...what? You realize/remember that YOU said that you had mod-confirmed information that SephMasa/Strago was scum before DH voted for him, right?

I suppose. In that situation, I guess you are correct in assuming that he was mostly ****ed/a goner. I never said mod-confirmed though, unless your implying that saying "its in my Role PM" means mod-confirmed.

@Vand that wasn't really directed towards you, just generally.

@J Interesting....

 

[Cello_Marl]

I can't even begin to tell you how angry I am right now.

J...how do you propose that we force someone to hammer DH?

 

[Cello_Marl]

@MK: You're going to be the DH hammer now. I just need to figure out the best way to do it...out Locke, or someone equally important...

 

[M.K]

I'm already voting for him.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Unvote him.

 

[#HBC | J]

If all else fails I will hammer him. You will need to just keep that anger and just force it on someone else. You actually should be thanking me due to the fact your ability is no 100% saved. So what are you saying? Your entire push for me to lynch him was a bluff? Interesting to say the least if so.

Oh, I'm sorry did I assume something? Silly me :3c I told you, your assumptions will get you into trouble.

Unvote

Get someone to put him at L-1 and I will hammer to prevent a No-Lynch.

Kupo!

 

[Cello_Marl]

@J: I've changed my mind for the moment. I want MK to hammer. Put your vote back on him.

If it were merely a bluff, I wouldn't need access to my vote, now would I?

 

[#HBC | J]

*shrug* W/e Cello.

Vote: Dark Horse

How do you suppose getting MK to lynch DH if he is already on the wagon, eh?

Kupo!

 

[Cello_Marl]

How do you suppose getting MK to lynch DH if he is already on the wagon, eh?

Well now, you see, originally, I was planning on threatening to hammer DH if MK didn't unvote so he could hammer.

*fume fume*

 

[#HBC | J]

Empty threats don't get anywhere Cello. Not a fully thought plan? Bullying/Coercion only goes so far =/

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Cello, you recall D1 when I asked you who your second lynch choice would be? Similar question today, a little more specific: with DH as the first, would you have MK as the second with J as DH hammer?

 

[#HBC | J]

*facepalm*

Cello you can take your anger out on Nabe ;D

Kupo!

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Nabe: What you just said makes no sense. Try again.

On another note, I'm perfectly fine with lynching J right now.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Did you mean, have J hammer DH, and lynch MK as well for a total of 3 deaths? If so, yes, I would do that.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: What you just said makes no sense. Try again.

On another note, I'm perfectly fine with lynching J right now.

Pretty much answers my question.