Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[Opossum]

I'm going to comment something about Bard's role claim that others haven't pointed out.

He's claimed an ability to poison people. Now, somewhat unfortunately, White has also claimed this first. But I'm willing to give Bard the benefit of the doubt here because I know he was writing that post forever.

Why is this important?

Because I already knew poisoning was a mechanic in this game. Someone claimed to me last night that their ability cured poison. And unless this person also told Bard, that's the biggest point in his entire post to begin to sway my opinion.

White told me that he told Ura, Maven, and Bard his role.

 

[vaanrose]

White told me that he told Ura, Maven, and Bard his role.

Well, there it is.

 

[Opossum]

Come to think of it, when I said yesterday that I was worried Pokechu was a third party vigilante, White said that'd make sense, "considering [his] role." Honestly that doesn't shed a good light on White.

Well, there it is.

For whatever else it's worth, White added in that he also told Bard far, FAR later from when he told me he told Ura and Maven.

 

[vaanrose]

Actually, another observation about Bard's role claim.

Does anyone else have titles for their skills?

The first is called "An Eye for an Eye", and states "you'll perform every action used on you back to their user."

The second ability is called "Best Served Cold", it states "you'll only perform actions back one Night after they hit you."

The third and final ability is called "I Curse Thee With My Dying Breath". It states "since you cannot avenge your own death, when you die, you'll poison your killer, killing them on the Night after your death."

My role doesn't have these. The sample role doesn't have these.

 

[Ura]

White told me that he told Ura, Maven, and Bard his role.

White told me that because I literally asked everyone that exact same question.

Which, oddly enough some people had no problem with and others wouldn't say anything even after I told them my role.

 

[BarDulL]

Popping in real quick, then heading out to work the Friday night shift.

This is what White told me in our PMs regarding his role.

i sure hope a cop doesnt target you cos what you gonna do? Prove that the cop is innocent? XD (.....fake cops are a thing but never happened in any I was in)

fine tho I can see how many actions happened related to target, since im a archer. (is coricus one as well or was it a joke? i couldnt tell). ive told this to opo (regrets) , ura and maven. No more haha.

As an Avenger, I am 80% certain you have a scary dangerous secondary role you dont want to reveal yet or never.

but I have? ill give an example like you did then. if i was to target you, I would know how many things happened to you, or how many things you tried to do to someone. I wont know how someone might target ed you, just know that say 2 people targeted you in the night. You on the other hand would know what their abiliies were so could deduce how you were targeted. I dont know what to call this role.

I want to know because its something you really shouldnt be saying. might be useful info if you die.

There is no mention of being someone that can poison things.

 

[Opossum]

Actually, another observation about Bard's role claim.

Does anyone else have titles for their skills?



My role doesn't have these. The sample role doesn't have these.

Mine doesn't have them either, which I find pretty suspicious.

vote: BardulL

Tentative for now. Though I still don't like that White may be a third party killer.

 

[Ura]

If BarDulL really did flip Town, then that would def change the entire perspective of the game. Of course I still very much believe he's Mafia and that hasn't changed since the start of the phase.

Gonna be interesting to see what happens.

 

[vaanrose]

Okay, okay, okay, hang on just a quick second folks.

I feel really dumb, I totally missed something obvious last night, and I really wish BardulL hadn't been the one to make me realize this because it's going to seem like more bias against him.

You can't quote PMs. That's a big no-no, and Pokechu absolutely shattered that rule. I don't even blame BardulL for doing it just now, either, it's his first real game with night PMs and we all just completely overlooked it and made it seem normal.

Pokechu probably deserves a hostkill, I'd be hypocritical after last game if I didn't say it. For what it's worth, I think Bard should get off with a warning.

 

[Ura]

I'm sure Pokechu might have just forgotten about that. When we played Villains Mafia that rule wasn't in effect.

Lets give him a chance.

 

[Opossum]

Okay, okay, okay, hang on just a quick second folks.

I feel really dumb, I totally missed something obvious last night, and I really wish BardulL hadn't been the one to make me realize this because it's going to seem like more bias against him.

You can't quote PMs. That's a big no-no, and Pokechu absolutely shattered that rule. I don't even blame BardulL for doing it just now, either, it's his first real game with night PMs and we all just completely overlooked it and made it seem normal.

Pokechu probably deserves a hostkill, I'd be hypocritical after last game if I didn't say it. For what it's worth, I think Bard should get off with a warning.

Wait, since when was that a rule?

 

[Pokechu]

Nah I asked the hosts

As long as you remove the conversation number it's fine

 

[vaanrose]

Wait, since when was that a rule?

Since at least my first game.

-You can't quote directly messages from the hosts or other players PM's, you can paraphrase it though.

 

[Pokechu]

Didn't shishy fishy say he just copied the rules from Mario mafia?

I know in my role PM he told me as long as it's not a screenshot it's fair game

 

[vaanrose]

Didn't shishy fishy say he just copied the rules from Mario mafia?

I know in my role PM he told me as long as it's not a screenshot it's fair game

I mean, if you got permission, fine. But it'd be nice if everybody had the same understanding of the rules. -__-

This was one of my biggest sticking points last game.

 

[vaanrose]

Ura C CHU

Since you're active, can you answer this?

Actually, another observation about Bard's role claim.

Does anyone else have titles for their skills?

My role doesn't have these. The sample role doesn't have these.

 

[Opossum]

Since at least my first game.

I don't know who started that rule, but it's a dumb rule.

It's not like a screenshot where it's harder to falsify. It also adds an extra dimension of "are they telling the truth" when quoting a dead player.

#salt

 

[vaanrose]

Lol Pokechu ^

 

[Ura]

Ura C CHU

Since you're active, can you answer this?

My abilities don't have names for it. Just an explanation of what it does.

 

[Pokechu]

I noticed that too! At first I thought that maybe Bard just gave the Noble Phantasms for his character but those ability names aren't even Noble Phantasms lol

My abilities don't have titles at all, they're just actions

 

[vaanrose]

I don't know who started that rule, but it's a dumb rule.

It's not like a screenshot where it's harder to falsify. It also adds an extra dimension of "are they telling the truth" when quoting a dead player.

#salt

Eh, I think it's a good rule. The whole point of private night conversations is its private. But whatever, all I really care about is that everyone is on the same page from the beginning.

 

[vaanrose]

Alright. Who wants to bet, then, that both poisoners are third party?

I've noticed that often the third parties have more detailed role PMs.

 

[Opossum]

Alright. Who wants to bet, then, that both poisoners are third party?

I've noticed that often the third parties have more detailed role PMs.

That would make sense considering White implied himself to be third party.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Mafia uses inactivity as a cover all the time. Turnabout is fair play.

Dude, you were in Capcom Mafia.

You witnessed live that sometimes, I just don't have any time to do anything because not being able to defend myself in time was a big reason why I couldn't convince Cori NOT to desperado me. Heck, I took double my break time, which got me in trouble, and it still wasn't enough!

Thought I had enough time for the game, but my work schedule nearly doubled literally during day 1.

I can only do so much with 15-minute breaks, so I prioritized things where I wouldn't need a ****ton of time to write posts on a ****ty version of Smashboards (aka mobile).

You've had a busy day, yet in the past 11 hours (not even the past day, just 11 hours) you've made 24 posts.

Yet you couldn't come into this thread, and give the word that you're gonna be busy and not able to respond?

Dude, 24 posts in half a day is super low for me.

 

[Pokechu]

I really should name change to Chu though, now that the real Chu was tagged I'm kind of mad the name's taken.

Exechution is still a thing but idk

###offtopic post

 

[vaanrose]

Dude, you were in Capcom Mafia.

You witnessed live that sometimes, I just don't have any time to do anything because not being able to defend myself in time was a big reason why I couldn't convince Cori NOT to desperado me. Heck, I took double my break time, which got me in trouble, and it still wasn't enough!

Thought I had enough time for the game, but my work schedule nearly doubled literally during day 1.

I can only do so much with 15-minute breaks, so I prioritized things where I wouldn't need a ****ton of time to write posts on a ****ty version of Smashboards (aka mobile).


Dude, 24 posts in half a day is super low for me.

Just tell me why you targeted me with an ability you had told people was "harmless?" That's the question on everybody's mind.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just tell me why you targeted me with an ability you had told people was "harmless?" That's the question on everybody's mind.

Because you said you wanted me NOT to target Bardull and that you wanted to be part of this.

And somehow, doing what you asked makes me even more suspicious. Literally what?

 

[vaanrose]

Because you said you wanted me NOT to target Bardull and that you wanted to be part of this.

And somehow, doing what you asked makes me even more suspicious. Literally what?

I said I wanted to be let in on the plan. Using a skill on me without telling me isn't letting me in on the plan.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I said I wanted to be let in on the plan. Using a skill on me without telling me isn't letting me in on the plan.

I did things the way I did in Mario Mafia; be quiet until I can prove my role so there's evidence backing it up.

Sadly, I got no result from you last night, which makes me think you did literally nothing. How can I use "nothing" as evidence?

 

[vaanrose]

I did things the way I did in Mario Mafia; be quiet until I can prove my role so there's evidence backing it up.

Sadly, I got no result from you last night, which makes me think you did literally nothing. How can I use "nothing" as evidence?

I actually did do literally nothing last night. I could've told you that, had you let me in on the plan. I was also jailed, apparently, but I didn't act at all anyway.

Did you get no result, or did you get "no result?"

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I actually did do literally nothing last night. I could've told you that, had you let me in on the plan. I was also jailed, apparently, but I didn't act at all anyway.

Huh. I'll tell you my role tonight then. Don't want it to be public knowledge for now.

Did you get no result, or did you get "no result?"

I got a "no result" message.

 

[vaanrose]

Huh. I'll tell you my role tonight then. Don't want it to be public knowledge for now.


I got a "no result" message.

One last question for you.

Whose idea was it for you to target BardulL?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

One last question for you.

Whose idea was it for you to target BardulL?

My own.

 

[BarDulL]

@shishce Were all the role pms constructed similarly to the sample role pm?

(I didn’t even know we had a sample role pm, to be honest).

Getting gas.

Ok Uni, do you have any role abilities that explicitly target people in a pro-town way?

If you do, you should target me with them.

If you have a role that could hurt a townie, you definitely should not target me with them, which includes kills.

Because even if I die, the person that killed me will die on the following night.

My role allows me to mimic abilities and use them on the owner on the following night.

So if you have an ability that can verified through my ability, definitely send it my way.

Pertinent content.

Last post I’m making. Good luck Town.

 

[Wolfie557]

Why would I reveal I had a posion shot? unless of course it failed.

 

[praline]

Wait... White said he could poison other players? Why would he say that, and why would people not immediately think he’s a threat?

 

[Wolfie557]

funny how oppo is going against me after I vote him.

 

[vaanrose]

Alright, final observations for now.

Uni claimed it was his idea to target Bard. But BarDulL's own quote of himself suggests otherwise. Who suggested it is important, because while I'm not convinced they conspired together anymore, I can't rule out of them playing the other.

BarDulL knowing about the poison mechanic tells me his role claims are at least somewhat genuine, as poison was an unrevealed mechanic that other people were aware of. However, BarDulL having role titles when it appears no one else does is highly suspicious, any way you slice it. The question is why does he have these when the rest of us don't?

There's a definite pattern of third parties having longer, more detailed role PMS. But I'm not sure what utility it serves a third party to poison someone after their death, unless possibly his goal is to be killed during the night and he loses if he's lynched. But were that the case, it doesn't make much sense to tell people. The other explanation is the titles are legitimate but the exact details of the claim are not. He may have something to do with poison but not in the exact way he described.

At this point, if BarDulL is anti-town, I believe it was largely coincidence that I suspected him in the first place, since it all stemmed from my suspicion of Uni. But I personally can't overlook the skill titles when it appears other people do not possess them. That's unfortunate if undoes him is something stupid like that, but there was a sample role he could have looked at this time.

IF YOUR SKILL HAS TITLES, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.

 

[vaanrose]

Unvote: Unikorn

For now.

 

[praline]

Alright, final observations for now.

Uni claimed it was his idea to target Bard. But BarDulL's own quote of himself suggests otherwise. Who suggested it is important, because while I'm not convinced they conspired together anymore, I can't rule out of them playing the other.

BarDulL knowing about the poison mechanic tells me his role claims are at least somewhat genuine, as poison was an unrevealed mechanic that other people were aware of. However, BarDulL having role titles when it appears no one else does is highly suspicious, any way you slice it. The question is why does he have these when the rest of us don't?

There's a definite pattern of third parties having longer, more detailed role PMS. But I'm not sure what utility it serves a third party to poison someone after their death, unless possibly his goal is to be killed during the night and he loses if he's lynched. But were that the case, it doesn't make much sense to tell people. The other explanation is the titles are legitimate but the exact details of the claim are not. He may have something to do with poison but not in the exact way he described.

At this point, if BarDulL is anti-town, I believe it was largely coincidence that I suspected him in the first place, since it all stemmed from my suspicion of Uni. But I personally can't overlook the skill titles when it appears other people do not possess them. That's unfortunate if undoes him is something stupid like that, but there was a sample role he could have looked at this time.

IF YOUR SKILL HAS TITLES, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.

Mine don’t have titles.