Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[Maven89]

So I want Vaan to explain why he thought Pokechu and Bard were scheming and explain why he started the day pushing Bard over Uni when his initial point of Bard was his connection with Uni when he doesn’t have a flip on Uni

 

[Opossum]

I mean I don't think that Bard calling Pokechu an idiot jokingly is any worse than the dead folks going "this town sucks" despite the fact that they have all the role info and the town doesn't. Pretty much the same thing in my eyes.

 

[Ura]

Not really sure what the whole drama is about but I don't want any part of it.

I also had a thought today that Opo could potentially be third party. His desire to keep things "close to the chest" is something a third party would want to achieve their goal after a set amount of time.

Ura just kept pushing for my role in a strange way .

Dude you realized I did this for literally everyone in this game right? Lol.

 

[Ura]

Also suspicious that Yellowlord and Coricus have been missing for the entire phase.

Granted I don't have a strong suspicion about either but they really need to get in this thread and add something.

 

[Coricus]

Also suspicious that Yellowlord and Coricus have been missing for the entire phase.

Granted I don't have a strong suspicion about either but they really need to get in this thread and add something.

I'm usually barely even awake at this hour, LOL. I'm stuffing pizza into my mouth.

Anyway I character claimed to both Pokechu and Vaan assuming my role would be obvious from the Wiki page and both of them guessed wrong on the role part, so mostly I'm just kinda baffled how they both missed it when it feels obvious, LOL.

 

[praline]

I'm usually barely even awake at this hour, LOL. I'm stuffing pizza into my mouth.

Anyway I character claimed to both Pokechu and Vaan assuming my role would be obvious from the Wiki page and both of them guessed wrong on the role part, so mostly I'm just kinda baffled how they both missed it when it feels obvious, LOL.

Probably cause they don’t play Fate.

 

[Yellowlord]

Also suspicious that Yellowlord and Coricus have been missing for the entire phase.

Granted I don't have a strong suspicion about either but they really need to get in this thread and add something.

I woke up not too long ago, so I just needed some to to fully wake up.

As for my input, I did tell you about me being a townie to start off.

 

[Coricus]

Probably cause they don’t play Fate.

I don't play Fate and I thought it was obvious from the Wiki, LOL

They both ended up looking at the wiki page I suggested they read because I wanted to see their reactions and they drew inaccurate conclusions.

 

[Ura]

I'm usually barely even awake at this hour, LOL. I'm stuffing pizza into my mouth.

Anyway I character claimed to both Pokechu and Vaan assuming my role would be obvious from the Wiki page and both of them guessed wrong on the role part, so mostly I'm just kinda baffled how they both missed it when it feels obvious, LOL.

To both Pokechu and Vaan you say?

...That's interesting. I also PM'd Vaan in the Night phase and when I inquired about his role, he told me to speak with Pokechu and recharge his ability to "prove" my claim of recharger.

Makes you think if there's a link between the two somehow...

I woke up not too long ago, so I just needed some to to fully wake up.

As for my input, I did tell you about me being a townie to start off.

You did. You also told me about your role somewhat.

Have you used it yet by any chance?

 

[Yellowlord]

You did. You also told me about your role somewhat.

Have you used it yet by any chance?

At this point, yes, I have.

 

[Maven89]

How about you guys talk about Vaan or Bardull?

 

[Yellowlord]

How about you guys talk about Vaan or Bardull?

There's not much for me to say on them from my side since I haven't been in communication with them at all. Although between the two, it does seem like one is really trying to lynch the other... which does seem suspicious if one of them is mafia.

 

[Maven89]

There's not much for me to say on them from my side since I haven't been in communication with them at all. Although between the two, it does seem like one is really trying to lynch the other... which does seem suspicious if one of them is mafia.

But you’ve read their posts today, right? Surely you have some opinion on if Vaan is scummy? Do you think his gambit of lynching a townie makes sense?

 

[Yellowlord]

But you’ve read their posts today, right? Surely you have some opinion on if Vaan is scummy? Do you think his gambit of lynching a townie makes sense?

I have, albeit in quick doses since their posts turned out to be longer then expected. Has it been proven that Bardull is a townie?

 

[Maven89]

I have, albeit in quick doses since their posts turned out to be longer then expected. Has it been proven that Bardull is a townie?

No, he’s roleclaimed but it’s not proven he’s town, although his role hints towards it

 

[Yellowlord]

No, he’s roleclaimed but it’s not proven he’s town, although his role hints towards it

His role hints towards him being a townie? In what way?

 

[Maven89]

His role hints towards him being a townie? In what way?

Reflecting abilities a night later does little to help mafia other than serve as a bizarre weak role cop, reflecting a night kill is unlikely for mafia as we’ve had no evidence of vigilante or serial killers, and it’d punish those roles for playing well if they targeted scum.

 

[Yellowlord]

Reflecting abilities a night later does little to help mafia other than serve as a bizarre weak role cop, reflecting a night kill is unlikely for mafia as we’ve had no evidence of vigilante or serial killers, and it’d punish those roles for playing well if they targeted scum.

So if that's the case, Bardull is very likely to be town. Now as for Vaan, it seems like things are pointing towards him being mafia, if at all. Is that the case, or could he also be a townie?

 

[Maven89]

So if that's the case, Bardull is very likely to be town. Now as for Vaan, it seems like things are pointing towards him being mafia, if at all. Is that the case, or could he also be a townie?

What do you think?

 

[Yellowlord]

What do you think?

Went back to skim through the points you brought up about Vaan, especially with how Shiny was lynched and was pushed by him. Now I'm starting to have my suspicious about him...

 

[Maven89]

I don't play Fate and I thought it was obvious from the Wiki, LOL

They both ended up looking at the wiki page I suggested they read because I wanted to see their reactions and they drew inaccurate conclusions.

Coricus? You’re thoughts on Vaan v Bardull?

 

[Maven89]

Ok, so if Uni targeted Vaan for a kill.....how did Mabe die?

Golden? Your thoughts on this?

 

[Opossum]

As for my takeaway, I don't have a strong belief that either are Mafia just yet. Golden's point about Nabe dying throws a wrench into Bard being Mafia. Meanwhile, though, whenever vaan is Mafia he usually plays it cool. By going against Bard so bombastically it needlessly draws attention to himself, which he wouldn't do if he were Mafia.

Personally I'm siding with "townie misunderstanding" for now.

 

[Ura]

Notice the links that have been hinted at so far?

Bar-Maven
Vaan-Chu

Suffice to say if one of these guys turn out to be Mafia, then we could pin-point the other fairly easily.

 

[Coricus]

Notice the links that have been hinted at so far?

Bar-Maven
Vaan-Chu

Suffice to say if one of these guys turn out to be Mafia, then we could pin-point the other fairly easily.

TBH I never got the impression Vaan and Chu were related. I told both my character, but it didn't seem in connection to each other.

I mean, I guess it's possible, but it's not any more likely than any other combo to me.

 

[Deleted member]

Golden? Your thoughts on this?

It's really hard to make heads or tails of this.
I may trust Vaan due to him saying something that would essentially confirm him as Town coming up true, but part of me is rather unsure if there is some emotion involved in the decision against Bard.... :/

 

[vaanrose]

So I want Vaan to explain why he thought Pokechu and Bard were scheming and explain why he started the day pushing Bard over Uni when his initial point of Bard was his connection with Uni when he doesn’t have a flip on Uni

Pokechu told me BarDulL had suggested watching him. Doing that would confirm Uni targeted him. It seemed to me that before BardDulL could (fake)claim to be a mimic, as Uni had told me he was, he needed to know whether Chu had actually targeted him or not. Because if he was a mimic, he'd also get Chu's watching on addition to whatever Uni has. His reluctance to state his results before Chu stated his only made this feel more likely to me.

As for pushing Bard first over Uni? I didn't start the push. Ura came out swinging with information that Bard knew Nabe's role. And if I think both Bard and Uni are scum, why not then focus my attention on the person other people are? I still made my case against Uni.

Last night I told Uni about my Shiny trap, told him I didn't trust him, and basically said outright if he didn't tell role claim, I was going to prevent him from acting. In truth I was going to have Chu redirect him, but I made it sound like it was my skill. So when he tells other people his role is "harmless" but then refuses to actually tell anyone what it is, and then tries to use it on someone who is directly calling him out?

I obviously scared Uni enough to make him think I would interfere with the mafia, and he tried to do something to me as a result.

If you guys really want to give Bard another day, fine, I felt more strongly about Uni anyway. The fact he's said nothing all phase only makes it clearer.



Vote: Unikorn

 

[vaanrose]

It's really hard to make heads or tails of this.
I may trust Vaan due to him saying something that would essentially confirm him as Town coming up true, but part of me is rather unsure if there is some emotion involved in the decision against Bard.... :/

You're dancing around what I think is pretty important information, Golden. You can help alleviate the suspicion on me.

You're the second of two who know what my role is, and there's a darn good reason I let you in when I started the night intending to do the same thing Nabe did and tell only one person.

 

[vaanrose]

[QUOTE="Ura, post: 22187595, member: 236466"
...That's interesting. I also PM'd Vaan in the Night phase and when I inquired about his role, he told me to speak with Pokechu and recharge his ability to "prove" my claim of recharger.
[/QUOTE]

You wanted Golden to prove your role. That would have been a complete waste of resources, when nobody suspected you of anything. Pokechu's abilities are one shot. Your role literally exists to recharge one shots. Until someone else claims one-shot, that means your entire purpose is to recharge Pokechu.

 

[vaanrose]

Ura I broke the quote code, look at the post above.

 

[Ura]

[QUOTE="Ura, post: 22187595, member: 236466"
...That's interesting. I also PM'd Vaan in the Night phase and when I inquired about his role, he told me to speak with Pokechu and recharge his ability to "prove" my claim of recharger.

You wanted Golden to prove your role. That would have been a complete waste of resources, when nobody suspected you of anything. Pokechu's abilities are one shot. Your role literally exists to recharge one shots. Until someone else claims one-shot, that means your entire purpose is to recharge Pokechu.[/QUOTE]
I wanted Golden to prove me a townie because of you saying that I needed to prove myself a townie.

Recharging Pokechu I don't see how it proves my credibility.

 

[Ura]

Aww crap broken quoting lol.

Just gonna re-post what I said above so it doesn't look like a jumbled mess...

I wanted Golden to prove me a townie because of you saying that I needed to prove myself a townie.

Recharging Pokechu I don't see how it proves my credibility.

 

[vaanrose]

You wanted Golden to prove your role. That would have been a complete waste of resources, when nobody suspected you of anything. Pokechu's abilities are one shot. Your role literally exists to recharge one shots. Until someone else claims one-shot, that means your entire purpose is to recharge Pokechu.

I wanted Golden to prove me a townie because of you saying that I needed to prove myself a townie.

Recharging Pokechu I don't see how it proves my credibility.[/QUOTE]

It proves your role. Its unlikely mafia would have a recharger, but it's also an easy fake claim, because a mafia can claim to use a one shot, and another can then claim to recharge. Pokechu actually having a one-shot helps establish that a) there's a reason your role exists and b) proves you actually possess it.

 

[Ura]

I get that and all but why Pokechu in particular? What if he turned out to be a Mafia and I was just giving him extra fuel?

 

[vaanrose]

I'm going to comment something about Bard's role claim that others haven't pointed out.

He's claimed an ability to poison people. Now, somewhat unfortunately, White has also claimed this first. But I'm willing to give Bard the benefit of the doubt here because I know he was writing that post forever.

Why is this important?

Because I already knew poisoning was a mechanic in this game. Someone claimed to me last night that their ability cured poison. And unless this person also told Bard, that's the biggest point in his entire post to begin to sway my opinion.

 

[vaanrose]

I get that and all but why Pokechu in particular? What if he turned out to be a Mafia and I was just giving him extra fuel?

Chu was the only one to claim a one-shot to me. Until someone else claims one-shot, there's no one else for you to even use your skill on.

 

[Ura]

Chu was the only one to claim a one-shot to me. Until someone else claims one-shot, there's no one else for you to even use your skill on.

Alternatively, Chu's ability could be used multiple times instead of a one shot and the one-shot claim could be a cover up.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The fact he's said nothing all phase only makes it clearer.

I had a busy day, okay?!

Don’t use my work schedule as an actual reason to incriminate me. That’s just dirty.

 

[vaanrose]

I had a busy day, okay?!

Don’t use my work schedule as an actual reason to incriminate me. That’s just dirty.

Mafia uses inactivity as a cover all the time. Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Pokechu]

I had a busy day, okay?!

Don’t use my work schedule as an actual reason to incriminate me. That’s just dirty.

You've had a busy day, yet in the past 11 hours (not even the past day, just 11 hours) you've made 24 posts.

Yet you couldn't come into this thread, and give the word that you're gonna be busy and not able to respond?