Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[vaanrose]

.....

Christ.
Can someone give me the tr;dr version of what the **** is going on?

All I'll really ask if you have anything to say about me or not.

 

[Pokechu]

last paged?

with two hours spent? NO WAY :'((((

 

[praline]

Well good work pokechu. I’m going to bed but for now I’ll put down a vote

Vote Bardull

 

[Deleted member]

All I'll really ask if you have anything to say about me or not.

Your claim checked out.

So I suppose you and not-Frankenstein are on the up-and-up.

 

[BarDulL]

TL;DR: Stoopid targeted vaanrose and NOT Barney, despite the two having a plan to prove each other's roles by having Stoopid target Barney (a player who has had VERY shady behavior). More specifically, vaanrose is a player who caught Stoopid in a trap. Stoopid refused to tell vaanrose any details of his role, yet felt the need to target him with it. Because vaanrose had no knowledge of this role, we can only assume it was not a beneficial role, especially because it was used on a person who had beef with the user, and vice versa.

And why use a role on a person who has beef with you at all? A person who is convinced you're mafia? A person who flat out told you the whole town thinks you're suspicious. Why use a role on THEM when you have the opportunity to prove your role AND someone else's?

Surely, the only role you would use? Would be a kill.

That wall is actually longer than I thought.

This might take a little longer than 10 minutes.

Some questions first, though:

Why, out of all the people you could have watched, chose Vaan when you agreed with me that what he did regarding Shiny was scummy? It would make more sense to track him. Why would you watch him?

Also, what are the exact results you were given?

Anyway, next up: your hypothesis solely hinges on the fact that Unikorn was the only person I was trying to get to target me to verify my role.

However, I told over half the roster my role as a means of verifying my alignment.

Why would scum do this?

More from me later.

 

[BarDulL]

The Stoopid Unikorn Can you explain why you targeted Vaan?

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, so if Uni targeted Vaan for a kill.....how did Mabe die?

 

[BarDulL]

Ok, so if Uni targeted Vaan for a kill.....how did Mabe die?

Yes, that too.

 

[Deleted member]

Like, what's the assumption, we got an attempted double kill by the scum, or do we have a goddamn Serial Killer among us?

 

[Pokechu]

Why, out of all the people you could have watched, chose Vaan when you agreed with me that what he did regarding Shiny was scummy? It would make more sense to track him. Why would you watch him?

i cant even track lol

and maaan

people got two-faces, okay?

i admit it. I'm two-faced.

ever since... the end of page 1 in our PM. i thought you were kinda sketch (looking for the doctor, went on about how you had the strongest townie role and proceeded to tell me it for nothing other than my own role, which could've easily been a fakeclaim for all you know)

so ofc im gon tell u what u wanna hear!!!!

Ok, so if Uni targeted Vaan for a kill.....how did Mabe die?

with one, striking blow, the whole argument was crushed

 

[Pokechu]

dang

spent two hours on that but cant spend a minute on how that really would've worked out

hmm

excuse me for a few minutes, because maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

that took a lotta energy

and it just

g o t

o b l i t e r a t e d

 

[BarDulL]

So, Pokechu is confirmed an idiot.

Still, I think we can derive much from this.

 

[Pokechu]

So, Pokechu is confirmed an idiot.

still got the brain to vote you out tho cuz u not town-beneficial anyway lmao

vote bardull

 

[Pokechu]

maaaaaan, i spent a good two hours on that, and you call me an idiot? :'^(

 

[Deleted member]

Don't get me wrong, it was well thought out.

....just missed a teensy CRUCIAL detail.

 

[vaanrose]

maaaaaan, i spent a good two hours on that, and you call me an idiot? :'^(

Lol, I think you raised a lot of good points, but yeah, you jumping to "Uni must have tried to kill him" thing was just because you were paranoid I would be the one killed.

Why would you watch him?

Hence why he watched me.

 

[BarDulL]

I meant that playfully. Sorry.

I'm trying to decide whether or not you're scum for this.

Let me get this straight:

You thought there was this huge master plan going on between me and Unikorn, and that the kill was attempted on Vaan.

Fine.

So now what I'm trying to figure out is, why did Unikorn target Vaan?

 

[vaanrose]

So, Pokechu is confirmed an idiot.

Yeah, nope. I'm done.

Vote: BardulL

This really isn't a cool post to make as either alignment dude.

The terms of our relationship have changed.

 

[Deleted member]

An answer we may not get until morning since this is usually when he sleeps. :V

 

[BarDulL]

Yeah, nope. I'm done.

Vote: BardulL

There is still much to discuss. I also meant that jokingly.

 

[Deleted member]

Vote: BarDulL

 

[Deleted member]

And with that, I sleep now. Night, everyone.

 

[BarDulL]

I feel betrayed by everyone.

Anyway, I still must do what I can for the Town, so I will write a long post in response to Pokechu's case.

Ugh, this sucks.

 

[vaanrose]

There is still much to discuss. I also meant that jokingly.

You got so upset over the things Nabe said to you, and nothing he said was half as bad as just straight up calling someone an idiot. I don't even care if you were joking. I also wasn't offended by your attempts to shut me up, but then Pokechu reminded me that, yeah, that's exactly what you were complaining Nabe was doing. This behavior is hypocritical and shows a lack of self-awareness.

 

[Natz~]

katts vote madness tracker~
so everyone can keep track of **** and stuff​

only gonna post this one here and leave it unedited, if anyone wants an updated version just tag me

votes needed for majority lynch, 7

Bardul (5) ura, praline, pokechu, vaanrose, golden

Spoiler: vote log

ura: votes bardul (8:42 pm)
praline: votes bardul (11:02 pm)
pokechu: votes bardul (11:15 pm)
vaanrose: votes bardul (11:21 pm)
golden: votes bardul (11:28 pm)

 

[Pokechu]

just in case

but since as of right now it's in the middle of the night for most of us

when y'all wake up, please don't see that Barney called me an idiot and QL (quick lynch) him

vote with your brain and not your heart

since let's be fair to him

after being threatened by nabe that he (nabe) wouldn't ever play a game with him (barney), and also having made a 2000 word post (that wasn't even fully thought out) on why you're scum

it's entirely possible that barney genuinely got upset, and I really do doubt that he meant what he said by calling me an idiot

like if you really think he's mafia then I can't say "DONT VOTE HIM" but I'd at least wait until Barney posts his post

since honestly, judging from how his last post was about 40 minutes before this post was posted, it's quite possible that he just gave up and is overwhelmed/distressed with what's happened to him, accepting his fate as today's lynch

like IDK "vote with your brain and not your heart" sounds pretty obvious but I think BarDulL deserves a real shot at this, I don't think he should be QL'd because one person woke up, saw ura praline me vaan and golden vote him, saw Barney call me a little dumb-dumb, hopped on the wagon, and another person did the same thing.

It was wrong of me to take that much offense to you calling me an idiot, Barney, and I'm sorry/I really do apologize. I hope that this game hasn't bullied and beat you around too much. We all still think you're a pretty rad dude.

 

[vaanrose]

It was wrong of me to take that much offense to you calling me an idiot, Barney, and I'm sorry/I really do apologize.

No. No, it really wasn't.

I'm all for giving him a chance to reply and play the game, but I'm not going to let you feel responsible for being mistreated. He should know better. He accepted the position of Moderator and that comes with responsibility. Don't belittle people, plain and simple.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm writing up the big post, but I want to make a point here:

No. No, it really wasn't.

I'm all for giving him a chance to reply and play the game, but I'm not going to let you feel responsible for being mistreated. He should know better. He accepted the position of Moderator and that comes with responsibility. Don't belittle people, plain and simple.

I'm going to reply to this as a moderator, and not as a player.

It was a joke.

I do not appreciate you trying to turn a joke into something that is malicious as a means of making me look bad and calling my moderatorship into question.

This is a behavior you have exhibited multiple times in this forum, and I may have to have a talk with you one on one about it outside of the game, because it's incredibly inappropriate.

 

[Natz~]

just gonna stick my foot out here for a bit and speak my mind

whether something is a joke is viewed to differently to everybody

what looks offensive to someone might not be to another

some don't appreciate some things as some things come to offensive than other things

its a point to keep in mind for everybody to think of how people will respond what you post

-skedaddles-

 

[BarDulL]

That's fine. I accept that people have their own opinions. Vaan clearly doesn't like me and has illustrated as much in my entire history of knowing him.

However, I have not at all infringed on my duties and responsibilities as a moderator.

Don't bring up my moderatorship into question in a game of mafia. Like, what are you even doing, man?

 

[vaanrose]

That's fine. I accept that people have their own opinions. Vaan clearly doesn't like me and has illustrated as much in my entire history of knowing him.

However, I have not at all infringed on my duties and responsibilities as a moderator.

Don't bring up my moderatorship into question in a game of mafia. Like, what are you even doing, man?

If anybody else had called someone an idiot, you'd respond in kind.

 

[BarDulL]

If anybody else had called someone an idiot, you'd respond in kind.

Are you kidding me?

An idiot? You're getting worked up over the word "idiot" when contextually Pokechu made a massive case that took over 2 hours to make which broke down under the premise that Nabe had died.

This wasn't out of the blue. This wasn't some malicious attempt to be a foul-mouth.

People crack jokes in here all the time. I can't count how many times Unikorn has called Natz s

 

[BarDulL]

My full post:

If anybody else had called someone an idiot, you'd respond in kind.

Are you kidding me?

An idiot? You're getting worked up over the word "idiot" when contextually Pokechu made a massive case that took over 2 hours to make which broke down under the premise that Nabe had died?

This wasn't out of the blue. This wasn't some malicious attempt to be a foul-mouth.

People crack jokes in here all the time. I can't count how many times Unikorn has called Natz stupid. Yet, somehow, it's wrong when I make that joke, and realize afterwards that Pokechu didn't like it?

What are you doing????????????????????????????

 

[BarDulL]

And Vaan, don't misunderstand me. I'm having this conversation with you because I want you to understand that calling someone's moderatorship into question crosses the line. We're not playing mafia anymore when you do something like that. It becomes something else. It isn't about pursuing a lynch anymore; it becomes this obscene thing that exists outside of the game, using outside context that should not at all be involved in game play.

If you have concerns about my moderatorship, here's what you can do in accordance with the global rules.

If you receive an infraction and believe it was unfair or unwarranted, you should first discuss the matter with the moderator who issued the infraction. If that fails to clear up the issue, you may post a thread in the Forum Support room. This room is open to all users who would like to discuss an issue concerning other users, policies, or staff, or other issues that require the attention of an administrator. Only administrators will be able to read your thread, and all threads will be kept confidential. For more information about Forum Support, see this announcement.

You can report me to Forum Support, and they will answer any questions and concerns you may have about my status as a moderator.

 

[Wolfie557]

Bardul I had suspicions of and also Ura last night. Bards whole game seemed to me as a tactic to gain trust and make sure noone wants to target him offensively. His behaviour in general seemed scummy and this day just emphasized this.

Ura just kept pushing for my role in a strange way .

Confession I tried to poison Nabe cos of his little game while not saying anything and Bardul telling him my role, both of who where talking to me at the same time and Nabe only questioning why I chose a certain action for bardy in his game but the posion failed clearly since he died anyway...

However I wanna hear more about Opo finally.
Vote: Oppo

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The Stoopid Unikorn Can you explain why you targeted Vaan?

Some talk with vaan made me back down after I noticed you have an oddly similar role that he had in the last game.

But I'm not a gambler, not in this game, so I got paranoid and backed down.

 

[BarDulL]

Alright guys, let's just pretend that whole shtick didn't happen and focus on game play. Vaan and I took it to PMs.

Anyway...onto my post.

In general, this game has just had a huge toll on me. I'm probably going to take a really long break from Mafia after this, I think. But I'm going to try really hard and pull through for Town with this post though...even though it's 5am, and I lost my last post due to Smashboards crashing. I apologize if there isn't as much drive behind this post of mine. Obviously, these circumstances are REALLY unfortunate and it's going to be really hard to navigate my way out for you guys, so I'm just going to be as completely transparent as possible.

Let's begin with my role claim.

I am Edmond Dantès, the Count of Monte Cristo. An Avenger. As explicitly stated in the role pm, I am a TOWNIE.

I have three passive abilities. No active abilities.

The first is called "An Eye for an Eye", and states "you'll perform every action used on you back to their user."

The second ability is called "Best Served Cold", it states "you'll only perform actions back one Night after they hit you."

The third and final ability is called "I Curse Thee With My Dying Breath". It states "since you cannot avenge your own death, when you die, you'll poison your killer, killing them on the Night after your death."

Obviously, this role is an extreme threat to the Mafia because they can't kill me without getting killed themselves. I can also verify Town abilities if they target me with informative results.

Now, as far as my gameplay is concerned:

When I first entered the game, I voted for Pokechu as an RVS vote. I began feeling a bit more suspicious of Pokechu because they seemed a bit anxious and knee-jerky in their responses. A bit over the top. I mean, Pokechu was volunteering to have himself killed on D1. However, it came off as too weird and I didn't really know how to read into it. Other players felt that it was likely Pokechu was playing the Fool. So, I looked in other directions.

I ended up moving my vote next to Nabe, who had a weird interaction with Pokechu in the beginning of the game. I felt it was an odd post because Pokechu had just volunteer to get himself lynched, yet Nabe ignored it and almost seemed to try moving attention away from Pokechu, as though the "kill me" post wasn't of much consequence.

Following other posts Nabe had made, I felt like his play was different and pressed against the slot.

Obviously, I hadn't expected Nabe to react the way he did. Threatening to never play a game with me hit pretty deep. I didn't think my push warranted that kind of response. He called me a crazed lion and said all sorts of things that I just didn't think was right. It just seemed like a really toxic interaction and I became conflicted as both a player of the game and as a person because I did not want Nabe to just never want to play a game with me again as a result of giving his slot a push on D1.

Inevitably, that is ultimately why I gave up my push and didn't try to argue with his giant wall of text, aside from the fact that he was being a little too combative and wasn't a fun person for me to engage. No offense to Nabe of course...that's just how I felt about it.

The next major thing to happen was the Shiny lynch. I wasn't there for it because I was working on the 4th of July. Right now, I'm in-between gigs since I just moved to Austin, so in order to be sustainable, I started doing Uber/Lyft in Austin while also doing job interviews. So that's why I wasn't present for the Shiny lynch with the exception of asking for a claim while on break. I thought it was very odd that the people on Shiny's lynch were not really trying to figure out what was going on with Shiny, what their claim was, asking for reads, etcetera, but it is what it is.

Going into N1, my opinion on how to play the slot was to just keep quiet and hope someone hit me. I realized though that another way to use my ability would be to verify role use and basically advertise myself. This is beneficial in my opinion because scum can't really do anything to my role without getting smacked right back, meanwhile I can basically advertise my role for free without worrying about a town-sided vigilante killing me off for incorrectly reading my slot, because they would be very much afraid of being killed on the following Night. As a result, if any town-sided role targets my slot, I can verify their ability use as long as I receive some form of notification (i.e. a cop result).

Pokechu was the first person I interacted with. I actually thought Pokechu and I were on the same page and trusted each other, but obviously this is not the case.

Pertinent information Pokechu had involved my plans with Unikorn, the fact that Nabe had a "big claim", and he also had Ura's claim.

Nabe opened up a PM with me, we had another argument about where we were both coming from. I told him my role pretty openly at the time because of my prevailing aforementioned sentiment. Eventually we both realized that it was very likely we were both Town. Nabe also claimed the Jailer to me, which helped quite a bit in convincing me he was probable Town. I had only seen a mafia jailer once before in all the games I played, so I didn't have a reason not to believe him.

Obviously, this puts me in a really bad spot, because right before Nabe died, Nabe informed Ura and Pokechu that I was the only one who knew about his role. It would be incredibly easy for me to rat out Nabe to scummates assuming I am scum.

However, I assure the Town that this is not what happened.

I do not know for sure why Nabe died. That is a complete mystery to me except for the possibility that Pokechu informed the scum team about his role. However, if this is not the case, and Pokechu really did not make this type of claim, then scum simply feared his potential to influence the game against their favor.

So, naturally, when the day phase opened up, Ura and Pokechu's immediate gut instinct was to vote for me on the premise that Nabe had suggested I had backstabbed him. Which ultimately led to this wagon that is on me right now.

As far as Unikorn is concerned, I find it odd that Unikorn opted to target Vaan instead. I can understand not trusting my slot I guess...I don't really know what more to say about that.

There is a lot of odd FUD surrounding my slot. However, my role can be verified and proven, and I assure you guys that I am an impeccably valuable asset to the continuity of this game. I absolutely would not have told over half the roster what my ability was if it was not authentic and capable of being an extremely powerful asset.

Obviously, I hadn't expected everyone to back off and be concerned about how my ability worked, so I was very naive in this regard. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet and hoped mafia would hit me and risk the chance that a vigilante might hit me. I dunno.

Right now, I feel the most suspicious player is Vaanrose. Vaanrose pushed Shiny's lynch, then claimed that he didn't really think Shiny was scum but wanted to see who else would go for Shiny. I do not feel Vaanrose is aligned with the Town, and is yet again trying to pursue a lynch for reasons that don't involve me being scummy per se, but rather because he was upset that I jokingly called Pokechu an idiot. I feel that this fits Vaan's scum meta to a tee; he is otherwise passive and pursues lynches on shaky grounds that don't necessarily coincide with what I feel to be good intentions.

I apologize for this long and probably hard to read post. I'm tired and want to go to bed. I probably won't return until later at night tomorrow.

If someone can verify the authenticity of Vaanrose's role or something to that effect, I would be open to considering a different avenue of approach.

There's no TL;DR for this because I'm really tired.

Pokechu I figure this response is adequate because it is my mostly complete transparent mindset walking into this Day phase and probably covers most of what you said. If it's not...eh, just bad luck on my end I guess.

That's all from me for now.

 

[Maven89]

Wow, ok.

I was planning to wake up early to make a big post before work but that didn’t work out so I’m gong to have to do this on mobile slowly throughout the day

TLDR: vote: Vaanrose

blatant backtracking on a lynch, claiming his lynch was a bait when his arguments for such make little sense (plenty of people voted for Shiny because the reasons were fine, shiny lied), opportunistically throwing Bardull into his lynchpool ignoring the results of his “trap”, and blatant AtE by attempting to make the Pokechu idiot thing bigger than it is and actually arguing with Pokechu over it when Pokechu said it was fine.

For what it’s worth, I chuckled when I saw what Bardull said and thought it was funny. Vaan attempting to take a moral approach over it is gross, on top of everything else.
All my reasons for this are going to be trickling in due to work so bear with me

 

[Maven89]

I was suspicious of Vaan at first for not voting for his push (which is what it was), but the thought “there’s no way he can really claim to not be responsible for it so whatever”. But then he actually tried that. More than that, he told me he was telling his plan to me specifically because I called him out for not voting, but apparently he was telling everyone anyways?

Cause that was exactly the plan. Note that I never cast a vote myself. Hell, I never even suggested he was actually mafia. It was all just pointing out weird things he was doing.

Here is the blatant backtracking from his blatant push, it’s even worse than in the pm he sent me. Vaan, you made the case for shiny to die. You then pushed it. You then let it happen. Do you really think anyone could read your posts and come away thinking you didn’t read him as mafia?

And if I know anything from time as mafia, it's that day one, the mafia are looking for any excuse to start getting a voting history will still having plausible deniability.

This is exactly what you’re doing, except for the plausible part. The idea that you’re not responsible for Shiny dying because you didn’t vote is nonsense

But Uni? Uni went one step further. He offered his own input on why Shiny was worthy of a vote. And his input directly contradicted everything I was saying. It was evidence what I was saying was wrong and yet he used it as justification for the vote. I was suggesting Shiny was faking not reading the thread. Then Uni came out and pointed out that Shiny had not given his characteristic mass-liking of posts that he always does when reading a thread.

So, yeah, Uni took the bait and then some.

How is that adding some? Where’s the contradiction here? You said he was faking not reading the thread, Uni said he wasn’t mass liking posts. Do those not correlate? I don’t think Uni had a point because it’s no different than if Shiny really wasn’t reading, but how does this imply he actually thought Shiny wasn’t reading?

And if this is the whole point of your trap, where did Bardull come from? Because you said he had a plan with Uni, but then you claimed Bardull had a plan with Pokechu, and now your vote is a moral vote because Bardull is mean? So let me guess, if you get Bardull lynched you’ll claim it was just because he was a toxic player and that we need to lynch Uni now, right? Why not lynch Uni now?

Nabe’s death could be for any reason. The mafia might have known his role, maybe they wanted to frame Bardull (which would be a waste of a NK but I wouldn’t put that past some of you), maybe they just thought Nabe wasn’t going to be lynched, maybe it was a random kill, maybe they figured he wasn’t going to be protected, etc. Focusin solely on that is pure WIFOM

 

[Maven89]

No. No, it really wasn't.

I'm all for giving him a chance to reply and play the game, but I'm not going to let you feel responsible for being mistreated. He should know better. He accepted the position of Moderator and that comes with responsibility. Don't belittle people, plain and simple.

This is gross as ****. Making a joke that someone is an idiot for a screwup is really minor, attempting to use this for a quick lynch is gross, and arguing with the person being hurt to go “no no be upset please” is even grosser.