Falco's spot on the tier

[Killing_Time]

Hey my friend told me the other day that falco dropped from third on the tier to like sixth or seventh place ive been looking around here and cant find were he saw this new tier list. Basically i wanna know if this was true or not

 

[ShadowZero1]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

There you go...

 

[pure_awesome]

Tell your friend that that's not actually a tier list, and is just a representation of how each character is doing at tournaments.

Falco is still third on the tier list, for the time being.

 

[Darxmarth23]

Wait till June.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

That list tends to have much more to do with how many people play a character, although obviously character potential does factor in heavily.

 

[Killing_Time]

i knew it was more based on tournament turn out so what im seeing is less people playing falco, why would this be has some people come up with new techs for characters and now falco's become kind of stale?

 

[wangston]

People are used to his kill moves and know how to avoid them. I would say that is Falco's biggest problem killing, that is why I think he will be moved down on the tier list. I think it will be a few spots most likly wario and ddd will move ahead.

 

[Typ_Ex]

his big problem is killing? no way. The only problem i have with him is his downsmash. his legs are much too small.

 

[Marcbri]

his big problem is killing? no way. The only problem i have with him is his downsmash. his legs are much too small.

his only really strong move is fsmash and it's kinda easy to see coming. characters like Snake or DDD will live easily until the 160 or so cause Falco is unable to hit them with his strong atacks and just has to keep trying until he gets lucky or the opponent has enough % to get killed by a bair (uair to, but bair is way easier to hit with)

 

[BleachigoZX]

his only really strong move is fsmash and it's kinda easy to see coming. characters like Snake or DDD will live easily until the 160 or so cause Falco is unable to hit them with his strong atacks and just has to keep trying until he gets lucky or the opponent has enough % to get killed by a bair (uair to, but bair is way easier to hit with)

LOL Snake has six stocks!

 

[Typ_Ex]

his only really strong move is fsmash and it's kinda easy to see coming. characters like Snake or DDD will live easily until the 160 or so cause Falco is unable to hit them with his strong atacks and just has to keep trying until he gets lucky or the opponent has enough % to get killed by a bair (uair to, but bair is way easier to hit with)

hm, i suppose. I figure a chain grab to double spike or spike to footstool and grab ledge would have done it.

 

[Darxmarth23]

I don't like how they make current tier lists.

They base a part of it off of how the character generally performs in a tourney.
That is the cause of characters to undergo infinite changes in placings.

The constant coincides make the game seem like it is evolving when it isn't.

EL showed me that.

 

[Fiery brawl]

Im pretty sure he is 3rd on the Tier list, he is just that good in my opinion

 

[bowz]

He's third on the tier list, but take a look at the character rankings list, he's plummeted. Not enough people use him to get him to place enough.

I don't think he deserves top 3 though. He's top ten imo, somewhere between 6 and 10.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

It's sort of depressing to see Falco go down for the last few months in tourneys. The ironic thing is that falco actually lowered in tournament ranking after being bumped up from 5th to 3rd on the tier list.

Speaking of.. Whatever happened to a ton of the other Falco's that used to show up here? I hardly ever hear from J4pu, Mithix, Angel, Ozz and SK92 anymore. I know Sethlon moved away from Falco.

 

[Teran]

Mith dropped Brawl and Angel dropped Falco.

SK92 never really posted that much anyway.

Ozz has kinda shifted to MK iirc.

The Falco boards are so different now Q__Q. We still has teh Denzi though. =D

 

[pure_awesome]

Ozz was considering switching to MK. But he's going to stick with Falco, at least for the time being. He still posts, moreso in the Falco Back Room. J4pu too, though he's not as active as he used to be.

Sethlon also dropped Falco, as did CY.


Falco ain't too popular nowadays. He's a hard character to be top of the top with. He just doesn't have as many options as other top tiers do. The reason he's so high is because the options he does have are supremely badass. It's really hard to be unpredictable enough with Falco, and that's a big disadvantake in Brawl.


EDIT: Where is SK92? I never see him in any tourney results anymore either.

 

[Denzi]

Tiers aren't the reason some of them switched though, amirite?

I'm pretty sure Seth switched to Shiek o_O

This board has changed a lot...

 

[Teran]

I'm pretty sure Seth switched to Shiek o_O

Didn't he switch to ZSS?

Still, all that matters is that he doesn't play Falco anymore.

The reason Falco is slipping in the ranks is because his game is more demanding than other top tiers, and many other characters for that matter.

Falco has great options, but isn't pick up and play. He is definitely one of the harder Brawl characters to pick up, and definitely among the top in difficulty to play at his peak consistently.

I really feel like my Falco's performance fluctuates more than other characters I play. Still, I'll never drop him, you guys had better not!

 

[Denzi]

Didn't he switch to ZSS?

I thought he just used ZSS for doubles (partner was a G&W).

I really feel like my Falco's performance fluctuates more than other characters I play. Still, I'll never drop him.

That's pretty much how I feel. Not gonna drop him though, don't worry.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Tiers aren't the reason some of them switched though, amirite?

I'm pretty sure Seth switched to Shiek o_O

This board has changed a lot...

Change happens. If you were here from melee in it's beginning to it's end I heard it changed a lot with new people coming in and others leaving. Brawl is the same.

I guess you could say that sethlong, mithx, angel and others were first generation, 2008. The next generation sets in with 2009 and I see pure, teran, ozz, and others taking up the call in recent months.

You Denzi are pretty much the hardcore Falco Board Junkie here

I still have a ways to go before I make a name with falco.

Didn't he switch to ZSS?

Still, all that matters is that he doesn't play Falco anymore.

The reason Falco is slipping in the ranks is because his game is more demanding than other top tiers, and many other characters for that matter.

Falco has great options, but isn't pick up and play. He is definitely one of the harder Brawl characters to pick up, and definitely among the top in difficulty to play at his peak consistently.

I really feel like my Falco's performance fluctuates more than other characters I play. Still, I'll never drop him, you guys had better not!

I remember a thing I saw on the snake boards which they got from the peach boards saying that Falco took a little under a week to learn how to use. Probably if you want to play against Falcos counters; against everyone else, a lot more time.

I'll always be using Falco. I've been using falco since september of last year. (Although it took me from release date to that month to decide Falco was my wholesome main xD, almost went with Marth). Around January I picked up Snake for a second and he sort of turned into a main. So I alternate between the 2 pretty well. If I use MK I'll be like Angel xD He used all 3.

 

[Hyo]

Honestly, Falco isn't as powerful as the tier list claims he is.

He's got.. a sliding up smash and a forward smash.
The rest rely on mistakes, and his once guaranteed spike is a thing of the past.

Not only have these boards changed, but brawl has changed. The problem is, Falco hasn't.
he's just as predictable as he always has been, and perhaps he always will be.

It's this that limits him as a character, because the creators of brawl created him with flashiness in mind. Problem is, what you see is what you get, style of substance.

I'll never stop playing Falco, it's just a shame to see what's happening to him.

 

[Runawayfire]

I've been going along using Falco just fine haha.

It is hard to be creative with Falco, but if you learn your own style, and have a deep mixup game then you'll be a lot less predictable. I feel that the recent drop of Falco numbers only actually helps us out, as we become more obscure. Giving the surprise advantage that low tier characters enjoy, to a high tier.

Minus - Representing Falco till the end.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Honestly, Falco isn't as powerful as the tier list claims he is.

He's got.. a sliding up smash and a forward smash.
The rest rely on mistakes, and his once guaranteed spike is a thing of the past.

Not only have these boards changed, but brawl has changed. The problem is, Falco hasn't.
he's just as predictable as he always has been, and perhaps he always will be.

It's this that limits him as a character, because the creators of brawl created him with flashiness in mind. Problem is, what you see is what you get, style of substance.

I'll never stop playing Falco, it's just a shame to see what's happening to him.

I'm starting to see Falco as more of a Counterpick character in the future and not someone that stands out alone. Once your character has a bad match-up Falco and JJ counterpick can almost guarantee a victory.

Since I have no offline tourneys or people to play against I've been using wifi with AiB. I start off with Snake and that gets me pretty good chances against the person I'm playing. If I win I can freely switch to Falco or stay as Snake. If I lose I've almost always been able to win with Falco on JJ. I end up playing with Falco a lot more in friendlies than actual matches. Wifi is too risky to use Falco on normally as we all know.

Falco also has a few characters that turns poor match-ups into victories for some people. Marth and Snake are the two main characters that Falco serves well as a team with. Except that Marth and Falco is deadlier team than Snake and Falco.

 

[pure_awesome]

Falco has always had a lack of varied options.

It's just that the options he does have are crazy good.

 

[Blad01]

Falco ain't too popular nowadays. He's a hard character to be top of the top with. He just doesn't have as many options as other top tiers do. The reason he's so high is because the options he does have are supremely badass. It's really hard to be unpredictable enough with Falco, and that's a big disadvantake in Brawl.

Nice analysis, this is exactly how I feel. Well not exactly to be honest. You can be unpredictable with Falco, it is just sadly not as effective as playing him with his basic options (defensive, campy, chaingrab, USmash or FSmash mindgames).
Defensive Falco > Aggressive and creative Falco. And that means that Falco is boring to play at high level, sadly.
But I'm currently looking the good mix between being creative / aggresive, and being defensive / having a great spacing. This is gonna be hard though

I think this is the main reason why top players drop him, and I was about to do the same, until I decided to find the good mix-up. (And having an aggresive secondary help, like my Marth).

But there are others reasons, as some of you already said :

Falco has great options, but isn't pick up and play. He is definitely one of the harder Brawl characters to pick up, and definitely among the top in difficulty to play at his peak consistently.

I don't think that Falco is hard to play at all, because his basic options are just effective a lot. But you're right, it still one of the harder to be consistent with. I think that this is because of his lack of range, his weight, and his dangerous recovering skills, that request to be pretty careful actually.

Honestly, Falco isn't as powerful as the tier list claims he is.

He's got.. a sliding up smash and a forward smash.
The rest rely on mistakes, and his once guaranteed spike is a thing of the past.

True, and I've always though that, since the release of the game. I expect Falco to be very high tier in the future, not only on the next tier list. He will be top 10 for sure, but not top 5 anymore. (Maybe 5th on the tier list... But I doubt it)

I'm starting to see Falco as more of a Counterpick character in the future and not someone that stands out alone. Once your character has a bad match-up Falco and JJ counterpick can almost guarantee a victory.

Me too. Or at least, I don't see Falco being a solo character anymore. Every falco main will need a secondary (most likely MK, Snake or Marth).
I think that JJ could end up being banned, though.
Honestly, I don't see any Falco winning an international tournament this year (This means Genesis, SL4 in Europe, and maybe some others)

I feel that the recent drop of Falco numbers only actually helps us out, as we become more obscure. Giving the surprise advantage that low tier characters enjoy, to a high tier.

Yahuzz ! At Least
I've been waiting that for a long time

 

[BleachigoZX]

Falco is moving down, because we suck with him. We need to step up our game. Also who cares about that list, a bunch of us would still use Falco anyways.

I'm mad I can't go to Apex and I live close by...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

What are we going to step up with?

The only thing we have found recently are more specific CG varients and LL set ups.

TL and Pikachu have a splat thing at the end of a CG thus allowing a pretty high chance of getting a LL started. TL and pikachu the LL doesn't work too well so you have to fire a single laser and then move into just about anything for the forced get-up. I favor a Gatling Combo. Good 68%-70% of damage on TL or pikach right there.

DDD has the CG to LL from a FHed Dair on the landing to LL. Plus, he gets splatted too.

MK we now know can be Footstooled thus giving us a potiential LL set up with platform canceling.

More characters can probably be set up like this, I know we can footstool G&W; I am not sure about the LL though. Depends how he lands on the ground.

So again longer and more effective combos from the CG is really the only discovery we have made to compensate for the lack of CG > Spike KO we once had.

 

[Vlade]

I've lurked since March last year, and been playing falco since January.

Kismet taught me something which I find extremely important when you're playing as falco: 'Test the opponent's reaction.'

As falco you have to be smart and patient a lot moreso than with other high tier characters. This doesn't mean just blindly camping the whole match. Simply just walk up to your opponent, and 'test' their reaction. Try doing a single jab, and 'test' their reaction. Do they shield? Spotdodge? Roll?
We should be using falco's 'prodding' game to our advantage, although you have to be aware the the opponent doesn't condition you into thinking that you know what they're going to do next after you jab.

Of course, there are loads of other ways to test you're opponent's reactions. Like Mookierah says, brawl is about playing PROACTIVELY, and not just reacting to what your opponent is doing.

If falco could kill a lot more reliably, he'd easily keep #3 spot IMO.

 

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