Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]

[Aeon Lupin]

Speaking of which,

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Revival_of_"F"

And both the Mewtwo DLC and the film are coming out within the same time frame. Pretty fitting.

 

[LoveGame]

On another note. I hope Mewtwo is a character I enjoy using in this game. I'm down to only 4 characters. Greninja, Fox, Captain Falcon, and Jiggly.

Samus' nair got changed, it bothers me a little more than it should. Falco would have been my main, but he's ruined. So I had to replace him with Fox. Everyone else is too slow, in my opinion. Except, of course, Little Mac, who has no air game. Which I hate. And then there's *shudders*...Sonic.

Spoiler

I hate Sonic.

I wish Snake or Wolf were still here.

Yeah I feel ya there. Falco did see a lot of use in both Melee and Brawl, but I don't get why they made him so hard to use now. Mewtwo in Melee/PM tailors fantastically to my playstyle, so I have a lot of hope for him in Smash 4. I miss Snake and Wolf as well. Wolf in particular is pretty much my second favorite Smash character of all time.

 

[Wise Multishine]

Yeah I feel ya there. Falco did see a lot of use in both Melee and Brawl, but I don't get why they made him so hard to use now. Mewtwo in Melee/PM tailors fantastically to my playstyle, so I have a lot of hope for him in Smash 4. I miss Snake and Wolf as well. Wolf in particular is pretty much my second favorite Smash character of all time.

It's not really that Falco is hard to use, it's just the fact that there's nothing special about him anymore. He doesn't do anything especially well, except jump. He's not even a fast faller anymore. His down air is nerfed to hell. It's just disappointing, in my opinion. Instead of bringing back Dr. Mario for people that liked old Mario, they should have kept old Falco. It's a much larger difference.

And yes, Wolf was great. Not a clone whatsoever, contrary to popular belief. Also, fun to use.

 

[LoveGame]

It's not really that Falco is hard to use, it's just the fact that there's nothing special about him anymore. He doesn't do anything especially well, except jump. He's not even a fast faller anymore. His down air is nerfed to hell. It's just disappointing, in my opinion. Instead of bringing back Dr. Mario for people that liked old Mario, they should have kept old Falco. It's a much larger difference.

And yes, Wolf was great. Not a clone whatsoever, contrary to popular belief. Also, fun to use.

I noticed that actually. Falco was the only character out of Melee's top 8 that I had any interest in learning at all and I liked him so much more than Fox due to his devastating down air and stun lasers. I didn't even care that his recovery was worse.

I get so pissed when people call Wolf a clone or even a semi. It's in so many videos. "Why did they put another Fox clone! His moves are exactly the same as Fox's!" I actually heard someone say that once.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I noticed that actually. Falco was the only character out of Melee's top 8 that I had any interest in learning at all and I liked him so much more than Fox due to his devastating down air and stun lasers. I didn't even care that his recovery was worse.

I get so pissed when people call Wolf a clone or even a semi. It's in so many videos. "Why did they put another Fox clone! His moves are exactly the same as Fox's!" I actually heard someone say that once.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here.

I have high hopes for Mewtwo. Hopefully they don't make him overpowered, otherwise he might get nerfed to hell. But this is Nintendo and Sakurai. We could get the best or the worst.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I play the characters depending on if I like them as a character and not so much how they play. That might be why I still play as Ness as one of my mains and why I will be playing as Mewtwo. It's also why I play as Greninja and Charizard (even though if I were to play by style I'm not a big fan of slow characters). I also play as Samus sometimes because I enjoyed playing the Metroid games.

 

[U-Throw]

I noticed that actually. Falco was the only character out of Melee's top 8 that I had any interest in learning at all and I liked him so much more than Fox due to his devastating down air and stun lasers. I didn't even care that his recovery was worse.

I get so pissed when people call Wolf a clone or even a semi. It's in so many videos. "Why did they put another Fox clone! His moves are exactly the same as Fox's!" I actually heard someone say that once.

I swear to God, I wanna kill whoever said that. Quite bluntly, if you think they're even close to being the same character, then you clearly are either completely oblivious to basically everything, or you've never even played Brawl and don't have the slightest idea what you talking about. Wolf and Fox are completely different characters with completely different play styles and completely different move sets. They don't even begin to compare. Also, I've noticed that the dipsticks that tend to believe that also tend to think Mewtwo is a clone of Lucario. And that, my friends, is when I go from blistering fury to suicidal.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I dislike it when people say Mewtwo and Lucario play the same or Ness and Lucas play the same, so I completely understand when people say Wolf plays the same. One of my friends even said Lucas and Ness are the same when I was playing Brawl with him. I was kind of mad, but then I realized he's the kind of person who calls Smash 4 Brawl just because he knows it annoys me...

 

[Wise Multishine]

I play the characters depending on if I like them as a character and not so much how they play. That might be why I still play as Ness as one of my mains and why I will be playing as Mewtwo. It's also why I play as Greninja and Charizard (even though if I were to play by style I'm not a big fan of slow characters). I also play as Samus sometimes because I enjoyed playing the Metroid games.

Yeah. I attempt to learn the characters that I like first. If I get to a certain level and I don't like the way they play, I usually give up.

I happened to end up with Jigglypuff this time around. Somehow.

 

[LancerStaff]

So... Has anybody considered the possibility that Mewtwo could just be a "just for fun" character? Like, he's really overpowered and stuff and can't be used on randoms, sorta like Miis.

 

[Wise Multishine]

So... Has anybody considered the possibility that Mewtwo could just be a "just for fun" character? Like, he's really overpowered and stuff and can't be used on randoms, sorta like Miis.

That sounds like the worst thing I've ever heard. If I wanted that, I'd use Giga Bowser in Project M.

Also. Smash Bros has never really done that.

 

[U-Throw]

I dislike it when people say Mewtwo and Lucario play the same or Ness and Lucas play the same, so I completely understand when people say Wolf plays the same. One of my friends even said Lucas and Ness are the same when I was playing Brawl with him. I was kind of mad, but then I realized he's the kind of person who calls Smash 4 Brawl just because he knows it annoys me...

Oh yeah, those kind of people. I really hate them.
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So, you do know that Ness and Lucas are the same thing, right?

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

Oh yeah, those kind of people. I really hate them.
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So, you do know that Ness and Lucas are the same thing, right?

Haha. If I were to take it seriously here, I'd list all the differences.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

So... Has anybody considered the possibility that Mewtwo could just be a "just for fun" character? Like, he's really overpowered and stuff and can't be used on randoms, sorta like Miis.

If that happens, I will cry. I would rather Mewtwo be the worst character in the game then have that be the case. At least then I could still use him...

 

[U-Throw]

So... Has anybody considered the possibility that Mewtwo could just be a "just for fun" character? Like, he's really overpowered and stuff and can't be used on randoms, sorta like Miis.

I suppose it's possible, but only a very tiny bit so. Plus, I don't particularly like the idea. I want to actually compete and use him in tournaments, not always destroy who I'm playing against because my character is overpowered. And, they're taking so long to make Mewtwo, I find it highly unlikely that he's just gong to be a joke character. It just wouldn't be received well, and certainly would do justice to a character whose been missing for 7 years.

 

[LoveGame]

I play the characters depending on if I like them as a character and not so much how they play. That might be why I still play as Ness as one of my mains and why I will be playing as Mewtwo. It's also why I play as Greninja and Charizard (even though if I were to play by style I'm not a big fan of slow characters). I also play as Samus sometimes because I enjoyed playing the Metroid games.

That's how I am with every fighting game. Marvel Vs. Capcom? I'll take Morrigan, Zero, Iron Man, or Shuma-Gorath and you can keep your Sentinel or whatever.

With SSB it's a bit odd. Characters like Mewtwo, Wolf, Samus, and Robin are ones that I'm a fan of in their actual series, yet they also fit my playstyle and were fun for me to learn. I concede that, for example, Sheik and Ice Climbers are great and deserve their high-tier placement, but they simply aren't interesting to me as characters or playstyles. I'm just that odd man out who plays "serious" competitive Smash yet only picks characters he likes. o 3o

 

[LancerStaff]

That sounds like the worst thing I've ever heard. If I wanted that, I'd use Giga Bowser in Project M.

Also. Smash Bros has never really done that.

Hasn't really done "DLC" before either, not that Sakurai will call it that. We really don't know what they'll do for Mewtwo at this point, and Sakurai is always about "keeping things fair" and whatnot. If Sakurai thought from the start that Mewtwo wouldn't be allowed online because of his own standards, next logical step is to further justify it.

That, and it'd help with Mewtwo's rather underwhelming moveset from Melee.

Haha. If I were to take it seriously here, I'd list all the differences.

I'm the kinda person who doesn't care about minor differences. It's just that Lucas's net moveset wasn't that different from Ness's. Nspecial hits like bricks, Uspecial is a funky recovery, Dtilt is a silly kick, and so on. You largely fight them the same way. Slightly changing the range and power of a few moves does very little. Wolf I'm not too familiar with, but he was better then Lucas by a mile.

You can see the quality over quantity idea with Pit and Dark Pit. Three real moves with any difference whatsoever. It's not that they couldn't of made more different moves, but why bother? What good does it do you to ever so slightly change the A moves? Pit and Dark Pit are used for significantly different things. Pit's arrows can hit you basically wherever you are. You can't just hop past them like with DP's. Then if Pit tries to attack you offstage with his Fspecial, you'll take a bit of damage and get popped up, nothing extraordinary. Dark Pit's will likely gimp you if you're hit, however. You understand what I'm saying?

I suppose it's possible, but only a very tiny bit so. Plus, I don't particularly like the idea. I want to actually compete and use him in tournaments, not always destroy who I'm playing against because my character is overpowered. And, they're taking so long to make Mewtwo, I find it highly unlikely that he's just gong to be a joke character. It just wouldn't be received well, and certainly would do justice to a character whose been missing for 7 years.

Let's be honest here: Most people aren't interested in competing in the slightest. Most of his fans are kids who know how OP he is in his own games and the show. It really wouldn't be that controversial, and people deal with him being banned in his own series all the time without complaining.

 

[LoveGame]

I swear to God, I wanna kill whoever said that. Quite bluntly, if you think they're even close to being the same character, then you clearly are either completely oblivious to basically everything, or you've never even played Brawl and don't have the slightest idea what you talking about. Wolf and Fox are completely different characters with completely different play styles and completely different move sets. They don't even begin to compare. Also, I've noticed that the dipsticks that tend to believe that also tend to think Mewtwo is a clone of Lucario. And that, my friends, is when I go from blistering fury to suicidal.

or maybe they're casul
Seriously, when I learned Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl, I dedicated most of my playtime to maining Wolf (which is partially why I felt so trolled prior to Mewtwo's announcement), and beyond the similar specials, he was night-and-day from Fox.

Oh, man. The same neutral B totally makes Lucario a clone. Like I said before, I don't get why his haters say that so much. and as the great U-Throw knows, no true Murikan would ever make that mistake

 

[KieRanaRan]

What's the one thing you guys are looking forward to most with Mewtwo's return?

For me, the single most important thing I can't wait to do is that up throw. It's just so... *drools*

 

[LIQUID12A]

What's the one thing you guys are looking forward to most with Mewtwo's return?

For me, the single most important thing I can't wait to do is that up throw. It's just so... *drools*

Just...this. Run Mewtwo vs Master Core on 9.0. With a partner. Crush him.

 

[Wise Multishine]

What's the one thing you guys are looking forward to most with Mewtwo's return?

For me, the single most important thing I can't wait to do is that up throw. It's just so... *drools*

I want to toss people around with my long tail. If you know what I mean.

Naw, but seriously. I want to see what his moveset is going to look like with these graphics. The character detail this time around is ridiculously well done. Especially with 60 fps. I really want to see his Smash attacks, Forward Throw, and Shadow Ball.

Although. He may have a very different moveset this time around.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

What's the one thing you guys are looking forward to most with Mewtwo's return?

For me, the single most important thing I can't wait to do is that up throw. It's just so... *drools*

I want to see the similarities and the differences with him compared to his appearance in Melee. I want to see what changes they give him to make him a more balanced fighter. I'm also looking forward to doing it in a way that the original Mewtwo players don't feel like they're playing a new character, so much as it is an upgrade to the existing one.

...and, you know, the Final Smash. Oh, dear Arceus...the FINAL SMASH!!

 

[MagiusNecros]

What's the one thing you guys are looking forward to most with Mewtwo's return?

For me, the single most important thing I can't wait to do is that up throw. It's just so... *drools*

An announcement for more DLC characters. Duh.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I'm the kinda person who doesn't care about minor differences. It's just that Lucas's net moveset wasn't that different from Ness's. Nspecial hits like bricks, Uspecial is a funky recovery, Dtilt is a silly kick, and so on. You largely fight them the same way. Slightly changing the range and power of a few moves does very little. Wolf I'm not too familiar with, but he was better then Lucas by a mile.

I'd say animation and function-wise, they are different in F-air, B-air, N-air, Lucas' D-air is multiple hits while Ness is 1, F-tilt, U-tilt, grabs and throws, U-smash, and D-smash. I might be forgetting more. They are still much more different than Pit and Dark Pit.

 

[Aeon Lupin]

Don't know if this was posted, but so much win..

 

[Runaway Chico]

Can't wait day one purchase for me.

 

[Smashbro596]

Oh yeah, those kind of people. I really hate them.
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So, you do know that Ness and Lucas are the same thing, right?

i loathe them too. also.... i may not have played with lucas much, but i still wanted him to return.....
yes im a mother 3 fanboy. >w<

 

[Runaway Chico]

i loathe them too. also.... i may not have played with lucas much, but i still wanted him to return.....
yes im a mother 3 fanboy. >w<

Doesn't Ness have some custom move-sets that are similar to Lucas?

 

[LancerStaff]

I'd say animation and function-wise, they are different in F-air, B-air, N-air, Lucas' D-air is multiple hits while Ness is 1, F-tilt, U-tilt, grabs and throws, U-smash, and D-smash. I might be forgetting more. They are still much more different than Pit and Dark Pit.

It's just a bunch of silly tit-for-tat changes though. How many of these will completely change the dynamic of a matchup? The fact that Lucas's attacks were usually just worse then Ness's didn't really help matters.

 

[Igzex]

In defense of people who think Lucario is the same as Mewtwo, Mewtwo wasn't played a lot in Melee because of its low tier reputation so they don't remember much about what Mewtwo does. Still didn't stop me from telling a friend "Ok this faster Mewtwo you've been telling me this is does kung fu just like Mewtwo, has a Gadouken just like Mewtwo, his Shadow Ball goes in a straight path just like Mewtwo, has a Counter just like Mewtwo, and never disappears just like Mewtwo. Get out of my house." when we first got to play with everyone in brawl.

People who call Wolf and Lucas clones are just being salty.

So... Has anybody considered the possibility that Mewtwo could just be a "just for fun" character? Like, he's really overpowered and stuff and can't be used on randoms, sorta like Miis.

The Miis were not intended to be broken. Besides, brawler is the only class that's even close to being overpowered because of that piston punch thing but that wasn't the intention behind Miis being excluded from online play with random people. They really didn't think "Ok lets just break one of the Mii classes with one move" as much as they did "Let's avoid potential issues with parents and copyrights" when deciding that.

I never considered that possibility because this game is developed by Sora ltd. and Namco, not Gamefreak. I'd assume they'd have better design sense than to intentionally break a character people are paying money for. Like, I'd expect a character I can fully enjoy rather than something that can't be used with random people and will probably get soft banned by friends.

Hasn't really done "DLC" before either, not that Sakurai will call it that. We really don't know what they'll do for Mewtwo at this point, and Sakurai is always about "keeping things fair" and whatnot. If Sakurai thought from the start that Mewtwo wouldn't be allowed online because of his own standards, next logical step is to further justify it.

That, and it'd help with Mewtwo's rather underwhelming moveset from Melee.

I don't think they have to get that extreme to make up for being poorly tested in Melee...

 

[LancerStaff]

In defense of people who think Lucario is the same as Mewtwo, Mewtwo wasn't played a lot in Melee because of its low tier reputation so they don't remember much about what Mewtwo does. Still didn't stop me from telling a friend "Ok this faster Mewtwo you've been telling me this is does kung fu just like Mewtwo, has a Gadouken just like Mewtwo, his Shadow Ball goes in a straight path just like Mewtwo, has a Counter just like Mewtwo, and never disappears just like Mewtwo. Get out of my house." when we first got to play with everyone in brawl.

People who call Wolf and Lucas clones are just being salty.


The Miis were not intended to be broken. Besides, brawler is the only class that's even close to being overpowered because of that piston punch thing but that wasn't the intention behind Miis being excluded from online play with random people. They really didn't think "Ok lets just break one of the Mii classes with one move" as much as they did "Let's avoid potential issues with parents and copyrights" when deciding that.

I never considered that possibility because this game is developed by Sora ltd. and Namco, not Gamefreak. I'd assume they'd have better design sense than to intentionally break a character people are paying money for. Like, I'd expect a character I can fully enjoy rather than something that can't be used with random people and will probably get soft banned by friends.


I don't think they have to get that extreme to make up for being poorly tested in Melee...

Ahem, "sorta." Just taking a glance at them, they're not really well balanced. Not strong, but weak. Like they were just for fun.

We really don't know if we're even paying for Mewtwo yet, since that was NoE that told us and not NoJ. NoE has been pretty unreliable lately...

 

[Igzex]

Mii gunner is ok. It has some neat mobility tricks and zoning tools like f.air.

Mii Swordsman though is pretty bad. Still don't think that's their main reason for being unusable in randoms.

 

[LancerStaff]

Mii gunner is ok. It has some neat mobility tricks and zoning tools like f.air.

Mii Swordsman though is pretty bad. Still don't think that's their main reason for being unusable in randoms.

Not only is there no default size, there's no default moves either. Miis can use custom moves without them being activated. They're strictly just for fun custom characters, even with customs off.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

So... does anyone here play Destiny on PS3 or PS4? Looking for some buds to rek the new raid with.
PSN ID: ViewtifulJesse

(And Viewtiful Joe would have made an awesome addition to Smash.)

 

[Igzex]

Not only is there no default size, there's no default moves either. Miis can use custom moves without them being activated. They're strictly just for fun custom characters, even with customs off.

I'm aware they're thrown in for fun (And so I can finally include Jack Thompson in Super Smash Bros) but the difference is you can play them with friends and not get a defiant sigh as a response to that.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Don't know if this was posted, but so much win..

...that's a thing....

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

It's just a bunch of silly tit-for-tat changes though. How many of these will completely change the dynamic of a matchup? The fact that Lucas's attacks were usually just worse then Ness's didn't really help matters.

If Lucas' differences are silly tit-for-tat changes, why aren't Wolf's?

 

[Igzex]

Admittedly, Wolf is more different from Fox than Lucas is from Ness but should that really matter too much?

 

[LancerStaff]

If Lucas' differences are silly tit-for-tat changes, why aren't Wolf's?

Wolf's are more important differences. His Ftilt reacts with shields in a way to hit impatient opponents and doesn't resemble Fox's at all, his reflector comes out much slower but reflects much more strongly, his Fspecial can meteor opponents with careful positioning, and more. No, I don't remember exactly, but there's plenty more.

Whereas Ness and Lucas get things like their arbitrary Dspecial, Nspecial, and Uspecial differences. Almost every A move of theirs covers the same area in roughly the same way. They don't even have significant size or speed differences. There's very little difference in playstyle with these two.

Lucas may not be a clone in the most traditional sense, but he can basically be treated like one.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

For me, hearing people say Ness and Lucas have very little differences is like hearing people say Mewtwo and Lucario have very little differences. I played as both a lot in Brawl, and I had to use both differently.

Edit: Lucas' b-air can spike if timed and positioned correctly. Ness' just goes in one direction. Lucas has an extra recovery option with tether. Wolf's reflector comes out slower but the projectile is reflected faster. Lucas' PK Fire travels further and pushes opponents back while Ness' may trap opponents who don't know how to DI out of it. Lucas' Psi Magnet may do damage while Ness' can't.