Exten Tuy Mafia: Carbon-14 | Game Over! Who won? : dGames Reject Copy

[CT Chia]

should cop claim or should we popcorn?

 

[CT Chia]

might as well popcorn since to the scum if cop claims they know who the other 2 vanillas are anyway

 

[Tom]

sorry but how are you using the term popcorn? you mean popcorn claiming?

why would we do that if the cop hasnt claimed? all claims will be vanilla except for the cops.

and to copy to the next page: we all agree that our best odds today are 50/50 unless cop claims with a guilty?

 

[CT Chia]

yea popcorn claiming, person claims, chooses next person to claim, etc

could limit the options of mafia's fake claims maybe? idk

 

[Tom]

idk if it does anything at all

i think somethings going on that i dont quite understand, but claiming is probably not the route we take now

 

[Omni]

popcorn doesn't help. i talked about the claiming situation along time ago early in Day 1.

going to bed. i'll reread tomorrow

 

[CT Chia]

I think I've got my #1 suspect for the day so far.

 

[CT Chia]

this game si falling inactive...

 

[Chaco]

Mhm, CK hasn't posted as of yet.

 

[Omni]

I'm a bit V/LA but I am up to pace with the game.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with CK finally being up to par with the game since he's been inactive for so long. I'd also prefer if no one posted their suspicions until CK posts his so he can't piggyback any ideas.

 

[Omni]

Xiivi, another prod on CK please.

 

[CT Chia]

CK just posted in the SS saying he's really sick and stuff, and off to bed for the night so he won't be posting until tomorrow at the earliest.

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for March 3, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 3/5 to lynch!

Day 2 Vote Count 1:​

Chaco: (0)
ChiboSempai: (0)
Crimson King: (0)
Omni: (0)
Tom: (0)
Not Voting: Chaco, ChiboSempai, Crimson King, Omni, Tom ( )

Crimson King has been prodded. Deadline has been shortened to March 3, 2010 11:59PM.

 

[Crimson King]

CK just posted in the SS saying he's really sick and stuff, and off to bed for the night so he won't be posting until tomorrow at the earliest.

Not so fast, I got the PM before heading off.

After a bit of rereading, I feel the least comfortable with Omni and Chaco. My problem is I can't pinpoint exactly WHERE they make me feel so uncomfortable, perhaps Omni's urge to keep the game moving as fast as possible (which, with a deadline a week away, benefits mafia over town), or Chaco's earlier play.

On Tom: **** you... Tom could literally post "I'm mafia," and I'd miss the signs there because I cannot read his game. Chibo... I can't get a good read on because of the stuff I've been taking, but I really have him confused with Chaco a lot (seriously, the C does it...)

So, if I had to absolutely vote, I'd probably put it on Omni since I don't like his pushing the game along. I kind of wish more people would have picked up my challenge to reread everyone who is still alive. In fact, if I am capable of sitting up, I may just link to all posts in the thread that everyone alive posted, and see if that helps.

I hate this game because the town is so ****ing close to winning, but we have a lot of risks to go off of.

 

[CT Chia]

Glad to hear someone else say who they are suspicious of with CK's thoughts there on Omni and Chaco, and it actually matches up with my current #1 suspect Omni as well.

In this time of lylo I figure we need something to help edge the town to making the right decision, so I'm looking at the vote list on Hilt from day 1 which was myself, Kevin, Tom, and Omni. Kevin flipped scum. I realize I was on a mislynch, but I explained all of my reasons in the thread for that vote and was one of the earliest that suck with it. Leaving Tom and Omni. I really can't see every single townie (besides Hilt) voting for him. The chances are too low, so I'm saying either Tom or Omni is scum. Maybe both, maybe only one. Take it one step at a time.

I agree with the same reasons on Omni that CK gave, and I feel a lot more comfortable with that lynch. He was the hammering vote on Hilt with only about 20 or so minutes after Hilts claim, which Omni didn't let us discuss at all which I find odd. Omni was also against Tom's plan at first yet pretty much did just as he wants, kind of conflicting isn't it? A VT claimed and he went right for the lynch without any kind of discussion.

Vote: Omni

 

[Omni]

Chibo, you need to unvote me immediately. We're in LYLO and yet you're jumping on a vote just because one person had a single point that you agreed with?

@CK: I'm not understanding your point against me. You said you don't have a read on me, but the read you have on Chaco is the one I pointed out. How exactly are you ONLY acknowledging my intent of wanting to keep the game moving at a fast pace? I only joined this game because I was lured with hopes of activity (which was shut down by Air and you). There's nothing off about me wanting to have an active game and the only rush I wanted was your lack of activity.

@Chibo: Think. Hilt claimed vanilla. That claim has no bearing on the fact that he needed to die. Tell me: what would you have discussed? Did you think about the scenario? The only safe claim he could have made was claiming an investigator. Otherwise, a vanilla claim is the safest and best claim for scum to make in that situation.

I'm really hoping I'm not dead yet because scum isn't on at the same time. If the game ends like this, I'mma be severely pissed at you voting me on the SAME basis as the reason as to why you found me scummy, Chibo.

 

[CT Chia]

For now I'll

Unvote

So we can discuss a little more. There's still more to hear, such as this cop out there.

 

[Tom]

interesting that there was a chibo vote on omni for two hours and mafia didnt quicklynch

 

[Omni]

^very

not sure where you were. both chaco and ck weren't online during that time period as well. their last posts of the night seem to be before Chibo's vote.

were you around during that time frame, tom?

 

[CT Chia]

Omni and CK are set to invisible.

Myself Tom and Chaco are all set to visible.

Interesting...

 

[Omni]

I've been invisible for the past year, Chibo. Or do you think I set myself invisible for the sole purpose of playing this game? lol

you're worrying me a lot, chibo. answer the question i asked you in my above post. why would you vote me on the same basis that you were deeming me scummy for? what more did u want to discuss with Hilt? did you not see Hilt being the lynch candidate at that point? i really dont see u thinking these things through all the way and the fact that u nearly attempted to push a quick lynch after inactive ck threw in his 2 cents really bugs me

 

[CT Chia]

No, I don't think you're invisible for this game, I just said it of note since you had asked if Tom was around in that time frame so I checked his activity.

And I don't get how I'm doing the same thing as what you did. Hilt claimed then you hammered right away. I don't see anyone claiming and I'm the first vote on someone. While yes, it could have gotten you killed if there was 2 scum jumpin on for the quick lynch, it opened up some information because of you not being quick lynched as Tom pointed out.

 

[CT Chia]

Judging by posting history, Tom (and omni lol) were definitely around during the time of Omni being at L-2...

 

[Tom]

i didnt check the thread between the vote and unvotes, but i was either browsing other parts of swf or hex programming Rival

 

[CT Chia]

You did visit the LoD though in that time to post in the rival thread, and IMO if you were scum and saw the Exten Tuy thread bolded and at the top of the list, you would have checked it just to make sure there wasn't a vote on someone, in which case there was, so you could have contacted ur scumbuddy to insta-win. However, since (assuming for this point) your not scum you werent in an urgency to check the thread to make sure there wasnt a quick lynch you could jump on. Either that, or you're scum as well and had no input (and not vote to jump on) if I had voted your scum partner. Not calling you scum, just saying the two possibilities. Either way though, it doesn't look good for Omni in my book. Anyone have any better leads?

 

[Omni]

No, I don't think you're invisible for this game, I just said it of note since you had asked if Tom was around in that time frame so I checked his activity.

the question is what are you noting it for? it seems like you're trying to tack on something to shine me off in a bad light if you're only noting for the sake of noting and not reasoning

And I don't get how I'm doing the same thing as what you did. Hilt claimed then you hammered right away. I don't see anyone claiming and I'm the first vote on someone. While yes, it could have gotten you killed if there was 2 scum jumpin on for the quick lynch, it opened up some information because of you not being quick lynched as Tom pointed out.

I agree with the same reasons on Omni that CK gave, and I feel a lot more comfortable with that lynch. He was the hammering vote on Hilt with only about 20 or so minutes after Hilts claim, which Omni didn't let us discuss at all which I find odd.

after days of discussion and people pretty much agreeing that Hilt is the play i hammered Hilt. pretty sure i said i'd be willing to hammer Hilt once he hit L-1.

you listened to only one person's (CK of all people) very vague reasoning for suspecting me and justified your agreeance on the issue by voting me in LYLO and potentially ending the day. what you did was ridiculously scummy/stupid and you have yet to give a clear reason as to why i am scummy

you're still not answering my questions completely, chibo.

"@Chibo: Think. Hilt claimed vanilla. That claim has no bearing on the fact that he needed to die. Tell me: what would you have discussed? Did you think about the scenario? The only safe claim he could have made was claiming an investigator. Otherwise, a vanilla claim is the safest and best claim for scum to make in that situation."

Omni was also against Tom's plan at first yet pretty much did just as he wants, kind of conflicting isn't it? A VT claimed and he went right for the lynch without any kind of discussion.

Vote: Omni

when was i against Tom's plan? pretty sure he asked you and I about the plan and i couldn't find what merits it had to offer originally until he explained it. with that said, his scenario was to have a vanilla claim immediately as opposed to finding scum ourselves.

again, answer the question. what discussion would have been made? Hilt claiming vanilla SOLIDIFIES him being the best lynch candidate on the basis of being the scummiest and using the safest claim.

either you need to reexamine your approach or you're going to need to clarify your reasoning for your actions.

the only information we got from your vote is how dumb you're playing this if you're town. chaco/ck/tom were not around during that time frame so claiming that we "got information" based on your dumb move is silly

 

[Omni]

You did visit the LoD though in that time to post in the rival thread, and IMO if you were scum and saw the Exten Tuy thread bolded and at the top of the list, you would have checked it just to make sure there wasn't a vote on someone, in which case there was, so you could have contacted ur scumbuddy to insta-win. However, since (assuming for this point) your not scum you werent in an urgency to check the thread to make sure there wasnt a quick lynch you could jump on. Either that, or you're scum as well and had no input (and not vote to jump on) if I had voted your scum partner. Not calling you scum, just saying the two possibilities. Either way though, it doesn't look good for Omni in my book. Anyone have any better leads?

*facepalm*

are u really making an argument based off this extremely circumstantial meta? you simply explained why Tom's existence or lack thereof was a null-tell yet you're noting it anyway

anyway, i got ninja'd so answer my questions from above

 

[Chaco]

Chibo, that's so dumb. For real.

CK, can you elaborate more?

 

[Tom]

no, im pretty much following chibo's thought processes and they dont look dumb to me

 

[CT Chia]

Chaco, mind contributing today?

 

[Omni]

^this

chibo, you gonna answer the questions or no

 

[CT Chia]

when was i against Tom's plan? pretty sure he asked you and I about the plan and i couldn't find what merits it had to offer originally until he explained it. with that said, his scenario was to have a vanilla claim immediately as opposed to finding scum ourselves.

Just said it yourself really, you couldn't find what merits it had to offer. If you couldn't see the point to it then you weren't for it.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9561706&postcount=31

again, answer the question. what discussion would have been made?

You ask Hilt to claim
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9622458&postcount=261

Hilt claims
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9623561&postcount=263

You hammer right away
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9623672&postcount=264

If you are asking for a claim (not like someone else did and you walk up and hammer, your the one who wanted it), then you had to have some kind of reason for him claiming. No response at all to his claim despite YOU asking him for it? Seems kind of farfetched. We didn't take the time to discuss numbers or anything, plans for the next day or something, perhaps maybe a plan for who the cop and seer should investigate? You ripped the strategy out of our end of day. Why did you have to quick hammer? Afraid Hilt was going to provide a good enough defense to save himself (mainly thx to Air)? I'll admit, it wasn't likely, and you knew it wasn't either. There was no rush, and you rushed it. Thanks for ruining any investigation strategy we could have had.

I'm ready to vote Omni again whenever we're ready to end this. Should we wait for Chaco to weigh in on everything or leave him in the dark and wait for him to bus Omni anyway?

 

[Crimson King]

You know, Omni seems to REALLY be pushing off the most important ****ing thing I've seen all game. If Omni was town, and Mafia was watching closely, which in LYLO they have no reason not to, they would have lynched him and won. Odd, they didn't do that.

Omni - you got REALLY aggressive when I posted my thoughts on my most suspicious people. You got defensive with no alternate points other than trying to discredit me without accusing me. I find that exchange to be pretty telling for someone so hellbent on playing a quick game. I need to dig a bit more, and since I don't have work/only hurting a little bit, I am reading your posts closely.

 

[Chaco]

no, im pretty much following chibo's thought processes and they dont look dumb to me

So, you are willing to chance a game on shotty meta with more possible ifs than the .02% chance of success? Can you tell me where and how this could even be slightly accurate? Explain why.

You said you did not view this game; how would it affect this meta?

On the case of invisibles, do you find it likely that scum sets to invisible to avoid lurking the thread? If so, why and when would this be effective?

Chaco, mind contributing today?

I am. Currently I'm refuting your meta bull****.

 

[Tom]

So, you are willing to chance a game on shotty meta with more possible ifs than the .02% chance of success? Can you tell me where and how this could even be slightly accurate? Explain why.

You said you did not view this game; how would it affect this meta?

On the case of invisibles, do you find it likely that scum sets to invisible to avoid lurking the thread? If so, why and when would this be effective?

??? "chance a game?" there is a 50/50 chance no matter what from my perspective what are you talking about??

 

[Omni]

You know, Omni seems to REALLY be pushing off the most important ****ing thing I've seen all game. If Omni was town, and Mafia was watching closely, which in LYLO they have no reason not to, they would have lynched him and won. Odd, they didn't do that.

Omni - you got REALLY aggressive when I posted my thoughts on my most suspicious people. You got defensive with no alternate points other than trying to discredit me without accusing me. I find that exchange to be pretty telling for someone so hellbent on playing a quick game. I need to dig a bit more, and since I don't have work/only hurting a little bit, I am reading your posts closely.

you're assuming that scum would expect someone like Chibo to pull a silly move like that early in to Day 2. you're also assuming that Tom/Chaco/Yourself would be available at the same time to pounce on my vote within that 2 hour time frame.

dumb day would be dumb if i'm lynched on the basis of no one pouncing during a 2 hour time frame.

would really like for someone to point out my scumminess rather than attempt to meta this day into a quick loss.

 

[CT Chia]

chaco, what r u talking about when saying meta like that, I don't kno what ur trying to say

 

[Chaco]

??? "chance a game?" there is a 50/50 chance no matter what from my perspective what are you talking about??

There's a lot better chance if you do not rely on this meta.

@Chibo: Metaing as in what you did: Stalked to find who was on. That is not accurate and never will be. That will lose you a game. Now if you will Chibo, answer the questions I presented to Tom.

 

[CT Chia]

Wow wtf that's what you guys mean? (i thought metagaming btw was playing off of past games)

you guys are really taking that as my reasoning to want to lynch omni?

it all started as a response to omni:

were you around during that time frame, tom?

so i answered for him and saw toms activity. though with tom being around during the time frame of the vote, its a reason to give him a tad more reason to believe he's townie over someone like you or CK. anything helps at this point in lylo chaco. and while looking at toms activity, i thought why the hell not, lets check out everyone elses. i did it just for facts, not pushing any lynches based off of it.

now that i know what your claim of me metaing is, and i most certainly am not

Chaco, if you would mind actually doing something today if you please?

 

[Chaco]

What else would you call it Chibo? There's no other thing to call it.

Metaing is not limited to past play, doing stupid crap like people in dGames do can do the same. "I see you looking at this thread, hurr." Exactly what you did. FoS