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[#HBC | marshy]

hit up orbo to replace. good luck with the issues youre facing soup

votecount 2.08
nabe (2) - pjb kary
pjb (2) - soup nabe
soup (2) - kataefi ran
not voting (3) - rockin circus death bear

voting log
soup -> pjb
pjb -> nabe
rockin ->
death bear -> nabe -> none
ranmaru -> nabe -> none -> pjb -> soup
circus ->
nabe -> pjb
kataefi -> nabe -> soup
kary -> nabe

with 9 ballin it takes 5 to hardbody. deadline is 3/29 11:59:59 pm est

 

[ranmaru]

Well maybe you could show me where your mood was declining? What exact emotions were going through your head that justify your actions as town, and not scum? (You only seemed irritated, and I didn't believe your "hilarious" comment, which felt to me like you were just trying to laugh off an accusation, as Swiss often does... and laughs at my reads too >_> ) Also, does that negate (lol almost typed degate, wtf does that even mean) my observation? If so, how?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This isn't a Mafia issue anymore. Talk about it with my replacement. Thanks marshy.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm sure you could answer before Orbo gets in. But I don't know why you even commented after my observation instead of just waiting for end-game.

But ok. Hope you take care of those issues man.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

all nerves

Ran, stop hopping literally every waggon you see go by already. Tell me what you think of Rockin, yesterDay and toDay.

 

[Death Bear]

good lord but it sucks to be right.

 

[ranmaru]

No. I told you I respect your decision to withhold your vote, but you should respect my decision to use my vote however I see fit to. I already had a dislike for Soup, and I felt an added vote of pressure was good there. (There was only two) My vote was being useless as PJB wasn't in thread for his pressure, and my questions to him (and my feelings towards him) still stand.

Rockin was fine, and is still fine to me. I don't get any scummy vibes from him. I've noticed you having problems with how he gives reads, such as "Eh, he's townie, but I'll prolly lynch 'em", but this is to be expected of him. I don't find anything wrong with it, I just disagree with it. His lurking was annoying to me, but that's about it. I think I have given an explanation (with some meta from Celeb Rehab Mafia) a while back.

I will tell you, that I'm having conflicted feelings about Death Bear. I find his lack of observation of Soup concerning. (He said he still had to ISO Soup, but never really had a concise thought after this push) Circus is not even here, but I wouldn't consider him unless we were going for a last minute lynch, or inactive lynch.

I like you and Kat the most.

I'm wondering why you asked me to stop doing that though. Are you asking me that only because you find that annoying? Or because you felt I was being too hard on Soup? If you have any questions, ask away.

 

[Death Bear]

and woah soup likes the Rake side of any hydra ?
Hardly anyone likes me lol.

My feels.

Hope you can catch your breath soup.

 

[Death Bear]

If it makes you feel better Ran, I'm almost done with Soup. But seriously, right now , not reading that as a scum replace.

 

[Death Bear]

Why is my lack of observation concerning Ran ? What does it tell you ?

Am i lazy scum ? Am I trying to avoid him ?

 

[ranmaru]

Ah ok. I'd also like you to touch on my observation pertaining to him backing out of the PJB push.

Really? You should elaborate on why you are not reading it that way.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, I thought you were trying to avoid him. Rather, I felt you didn't really have a good reason to give on Soup either way. (If you had to fake it) So I thought it may be possible you were using the ISO excuse to avoid really having a reason at the time of the push. Now if you are really ISO'ing him and it's pretty long, I could see some merit.

But, before you are done ISO'ing him, I want you to give me a concise reason for your soup read.

 

[Death Bear]

i think it'd be better for me to finish to be honest. Anything i say at this point is just going to be a cut and dry repeat of what i've already touched on. Most of it comes down to me not seeing soup's scum intent when i caught up with the thread. I felt like him actually backing down from his #hbc thing after an admitted mistake was townier sided than not; because it opened him to being called on it. I've liked how he has been going through his reads, being scum with him in Toonami i got to see how soup approached the game somewhat and I don't feel like he's the same here. In my eyes he's been looking for the right lynch; Not just any lynch.I think the voting thing you pointed out isn't very telling tbh, I know as town i've held off myself because it just feels to easy, or i can't make the connections click for me, so i go pursue other things.

Maybe i'm makign excuses for his play, but i don't think so.

TBh i've felt more on the same page with soup than I have with you.

That's kinda as concise as I can be.

 

[Death Bear]

i don't read it that way because TBH right this minute i feel the same way about soup as I did in ME mafia.

 

[Death Bear]

If you disagree, you'll need to explain why soup as scum would rage quit beyond the hope that his replacement could pick up the slack

 

[Death Bear]

Especially given the current thread state.

I'm done for now, me and Ryu need to talk and I need to relax.

 

[ranmaru]

Go into detail with reference to ME mafia. It's been a while.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok, I'll go over it later. I got homework.

 

[ranmaru]

Actually, before I answer your question, you should touch on my #1039 first. (When you can)

 

[Death Bear]

Balrgh.

In ME mafia I had (self-admittedly) a lot of trouble reading Soup, mainly because he caught so much thread flak. i ended up town reading him because the scum intent just wasn't there from my pov, and people kept on hammering Soup repeatedly over cut and dry , copy paste logic that he had responded too 1,000,000 times, in which i never got the feeling his responses were fake.

i haven't felt like Soup has faked his responses during my ISo read on him, in addition to what I've been saying during this time.

I think the fact thatI'm having to once again go through an uphill battle with myself on keeping read on soup solid, much like back in ME makes the read more legitimate in my eyes.

Gosh darn it Ran, making me do work.
I do have a life.
Somewhere. Out There.

 

[Death Bear]

Your 1039:

You'll have to explain why what you bolded is back tracking.

Right now i look at it and see a frustrated Soupbeing upset that his leg-work is being discarded due circumstance.

Do you think Soup as scum would risk back-tracking given that ?

 

[ranmaru]

I don't see that. If that was happening, he'd be saying "Oh no, my precious art work! Shambled to pieces!! ;-;" but instead I see "Oh wait yeah that was the crappiest case I have ever made guys, I don't even know what I was doing with my PJB push, forget about it, I used cheap fabric anyways"

Seems like a backtrack to me. I mean if he's feeling down or just really really frustrated, I don't see the reason/purpose for mentioning how his push on PJB was crap. It seems like wifom, and I didn't like it. And I do think Soup would do that as scum. Him mentioning his push on PJB either implicates PJB as a possible partner, or as town who he is trying to implicate as a partner. I'll have to think twice about it.

 

[ranmaru]

Clarification: That's if Soup flipped scum. If he was town then I dunno why the fuqq he would say that.

 

[ranmaru]

Now you ask why I would think soup as scum would replace out. Well, seeing as how I don't think he was really that emotionally unstable (and consider how he wasn't willing to at least answer that before leaving, something important I would feel since that was what caused him to replace out), I would think he would do that because he was seeing a growing push towards him and maybe he saw an opportunity to drop the push he initiated. This is borderline not cool, and I'm going to take the replace out as null and assume Soup may have had some issues IRL, but I wouldn't be surprised SoupScum also using that as an opportunity to drop some scumWifom before leaving.

 

[Death Bear]

Gonna leave responding till tomorrow.

Falling asleep

Peace

 

[ranmaru]

I'm also getting sleepy but I have homework to do. .-. It's like... "Why body, why? This was the time I set for me to do homework... ;-; "

body: "I dgaf"

me: ; ________________________ ;

 

[#HBC | Kary]

change of pace

I still want Nabe to claim ASAP. Don't understand the value in him avoiding a nk, don't like him being a question mark.

I want all the prods sent to Circus. Where the **** is that guy and what are his reads?

And as it happens, I have a question for PJB toDay: Given your read on Hilt, how did you find yourself on his waggon?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

orbo replaces soup. jerkus has been prodded

 

[Death Bear]

Orbo.

Give me your reads.

 

[Death Bear]

~ Ruy

Nabe is not claiming

1. He is not living til end game as either alignment.
2. I am under the assumption he is not a VT and doing that ballzy gambit.
3. Only situation this is bad for us if he does not claim is if he is a VT.
4. We can solve the CC issue tomorrow very easily if we only lose VTs.

 

[ranmaru]

While I get to PJB, what I want to know is:

Why are you pursuing PJB over Nabe now, from your own words?
How does Rake agree with this? (He can say this)
How will PJB flipping town/scum affect your read on Nabe?
What does Rake think of you not agreeing with Souptown?

Quoting for you, Ruy.

Also wondering how your read on Soup has progressed.

 

[Death Bear]

While I get to PJB, what I want to know is:

Why are you pursuing PJB over Nabe now, from your own words?
How does Rake agree with this? (He can say this)
How will PJB flipping town/scum affect your read on Nabe?
What does Rake think of you not agreeing with Souptown?

Ruy will answer this.

The more Nabe posted I lost interest in his wagon, PJB remained unhelpful and I didn't like the backseat approach he was taking. It looks like Riddle from Bust a move mafia, or Hando from Rockin's kingmaker set-up.

Rake answered this so

Scum, better for Nabe. Even more so how PJB voting would indicate that they are probs not aligned. It's not a bus, also I don't think Bardull was busing Nabe either.

hmmm, you know. We haven't gone in depth about this, I've been busy/rereading, I'll get back to this asap.

 

[Death Bear]

So while I'm rereading, quick question for everyone.

Scum did shoot Swords, but was Kuz hiding behind him or did he possibly target scum? I'm checking for the his reads right now.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

~ Ruy

Nabe is not claiming

1. He is not living til end game as either alignment.
2. I am under the assumption he is not a VT and doing that ballzy gambit.
3. Only situation this is bad for us if he does not claim is if he is a VT.
4. We can solve the CC issue tomorrow very easily if we only lose VTs.

I'm just banging my head against a brick wall, aren't I?

If toDay goes **** up, tomorrow could by Mylo.

I don't then understand how we would easily solve any CCs that arise.

Nabe has already lied about his claim in order to keep himself alive :/

Just let him claim and eat a goddamn bullet.

 

[ranmaru]

So both you (Ruy) and Rake are doing ISO's on Soup?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So while I'm rereading, quick question for everyone.

Scum did shoot Swords, but was Kuz hiding behind him or did he possibly target scum? I'm checking for the his reads right now.

i cannot see any situation in which it makes the slightest bit of difference, or why we should care.

yes apparently i have given up on flavour all round

 

[ranmaru]

Kuz Read Post

This was an early read post. Afterwards, he posted more stuff around the time I was catching up, but didn't really post after that. It didn't seem his reads changed, but he had both Bardull and Swords as town. So I don't think it would be easy to tell who he might have hid behind. He might have just changed his mind at night with a re-read or something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm just banging my head against a brick wall, aren't I?

If toDay goes **** up, tomorrow could by Mylo.

I don't then understand how we would easily solve any CCs that arise.

Nabe has already lied about his claim in order to keep himself alive :/

Just let him claim and eat a goddamn bullet.

He claims vig, vig CC shows up.

We tell them to shoot each other.

Nabe claims one of the gun cops, CC shows up. Vig does not claim, we lynch one of the two. If we lynched town vig shoots the other.

I'm assuming he is not a VT.

Basically tomarrow, we force Nabe to claim first, before anyone else.Then we go from there, mylo does not ruin this plan nor what he does.

If he is scum, then we need to keep him posting.

So both you (Ruy) and Rake are doing ISO's on Soup?

Ehh, sort of.

More so how we are reading him differently.

 

[Death Bear]

He claims vig, vig CC shows up.

We tell them to shoot each other.

Nabe claims one of the gun cops, CC shows up. Vig does not claim, we lynch one of the two. If we lynched town vig shoots the other.

I'm assuming he is not a VT.

Basically tomarrow, we force Nabe to claim first, before anyone else.Then we go from there, mylo does not ruin this plan nor what he does.

If he is scum, then we need to keep him posting.



Ehh, sort of.

More so how we are reading him differently.

He claims vig, vig CC shows up.

We tell them to shoot each other.

Nabe claims one of the gun cops, CC shows up. Vig does not claim, we lynch one of the two. If we lynched town vig shoots the other.

I'm assuming he is not a VT.

Basically tomarrow, we force Nabe to claim first, before anyone else.Then we go from there, mylo does not ruin this plan nor what he does.

If he is scum, then we need to keep him posting.



Ehh, sort of.

More so how we are reading him differently.

~

Ruy account derped.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

we can solve those CCs now; tomorrow we might not have a vig to solve them.