Elma for Smash Ultimate: Strength comes from experience. That’s true on any planet.

[Calamitas]

Thoughts on this?:



This may not be the final banner (pre-DLC) after all if true?

UPDATE!!:

Unless Elma still makes it in somehow, I'm still disappointed. Out of the remaining characters, the only I actually like and want is Isaac, while Shadow is still kinda cool. All others I'm indifferent to, and Geno and Banjo I'd more likely than not be outright resentful towards for at least one year after release, because of how everybody just can't seem to shut up about them (though Geno moreso than Banjo).
. . .Sorry. Call me petty, but after how much I disliked XBC2, I really just need some sort of vindication for X in general.

 

[Deleted member]

My dear Elma and Crash supporters:

Let's join forces to get both of our goals in the form of DLC.

 

[Luviant X]

Have I missed something and this leak has been confirmed real? Lots of people seem to be acting like it has been. lol

 

[Bobthealligator]

Blurry and out of focus so we can't see the editing mistakes, as usual. At least with the Ken leak the image was in good quality, so we could see the lack of editing mistakes. I'm choosing not to believe this one. And yes, I know of

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I'd like to remind everyone that reveals are slowing down, and why would they do that if they still had 5 new newcomers?

I know you know this, but to those who don't, this is a textbook example of circumstantial evidence. (The picture not Sakurai's comments)

 

[KatKit]

The blurry roster photo leak is fishier than Zora's Domain lol. I'm going to remain skeptical at best.

 

[Coofle DeDoofle]

I'll be honest: Even though I REALLY want Elma, I won't be mad if this leak is true. For one thing, there's always DLC. Second, I simply can't be disappointed with everything else we're getting.

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Also, I never would've expected that mech gun to be for Mach Rider. Way to throw me a curve ball there, Sakurai.

 

[Nightguything]

If this leak is true I don’t see how anybody could be mad at it tbh. I still think Elma has a shot regardless, DLC is still a thing.

 

[aarchak]

I'm actually not that mad about what the leak means if true, but I still don't believe it because there is just no hard evidence; the image itself is blurry, the shadows don't line up, Shadow looks like he doesn't fit the style, anyone can make a fake leak, especially someone with the actual graphics, and why would they slow down reveals with 5 characters left?

EDIT: I'm also going to need to know why the pic was taken in order to believe in it. It's so I can know why the image is so blurry.

 

[Luviant X]

I think most everyone would be happy about this leak, which makes it more likely the guy who made this is scrolling through forums right now, laughing his head off and enjoying the attention.

Who knows. It could be real. But for now, it's fake until proven otherwise.

 

[Izayoi]

My biggest gripe is how tiny Isaac looks even compared to Little Mac and Isabelle next to him. He's at the front so it's not really perspective at work here.

I'll take this leak with a grain of salt.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Ok, seriously. People who belive in this leak, please explain to me why would Snake's and Olimar's shadow being broken by someone whose job is just to print the artwork, because it is impossible that this leaker is the artist behind it because there is no way they would give this extremely dangerous job to an extern company not even based in Japan.

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And if it is a real leak Nintendo would have taken down all the videos with it, just like how they did with the ESRB one. The fact that even big names like GameXPlain still have their video where they show the leak(and not just link it in the description) is still up kinda proves that it is fake.

 

[Izayoi]

Well, it's not too far off to believe that promotional material IS getting printed now because we're very very near release date and being the holiday season, it's very much time to prepare shipments for on floor promotional materials.

However, it's also very plausible that this specific set is fake and/or a prototype because the video in question hasn't really been given an actual, solid date of when it was recorded. I don't want to push out as much skepticism since there is still a chance of this being just as real as the ESRB leak during Smash 4.... However! I sincerely believe that it's still healthy to be cautious about it. Even if it is seemingly convincing.

...Let me tell ya, what we need is a dam Smash direct.

 

[Calamitas]

...Let me tell ya, what we need is a dam Smash direct.

You can say that again. The last major news were back in August, and we've only had one character reveal and nothing else in mid-September. And now October is almost over, and a Direct this month seems increasingly unlikely.

 

[PSIGuy]

To be honest I think the evidence for is more convincing than the evidence against, which means pouring one out for Elma. The planning date for Smash Bros compared to XCX's western release date (where the series has always sold more) was a double-edged sword and considering the emphasis on the ballot it's not surprising she didn't make it this time. Still, even if she's not in the final release or even DLC that won't stop me from wanting her in, thinking she's a good choice and looking forward to more XCX.

 

[Red Dead Redeemed]

Hey guys. Just wanted to pop in and say that if she's not in base, don't worry your heads off just yet. I'm still willing to bet that Elma will come in a dual pack with Rex and Pyrra. This of course is assuming that the leak is real, which is still up in the air. PushDustin puts it best. It certainly has a lot of points towards being legit but there's no solid bit of evidence that can confirm it wasn't made by somebody with good art and editing skills and a lot of time on their hands. Don't give up just yet!

 

[Izayoi]

...So what do we do about the criminally absent XBX and XB2 music?

Well... If Elma's not in base roster you bet your butts she'll be early DLC. (My wallet isn't ready for that)

 

[Nightguything]

This. Still strange but to my knowledge not one xenoblade track has been featured on the blog yet. I’m hoping that if not one new Xeno rep is present in base then that just means we’ll get both Elma and Rex via dlc, I’d gladly open my wallet for it.

 

[IronWarrior94]

My dissapointment in Elma possibly not being on the roster has been tempered, especially due to reminding myself I was a Ridley supporter lol. But I'm still gonna be upset, because having Elma wouldn't so much as be another "cool character a lot of people asked for" situation, but more of a vindication.

It's no secret that Xenoblade Chronicles X is the most hated of the current 3 Xeno games with a good portion of the fanbase. To this day there is still vitriol and contempt spurned torwards the spin-off, with some even having expressed smug happiness over the current news with Monolith admitting that an X port would be too "difficult" to make atm.

In spite of Elma's recent appearance in XC2 AND the fact that the sequel is still on the table(it might even be the next Xenoblade title), it hasn't changed the outlook on X being the redheaded, unwanted step child compared to its younger and older sibling games. Having Elma in Smash would have served as a great vindication for X fans, further proving to those who hated the game and think it should be forgotten as a stain upon the stellar record of the Xenoblade franchise, that Monolith doesn't think so. This, along with the X port, would've been great stepping stones torwards the sequel, but alas, we can only put up with more smug X hate until then. Heck, I bet some of them will feel vindicated over no Elma in Smash, and nothing against them, but it doesn't help that Rex/Pyra are considered a lock with DLC.

So yeah, what sucks about Elma not being in the game is mostly because it denies us our vindication./EndRant.

 

[Calamitas]

My dissapointment in Elma possibly not being on the roster has been tempered, especially due to reminding myself I was a Ridley supporter lol. But I'm still gonna be upset, because having Elma wouldn't so much as be another "cool character a lot of people asked for" situation, but more of a vindication.

It's no secret that Xenoblade Chronicles X is the most hated of the current 3 Xeno games with a good portion of the fanbase. To this day there is still vitriol and contempt spurned torwards the spin-off, with some even having expressed smug happiness over the current news with Monolith admitting that an X port would be too "difficult" to make atm.

In spite of Elma's recent appearance in XC2 AND the fact that the sequel is still on the table(it might even be the next Xenoblade title), it hasn't changed the outlook on X being the redheaded, unwanted step child compared to its younger and older sibling games. Having Elma in Smash would have served as a great vindication for X fans, further proving to those who hated the game and think it should be forgotten as a stain upon the stellar record of the Xenoblade franchise, that Monolith doesn't think so. This, along with the X port, would've been great stepping stones torwards the sequel, but alas, we can only put up with more smug X hate until then. Heck, I bet some of them will feel vindicated over no Elma in Smash, and nothing against them, but it doesn't help that Rex/Pyra are considered a lock with DLC.

So yeah, what sucks about Elma not being in the game is mostly because it denies us our vindication./EndRant.

That's essentially it for me. What also doesn't really help is that my own reaction to 2 is basically what you described as the general description to X.

But regardless: I'll still remain sceptical, especially since this Spawn Wave guy, who does apparently have a good track record on insider information, seems to think this leak is fake.

And hey, if Elma still makes it in, she's essentially gonna be the leak breaker, not just for this, but possibly also for Vergeben. The thought of the hypothetical memes this would bring honestly brings a smile to my face. . .

 

[IronWarrior94]

But regardless: I'll still remain sceptical, especially since this Spawn Wave guy, who does apparently have a good track record on insider information, seems to think this leak is fake.

Well even better: I heard he and other supposed insiders feel that the leak is incomplete. Remain sceptical of course, but Imagine if we got even more characters in addition to what this leak says? There might still be a chance for Elma.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Well even better: I heard he and other supposed insiders feel that the leak is incomplete. Remain sceptical of course, but Imagine if we got even more characters in addition to what this leak says? There might still be a chance for Elma.

He said Incineroar and at least one more that wasn’t anyone else already seen on the banner. Could be Elma, could be Waddle Dee, could be (insert other character here)

 

[Luviant X]

He said Incineroar and at least one more that wasn’t anyone else already seen on the banner. Could be Elma, could be Waddle Dee, could be (insert other character here)

Spawn Wave was speculating, because he later said the leak appears to be fake.

https://twitter.com/SpawnWaveMedia/status/1055205299454468109?s=20

 

[MrRoidley]

To be fair he never said that steve was playable, but that Minecraft would have some sort of representation in the game.

Oh wait I swore he validated one of the guys that rumored Steve

 

[Luviant X]

Oh wait I swore he validated one of the guys that rumored Steve

Nope. He has said he has heard other leakers say Steve could be a character, but Verge himself has only heard from his own sources that there will be Minecraft representation of some kind. Whether that's a character, stage, item, etc. he doesn't know.

 

[DNeon]

I'm disappointed, I really don think Elma stands a chance in DLC, her own series has a new bandwagon and there's still tonnes of popular picks out there that have been galvanised by the 'all your favourites, not matter their current state' that this game seems to go by. On top of that the Xenoblade series is moving on without signs of returning to the X line for a very long while. At least not having a port of X slated on the horizon means that when it comes it'll fill that gap more appropriately than if it were out now and there were still a massively wait til the next game. It's an....odd silver lining...

 

[Nonno Umby]

Don't worry guys, as time passes the leak becames clearly fake.
Someone managed to get the picture of the fighterless artwork shown at E3, and it has some inconsistencies with the leaked one:

Elma isn't out just yet.

 

[Calamitas]

Don't worry guys, as time passes the leak becames clearly fake.
Someone managed to get the picture of the fighterless artwork shown at E3, and it has some inconsistencies with the leaked one:
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Elma isn't out just yet.

We can only hope. But what I also feel is becoming an increasing strike against this leak is that Nintendo has yet to react to it in any way. If I remember correctly, they got the ESRB leak in 2014 pretty damn quickly.

 

[Mistaros]

Are we sure that the background didn't change when simon and coe was added ?

But it feels good to finally see the smash community moving again, debatting about something searching evidence to prove or dismiss this leak.
If it's real, congrats to isaac fan's, ken's fan etc, and I will still be rooting for elma as a DLC. And sorry for your job mister leaker.
If it's fake, this is one if not the most, well rounded leak ever in smash history, using a company which has relation with namco is really clever.

And once again you really are our lord and savior Nonno Umby \0/

 

[DNeon]

Don't worry guys, as time passes the leak becames clearly fake.
Someone managed to get the picture of the fighterless artwork shown at E3, and it has some inconsistencies with the leaked one:
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Elma isn't out just yet.

With all the random as hell, specific evidence about who, where and how it came to be, people are really gonna say that some rocks and clouds changing from 6 months ago is the killer detail?

If somebody faked this then they've put more effort and risk into doing it than is possibly worth while. The only precedent for an 'evidence' based leak that had so much effort put into it to convince people is Omni's Rayman leak, which he was using as a launch for a YT channel. The effort/risk vs reward ratio is just way too off for me to look at some clouds and rocks being different between pictures and rule it out.

 

[Nonno Umby]

With all the random as hell, specific evidence about who, where and how it came to be, people are really gonna say that some rocks and clouds changing from 6 months ago is the killer detail?

If somebody faked this then they've put more effort and risk into doing it than is possibly worth while. The only precedent for an 'evidence' based leak that had so much effort put into it to convince people is Omni's Rayman leak, which he was using as a launch for a YT channel. The effort/risk vs reward ratio is just way too off for me to look at some clouds and rocks being different between pictures and rule it out.

This is a hand drawn artwork. Changing the background would require a lot of work for basically no reason. Same for Snake's and Olimar's shadows. And that Palutena 3DS leak proves that people are willing to do great things just to f*ck with the Smash fanbase.
Heck people even 3D printed a fake Switch just to troll people, and they even photoshopped on it the tree that is outside Nintendo's HQ, and that without even launching anything like Omni did.

 

[ZealousGamer]

Don't forget about the fake Rayman leak from Smash 4.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Are we sure that the background didn't change when simon and coe was added ?

But it feels good to finally see the smash community moving again, debatting about something searching evidence to prove or dismiss this leak.
If it's real, congrats to isaac fan's, ken's fan etc, and I will still be rooting for elma as a DLC. And sorry for your job mister leaker.
If it's fake, this is one if not the most, well rounded leak ever in smash history, using a company which has relation with namco is really clever.

And once again you really are our lord and savior Nonno Umby \0/

I will do in the afternoon a closer look the the artwork and its background since I have some spare time today, but for what I could see right now I can already say that Snake's and Olimar's shadows have been consistent for all the 4 official version of the artwork so far, so that's already a red flag.

 

[DNeon]

Don't forget about the fake Rayman leak from Smash 4.

I literally mentioned that he only did that to launch a Smash related YT channel.

Furthermore

This is a hand drawn artwork. Changing the background would require a lot of work for basically no reason. Same for Snake's and Olimar's shadows. And that Palutena 3DS leak proves that people are willing to do great things just to f*ck with the Smash fanbase.
Heck people even 3D printed a fake Switch just to troll people, and they even photoshopped on it the tree that is outside Nintendo's HQ, and that without even launching anything like Omni did.

3D printing and a single photoshop is still low fare compared to this. Forgive me though, I'm unaware of the Palutena leak.

But that still isn't addressing the risk in attaching a real name and company to the leak. There's legal implications there.

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his is a hand drawn artwork. Changing the background would require a lot of work for basically no reason.

Reasons can be as simple as 'don't clutter the silhouettes of the characters we're moving' or 'under different lighting conditions this isn't as clear as when we were using (X medium)'. It's also;
a) not a lot of work, or do you really think the leaker put that much extra effort into this, something 'hand drawn' can still be digitally editted to include a 'hand drawn' alternative
b) the job of a team of people to do this.

 

[Nonno Umby]

I literally mentioned that he only did that to launch a Smash related YT channel.

Furthermore



3D printing and a single photoshop is still low fare compared to this. Forgive me though, I'm unaware of the Palutena leak.

But that still isn't addressing the risk in attaching a real name and company to the leak. There's legal implications there.

EDIT:

Reasons can be as simple as 'don't clutter the silhouettes of the characters we're moving' or 'under different lighting conditions this isn't as clear as when we were using (X medium)'. It's also;
a) not a lot of work, or do you really think the leaker put that much extra effort into this, something 'hand drawn' can still be digitally editted to include a 'hand drawn' alternative
b) the job of a team of people to do this.

Probably whoever did this is someone who doesn't realise the legal issue this comports, and for this same reason took a French person because "who cares/who would check on him?! lol".

And let's be honest: if this leak was just posted by an anon on 4chan like how they did with the ESRB leak nobody would have baited an eye, creating a big fuss around it was the (fake) leaker's intention in order to spread it, while a real leaker wouldn't need to do it because it would spread by itself, or just get recognition after the official reveal.

 

[Luviant X]

But it feels good to finally see the smash community moving again, debatting about something searching evidence to prove or dismiss this leak.
If it's real, congrats to isaac fan's, ken's fan etc, and I will still be rooting for elma as a DLC. And sorry for your job mister leaker.
If it's fake, this is one if not the most, well rounded leak ever in smash history, using a company which has relation with namco is really clever.

And once again you really are our lord and savior Nonno Umby \0/

I like the Smash community is alive again, but I don't take kindly to fake leaks (if this leak is indeed fake).

Even with the Artsy Omni Rayman Leak. The man is talented and I love what he has done with his YT channel, and I'm a fan, but I don't like he was rewarded for lying and deceiving the Smash community.

With these fake leaks, people are playing games with us for their own fun or personal gain. Might just be me, but I'd rather not have my emotions toyed with for someone else's enjoyment. Lol

 

[Nonno Umby]

So I just looked into the various versions of the artwork and I got to say the background is the only thing that never changes between version. Characters get changed in size and position a lot of times, but the background is always the same.
And that doesn't came as a surprise since the kind of changes that have happened on the leak version make no sense because:
1) They look worse than the original.
2) Why changing such minor details in places which are going to be covered by characters? The "they don't want to have a messy pic" argument makes no sense because of this fact, and so far they have always kept it the same. I doubt that adding 7 characters when 70 are already present would really need a change in background in order to avoid confusion.

Also for the way this artwork is made is that there is a clean background and then characters are individually added, since they are individual layer, so that they can be moved and resized easely. It's similar to stickers on a page. But the background always remains the same.

Also ArtsyOmni himself kinda of dealed with the whole background issue and why it hurtes this leak credibility quite a lot:

 

[DNeon]

I got to say the background is the only thing that never changes between version.

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/436387397

 

[aarchak]

Yeah, with all this evidence against this leak, I think Elma still has a chance. DON'T GIVE UP HOPE

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/436387397

Yeah, that isn't the case in those pics. It's just very low quality, so the tower is obscured. Besides, WHY would they change that small detail?

 

[Blastaw]

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...spoilers-leaks.434391/page-6119#post-22590713
https://www.facebook.com/147749832060539/posts/1070378256464354/
Don't give you the leak is fully disbunk
Btw, I support Elma too
Edit: it seems that this post has been written by his former company. but there is no direct link between nintendo/bandai and the new one

 

[Calamitas]

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...spoilers-leaks.434391/page-6119#post-22590713
https://www.facebook.com/147749832060539/posts/1070378256464354/
Don't give you the leak is fully disbunk
Btw, I support Elma too
Edit: it seems that this post has been written by his former company. but there is no direct link between nintendo/bandai and the new one

Well, that's reassuring. Apparently still nothing definite, but reassuring.

I swear, it's really about time that we get just some form of Smash news blow-out. . .

But more importantly, welcome!