Elma for Smash Ultimate: Strength comes from experience. That’s true on any planet.

[Izayoi]

I have a huge feeling Joker (Or any Persona rep at the time) was considered extremely early; as soon as Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem even had its conceptualization.
Joker caught people by surprise because everyone else was so focused on their own picks, and Persona as a series itself has not really touched the Nintendo family of consoles much (nor was it a series that was recognized as such.) But SEGA owns Atlus, and SEGA has amazing relations with Nintendo itself. I think Joker was actually a really logical pick.

I personally feel like Elma still has a chance even if she has a Spirit in the game. There's more going for her than against so far. But I'd only be echoing what many people have said regarding their positive opinions of her inclusion, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a huge feeling Joker (Or any Persona rep at the time) was considered extremely early; as soon as Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem even had its conceptualization.
Joker caught people by surprise because everyone else was so focused on their own picks, and Persona as a series itself has not really touched the Nintendo family of consoles much (nor was it a series that was recognized as such.) But SEGA owns Atlus, and SEGA has amazing relations with Nintendo itself. I think Joker was actually a really logical pick.

I personally feel like Elma still has a chance even if she has a Spirit in the game. There's more going for her than against so far. But I'd only be echoing what many people have said regarding their positive opinions of her inclusion, lol.

no but listen, joker was unexpected for me and me specifically, which means my obscure third party that is much smaller then persona is basically a lock

 

[shocktarts17]

I have a huge feeling Joker (Or any Persona rep at the time) was considered extremely early; as soon as Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem even had its conceptualization.
Joker caught people by surprise because everyone else was so focused on their own picks, and Persona as a series itself has not really touched the Nintendo family of consoles much (nor was it a series that was recognized as such.) But SEGA owns Atlus, and SEGA has amazing relations with Nintendo itself. I think Joker was actually a really logical pick.

I personally feel like Elma still has a chance even if she has a Spirit in the game. There's more going for her than against so far. But I'd only be echoing what many people have said regarding their positive opinions of her inclusion, lol.

I think the big reason he caught everyone off guard is everyone (myself included) assumed that Nintendo would view the SMT and Persona series as "separate" and if Atlus got a rep it would be from SMT. That said SMT is kinda niche so it wasn't really strongly considered either.

I was very shocked to say the least.

 

[Calamitas]

I personally feel like Elma still has a chance even if she has a Spirit in the game. There's more going for her than against so far. But I'd only be echoing what many people have said regarding their positive opinions of her inclusion, lol.

Honestly? Yeah. The X content that actually is in Ultimate still feels like a very last-minute addition, there's not a single music track, and of course X is not even in that internal game listing. And that is on top of all the points in Elma's favour that we've had pre-release, such as that (relatively) big marketing push she got for her appearance in 2.

And unrelated, but this thread just passed its 5000th post!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Let’s not forget the voice acting role Caitlin Glass got that apparently absolutely requires an NDA...

 

[HPMarratick]

I just thought, what if they changed Elma's spirit fight from bayonetta to Elma if she comes out? The fight would be based off of her fight in XC2 which technically makes her an XC2 spirit since she uses 90% melee and her gun arts are saved for her specials.

 

[Deleted member]

Let’s not forget the voice acting role Caitlin Glass got that apparently absolutely requires an NDA...

I pray, but isn't Caitlin pretty damn profilic? She could've been recruited for a new unrevealed secret project couldn't she?

 

[Nonno Umby]

I pray, but isn't Caitlin pretty damn profilic? She could've been recruited for a new unrevealed secret project couldn't she?

Yeah, and cosidering that they just started working on the DLC now I don't think they are already recording lines for them...

 

[shocktarts17]

Yeah, and cosidering that they just started working on the DLC now I don't think they are already recording lines for them...

You think? I would guess line recording would happen fairly early as you would want to make sure you model the mouth right to what they say. If PP was almost done with design then I would guess the design team could be working on the next one while the balance team works. In theory the third DLC character could be in the early stages of development by now.

Or in this case since they aren't auditioning new people just getting the people who already did the voice in the past it may be a scheduling thing where they just grab them when its most convenient for them.

 

[HPMarratick]

So I decided to look up some misc info on different franchises and their inclusion in smash bros. There 3 games that dont have music in smash bros that came out between 2015 to 2018 excluding XCX, I'm probably missing a few. They are tokyo mirage session, codename S.T.E.A.M., and ARMS. The first 2 are smaller and didn't obtain that much hype. ARMS on the other hand does have costumes and assist trophies. It's interesting to see ARMS get no music. However, its representation in Smash is bigger than XCX.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

So I decided to look up some misc info on different franchises and their inclusion in smash bros. There 3 games that dont have music in smash bros that came out between 2015 to 2018 excluding XCX, I'm probably missing a few. They are tokyo mirage session, codename S.T.E.A.M., and ARMS. The first 2 are smaller and didn't obtain that much hype. ARMS on the other hand does have costumes and assist trophies. It's interesting to see ARMS get no music. However, its representation in Smash is bigger than XCX.

Codename steam does have music in the game such as the fire emblem remixes and I believe there is a regular track called trouble brewing 2

 

[PSIGuy]

Codename Steam has a remix, yeah.

 

[Deleted member]

how in the **** does codename steam have a remix and they couldn't even add a regular XCX song not even remixed this is bull****

 

[HPMarratick]

how in the **** does codename steam have a remix and they couldn't even add a regular XCX song not even remixed this is bull****

My jaw hit the floor when I heard that. ARMS I would accept, but no XCX music vs a remix from a game like Codename STEAM is kind of hurtful. Hopefully something gets thrown our way. My heart cant take much more.

 

[PSIGuy]

There's no point getting mad at remixes when it's the composers who decide what they want to remix. Someone wanted to do a Codename Steam track so they did; someone wanted to do 5 or 6 Fire Emblem songs so they did. No-one on the music team had any interest in covering a Sawano track or any other Xenoblade music, that's all there is to it.

The lack of unremixed music is different and could be a result of any number of things but I agree it's upsetting not even getting the three battle tracks treatment XB2 got.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Whoo! The new Super Smash Bros game is a blast to play, and World of Light and the spirit content is also pretty fun, even more than I would have enitially thought. We know that with Joker from Persona 5 and Piranha Plant coming to Smash as DLC characters that there are currently 4 characters left still in developement and suspense.

Elma is one of those characters that I believe inn. Sakurai has already said that Rex was too late to include, but does that mean there will be no chance for any other Xenoblade character? Not really. It's all up to Nintendo at this point, and Elma has been in two different Xenoblade games, and remains quite popular.

While I've never played Xenoblade, or have any personal attatchment to Elma or the series (obviously), I still think that Elma as a concept design, and possibility of Smash is quite good, and makes me in favor of wanting this character. Therefore, I would like to keep on supporting the character during the speculation period.

 

[Deleted member]

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Whoo! The new Super Smash Bros game is a blast to play, and World of Light and the spirit content is also pretty fun, even more than I would have enitially thought. We know that with Joker from Persona 5 and Piranha Plant coming to Smash as DLC characters that there are currently 4 characters left still in developement and suspense.

Elma is one of those characters that I believe inn. Sakurai has already said that Rex was too late to include, but does that mean there will be no chance for any other Xenoblade character? Not really. It's all up to Nintendo at this point, and Elma has been in two different Xenoblade games, and remains quite popular.

While I've never played Xenoblade, or have any personal attatchment to Elma or the series (obviously), I still think that Elma as a concept design, and possibility of Smash is quite good, and makes me in favor of wanting this character. Therefore, I would like to keep on supporting the character during the speculation period.

welcome to ELMA GANG

 

[zipzo]

Just adding my immense support for the queen...Elma is getting in!! I know she is!!

 

[Nonno Umby]

Just adding my immense support for the queen...Elma is getting in!! I know she is!!

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Whoo! The new Super Smash Bros game is a blast to play, and World of Light and the spirit content is also pretty fun, even more than I would have enitially thought. We know that with Joker from Persona 5 and Piranha Plant coming to Smash as DLC characters that there are currently 4 characters left still in developement and suspense.

Elma is one of those characters that I believe inn. Sakurai has already said that Rex was too late to include, but does that mean there will be no chance for any other Xenoblade character? Not really. It's all up to Nintendo at this point, and Elma has been in two different Xenoblade games, and remains quite popular.

While I've never played Xenoblade, or have any personal attatchment to Elma or the series (obviously), I still think that Elma as a concept design, and possibility of Smash is quite good, and makes me in favor of wanting this character. Therefore, I would like to keep on supporting the character during the speculation period.

It's great to see that Elma's supporters keep growing in size.
And TBH I too feel Elma is in. My current prediction for the remaining 4 characters are Elma, a new Kirby character (either Bandana Dee or Magolor), Erdrik/ a Dragon Quest character and Professor Layton.

 

[Phoebe3315]

I feel like I can't expect Elma because it's unfair to Sakurai if she isn't DLC and I get upset...
But I will say this. A few months ago, I asked a Kirby 8 Ball (toy that answers questions) if Elma would be in Smash and it answered "Yes". I immediately felt the need to test it so I also asked if Goku would be in Smash, and it said "No". One of my friends asked it 3 or 4 times in a row if Waluigi would be in Smash and it kept saying "Ask again later". And since Kirby is the savior of the universe....I sort of trust it.

I think that the possibility of spirits deconfirming characters is still there, though. I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic...

 

[Calamitas]

Hmm, things are going kinda slowly here recently. . . so, how about I try to liven things up a little with a new topic of discussion?
If weapon switching ends up being a part of Elma's moveset, how would you like it being implemented? Should it be a special move all of its own, should it be a special command like Inkling's ink recovery, automatic, or are there any other ideas you have? Personally, I'm leaning towards a special command in addition to certain special moves automatically switching.

 

[Flyboy]

I feel like I can't expect Elma because it's unfair to Sakurai if she isn't DLC and I get upset...
But I will say this. A few months ago, I asked a Kirby 8 Ball (toy that answers questions) if Elma would be in Smash and it answered "Yes". I immediately felt the need to test it so I also asked if Goku would be in Smash, and it said "No". One of my friends asked it 3 or 4 times in a row if Waluigi would be in Smash and it kept saying "Ask again later". And since Kirby is the savior of the universe....I sort of trust it.

I think that the possibility of spirits deconfirming characters is still there, though. I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic...

This post is adorable so I trust it and I trust Kirby.

 

[Jocario Zero]

I' ve been away for far too long from this thread (and Smashboards in general since a few things happenend after the November-direct...). Good to see the Support for Elma still going strong. I just unlocked her Spirit yesterday. (as well as Pyra, Mythra and Mecha-Fiora)

Joker in Smash surprises me and even though i never played a Persona Game i still think its pretty cool and i cant stop listening to the Last Surprise-Song. It's just sooo good. (I just wish that a part of the Smash-Fanbase would get rid of the "Joker is in so anyone can get in"-Mindset...).

I feel like I can't expect Elma because it's unfair to Sakurai if she isn't DLC and I get upset...
But I will say this. A few months ago, I asked a Kirby 8 Ball (toy that answers questions) if Elma would be in Smash and it answered "Yes". I immediately felt the need to test it so I also asked if Goku would be in Smash, and it said "No". One of my friends asked it 3 or 4 times in a row if Waluigi would be in Smash and it kept saying "Ask again later". And since Kirby is the savior of the universe....I sort of trust it.

I think that the possibility of spirits deconfirming characters is still there, though. I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic...

All hail Kirby. He would have aimed for the head

 

[Calamitas]

I just wish that a part of the Smash-Fanbase would get rid of the "Joker is in so anyone can get in"-Mindset...

Yeah, same here. Not gonna lie, if I have to hear people rattle off every noteworthy third-party character that comes to mind in their DLC predictions one more time I'm gonna lose it.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Yeah, same here. Not gonna lie, if I have to hear people rattle off every noteworthy third-party character that comes to mind in their DLC predictions one more time I'm gonna lose it.

Tell me about it. My pipe dream character is Monokuma from Danganronpa, and while I do think he has more of a chance now than he did pre-Joker, I'm not going to put all my eggs into one basket just yet... although you won't hear me complaining if he does get in.

 

[PSIGuy]

Even if Elma doesn't get in as DLC, it's good to see there's a sizable amount of support for her. I feel like that support makes a Xenoblade X port (or sequel) a safer proposition.

 

[Jocario Zero]

Yeah, same here. Not gonna lie, if I have to hear people rattle off every noteworthy third-party character that comes to mind in their DLC predictions one more time I'm gonna lose it.

I watched a video yesterday where someone suggested Kratos from God of War and Mickey Mouse...seriously some people need a reality check and need to realize how difficult licencing is. It's not like Sakurai or someone from Nintendo walks to a third party company and says "Lets add X to Smash" and the company is like "Yeah go for it. Here, take Y as a bonus and go nuts".

Not to mention that Sega owns Persona-Developer Atlus which probably made licencing/ communication a bit easier since Sega is already on board with Smash.

And no the argument "It's Smash. Everyone wants their character in Smash" is not a good argument for someones inclusion...

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Merry Christmas, guys.
Hope everyone's doing well.

Going into the new year with hopeful but checked expectations.

 

[Calamitas]

Oh, on the occasion of there being at least a bit of activity in this thread: I just came up with the perfect palette swap for Elma.

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Merry Christmas!
And there actually IS a bit of a palette change going on here, I gave her a different and more saturated shade of red to be precise

 

[RandomAce]

Oh, on the occasion of there being at least a bit of activity in this thread: I just came up with the perfect palette swap for Elma.

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Merry Christmas!
And there actually IS a bit of a palette change going on here, I gave her a different and more saturated shade of red to be precise

Needs more green.

 

[Yluma]

Needs more green.

No problem. Hope you like it.

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[shocktarts17]

No problem. Hope you like it.

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Dang that caught be off guard, great work.

 

[Calamitas]

No problem. Hope you like it.

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I have a feeling that that's kinda ogredoing it.

 

[Yluma]

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I have a feeling that that's kinda ogredoing it.

*wheezes, then starts clapping*

 

[RandomAce]

No problem. Hope you like it.

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Elma was the grinch the whole time.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Elma was the grinch the whole time.

How Elma Ruined Smash Leaks.

 

[Deleted member]

I still think it's funny how Elma and Rex went from a decently likely base game candidate and a shoo-in for DLC respectively to a likely DLC candidate and dead respectively in the span of one direct

 

[Calamitas]

I still think it's funny how Elma and Rex went from a decently likely base game candidate and a shoo-in for DLC respectively to a likely DLC candidate and dead respectively in the span of one direct

Really feel like you should clarify which one's which, considering how I've seen people act.

 

[Deleted member]

Really feel like you should clarify which one's which, considering how I've seen people act.

I said respectively after each one so hopefully people don't get confused.

But yeah, I really wanted Rex but he's dead in the water right now and anyone who doesn't think so aren't thibking rationally. He's dead, let him rest peacefully.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I feel like I can't expect Elma because it's unfair to Sakurai if she isn't DLC and I get upset...
But I will say this. A few months ago, I asked a Kirby 8 Ball (toy that answers questions) if Elma would be in Smash and it answered "Yes". I immediately felt the need to test it so I also asked if Goku would be in Smash, and it said "No". One of my friends asked it 3 or 4 times in a row if Waluigi would be in Smash and it kept saying "Ask again later". And since Kirby is the savior of the universe....I sort of trust it.

I think that the possibility of spirits deconfirming characters is still there, though. I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic...

To be fair, it didn't say when Elma would be in Smash.

I feel sorry for Waluigi fans tho, even an 8-ball is against them.

I watched a video yesterday where someone suggested Kratos from God of War and Mickey Mouse...seriously some people need a reality check and need to realize how difficult licencing is. It's not like Sakurai or someone from Nintendo walks to a third party company and says "Lets add X to Smash" and the company is like "Yeah go for it. Here, take Y as a bonus and go nuts".

Not to mention that Sega owns Persona-Developer Atlus which probably made licencing/ communication a bit easier since Sega is already on board with Smash.

And no the argument "It's Smash. Everyone wants their character in Smash" is not a good argument for someones inclusion...

Meanwhile, they also forget that one noteworthy Nintendo appearance is necessary. Even something as minor as Teatherhythm or FF Explorers.

I said respectively after each one so hopefully people don't get confused.

But yeah, I really wanted Rex but he's dead in the water right now and anyone who doesn't think so aren't thibking rationally. He's dead, let him rest peacefully.

Yeah, even I'm not delusional enough to think he'll be considered for the fighter pass or any further Ultimate DLC, other older characters need a chance anyway.