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It's not that he's gotten a leak wrong (for this game at least), but more he just doesn't know the full roster.

The only way Verge is proven wrong is if he says a character is in (like Incineroar or Ken) and they get deconfirmed, which hasn't happened yet.

So far, Verge hasn't said anything that negatively affects Elma's chances.

*EDIT: As an interesting side note, if we get a character reveal on the speculated October 10th date, it'll be on the 11th year anniversary from when Sonic was revealed for Brawl.
And as we all know, Sonic goes fast. And you know another character that goes fast? Elma.
Elma confirmed.

But fr, what if we got Shadow then? Revealing an echo of Sonic on the anniversary of when he was first announced would make a lot of sense.
 

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And as we all know, Sonic goes fast. And you know another character that goes fast? Elma.
Elma confirmed.

But fr, what if we got Shadow then? Revealing an echo of Sonic on the anniversary of when he was first announced would make a lot of sense.
Assuming this isn't some amazing coincidence and Sakurai is revealing a character on that date on purpose, possibly, especially since I think Shadow is in. Though I do have trouble seeing Sakurai reveal an echo by itself, unless they just do it via a blog update, which is possible.

Another possibility is a third party unique character reveal, as Sonic was. Either way, most of these outcomes could potentially hurt the Box Theory, which will thus help Elma's chances.
 
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This is kinda relevant to Elma. So. Monolithsoft have started hiring for their new RPG project!

 

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So Gamefaqs has a topic going atm that noticed how Medusa's English VA(Cree Summer) made a tweet or something about Smash Bros. They feel that this might lead to her reveal as an echo, as they're connecting it to how Shulk's VA(Adam Howden) teased about Smash before his reveal, and that both are pretty similar.

How would you guys feel about an Elma reveal with Medusa as an echo-to Palutena of course?
Y E S
please
i need my snake lady in Smash
 

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I had a bit of a random thought regarding X music. Namely, that I really hope that any tracks that do make it into Smash keep their wonderful names, such as z5m20i12r04a28, z10b2r0i1e2f0i9n1g3, raTEoREkiSImeAra, or MNN+@0・.

And as we all know, Sonic goes fast. And you know another character that goes fast? Elma.
Elma confirmed.

But fr, what if we got Shadow then? Revealing an echo of Sonic on the anniversary of when he was first announced would make a lot of sense.
Come to think of it, Elma would probably be one of the faster characters in the game, at least in terms of running speed. I mean, running in X gets you faster than anything you could ever pull of in 1 or 2. For that matter, if her appearance is keeping thing as close to the game as possible, her jump height would similarly be incredible.
 

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I had a bit of a random thought regarding X music. Namely, that I really hope that any tracks that do make it into Smash keep their wonderful names, such as z5m20i12r04a28, z10b2r0i1e2f0i9n1g3, raTEoREkiSImeAra, or MNN+@0・.



Come to think of it, Elma would probably be one of the faster characters in the game, at least in terms of running speed. I mean, running in X gets you faster than anything you could ever pull of in 1 or 2. For that matter, if her appearance is keeping thing as close to the game as possible, her jump height would similarly be incredible.
Yeah, sprint jumping is incredible in XCX. You can get to ridiculous places with it, and it was really fun to boot. Elma's class, Full Metal Jaguar (which is the coolest name btw) was also basically the agility and evasion class, so her being fast makes sense.
 

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I had a bit of a random thought regarding X music. Namely, that I really hope that any tracks that do make it into Smash keep their wonderful names, such as z5m20i12r04a28, z10b2r0i1e2f0i9n1g3, raTEoREkiSImeAra, or MNN+@0・.



Come to think of it, Elma would probably be one of the faster characters in the game, at least in terms of running speed. I mean, running in X gets you faster than anything you could ever pull of in 1 or 2. For that matter, if her appearance is keeping thing as close to the game as possible, her jump height would similarly be incredible.
She surely would be quite fast and with good jump (like a new Falco), but I also see her being very floaty, which for me isn't a big deal since I also main Mewtwo but for some might be a deal breaker...
 

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This is kinda relevant to Elma. So. Monolithsoft have started hiring for their new RPG project!

I kinda hope it’s XCX2, but with the Mechonis painting it’s probably a Xenoblade 1 remaster...
 

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Well, the sign has the name of all xenoblade games, not just the first, and I heard this HD image of Mechonis and Biones was in the code of the original game? Not sure, but my guess is that they are just reusing it, and the name of the three xenoblade games are there just to show "hey, this are the projects we did with Nintendo, cool right, would like to join our team?" The sign may not even be for Xenoblade but for that new IP once again. But since I don't know how to read in Kanji, I am not sure.
 

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Well, the sign has the name of all xenoblade games, not just the first, and I heard this HD image of Mechonis and Biones was in the code of the original game? Not sure, but my guess is that they are just reusing it, and the name of the three xenoblade games are there just to show "hey, this are the projects we did with Nintendo, cool right, would like to join our team?" The sign may not even be for Xenoblade but for that new IP once again. But since I don't know how to read in Kanji, I am not sure.
This is a new project. The new Xeno project and the new IP are listed separately on Monolith's site.
 

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Since we talked about music theory a while ago, and I was wondering about what series are even left when taking that into account, I decided to spin that thought a little further, and also look at how many music updates there are left. So, assuming that the rate stays at one per week, there is exactly nine music updates left. In terms of series that already have a playable character, the current situation is as follows:
  • Mario - Already had a music update
  • Donkey Kong - Already had a music update, has King K. Rool as newcomer
  • Zelda - Already had a music update
  • Metroid - Already had a music update, has Ridley as newcomer and Dark Samus as an Echo
  • Yoshi - Already had a music update
  • Kirby - Already had a music update
  • Star Fox - No music update yet (Has three more tracks than in Smash 4, according to the 8.8. Direct)
  • Pokémon - Already had a music update
  • Earthbound - No music update yet
  • F-Zero - Already had a music update
  • Ice Climber - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion
  • Fire Emblem - Already had a music update
  • Game & Watch - No music update yet, already confirmed to have the same amount of tracks as in Smash 4, according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Kid Icarus - No music update yet
  • Wario - No music update yet
  • Metal Gear - Already had a music update
  • Sonic - No music update yet, has six tracks more than in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Pikmin - Already had a music update
  • R.O.B. - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion
  • Animal Crossing - Already had a music update, has Isabelle as newcomer
  • Mega Man - Already had a music update
  • Wii Fit - No music update yet, has four more tracks that in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Punch-Out!! - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion (?)
  • Pac-Man - No music update yet, has ten tracks more than in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Xenoblade - No music update yet
  • Duck Hunt - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one
  • Street Fighter - Already had a music update
  • Final Fantasy - Confirmed by the 8.8. Direct to have the same amount of songs as in Smash 4
  • Bayonetta - Confirmed by the 8.8. Direct to have the same amount of songs as in Smash 4
  • Splatoon - Already had a music update, entirely new series
  • Castlevania - Already had a music update, entirely new series
So with this in mind, we'd have nine music updates left, eight series that have yet to receive a music update that realistically could, and one update that would have to either come from entirely new series, or minor series with only a stage/music.
. . .Admittedly, this doesn't have much to do with Elma specifically, since Xenoblade is obviously an already represented series, but I had to write these thoughts down somewhere. I just hope that whatever character is revealed next keeps this theory alive. . .

Edit: I somehow kept miscounting my own list here. I initially thought that there six series with no update yet, but I forgot to include both Wii Fit and Wario. Assuming that every one of these series gets a song, that's only one that's unaccounted for. If Punch-Out also gets a remix, though, that'd be every week fully accounted for in terms of series.

This is a new project. The new Xeno project and the new IP are listed separately on Monolith's site.
Wait, a new Xeno project in addition to the new IP? What's this now?
 
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Since we talked about music theory a while ago, and I was wondering about what series are even left when taking that into account, I decided to spin that thought a little further, and also look at how many music updates there are left. So, assuming that the rate stays at one per week, there is exactly nine music updates left. In terms of series that already have a playable character, the current situation is as follows:
  • Mario - Already had a music update
  • Donkey Kong - Already had a music update, has King K. Rool as newcomer
  • Zelda - Already had a music update
  • Metroid - Already had a music update, has Ridley as newcomer and Dark Samus as an Echo
  • Yoshi - Already had a music update
  • Kirby - Already had a music update
  • Star Fox - No music update yet (Has three more tracks than in Smash 4, according to the 8.8. Direct)
  • Pokémon - Already had a music update
  • Earthbound - No music update yet
  • F-Zero - Already had a music update
  • Ice Climber - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion
  • Fire Emblem - Already had a music update
  • Game & Watch - No music update yet, already confirmed to have the same amount of tracks as in Smash 4, according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Kid Icarus - No music update yet
  • Wario - No music update yet
  • Metal Gear - Already had a music update
  • Sonic - No music update yet, has six tracks more than in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Pikmin - Already had a music update
  • R.O.B. - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion
  • Animal Crossing - Already had a music update, has Isabelle as newcomer
  • Mega Man - Already had a music update
  • Wii Fit - No music update yet, has four more tracks that in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Punch-Out!! - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one in my opinion (?)
  • Pac-Man - No music update yet, has ten tracks more than in Smash 4 according to the 8.8. Direct
  • Xenoblade - No music update yet
  • Duck Hunt - No music update yet, unlikely to receive one
  • Street Fighter - Already had a music update
  • Final Fantasy - Confirmed by the 8.8. Direct to have the same amount of songs as in Smash 4
  • Bayonetta - Confirmed by the 8.8. Direct to have the same amount of songs as in Smash 4
  • Splatoon - Already had a music update, entirely new series
  • Castlevania - Already had a music update, entirely new series
#LeonPowalskiNintenMedusaMonaShadowMs.Pac-ManandElmaconfirmed :p
 
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I kinda hope it’s XCX2, but with the Mechonis painting it’s probably a Xenoblade 1 remaster...
Put your concerns to rest. It's not a remaster.

Tetsuya Takahashi said:
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Monolith Soft CCO Tetsuya Takahashi



…So we’re hiring for everything in Division 1 production. When I write it this way, people might think, “Did Monolith lose a bunch of people?”, but don’t worry. We at Division 1 are all doing just fine, with no vacancies.



Then why are we recruiting? The answer is simple. We’re understaffed.



The motto of Division 1 is “Making up its small number with great talent” (A Japanese idiom). That’s something that won’t be changing anytime soon, but there’s a limit to things. In comparison to other companies with a similar project size, we’ve been making games with much less staff than you would typically see, and while this sort of structure has helped each of us with understanding each of our roles, it has also lead to us not being able to check our games thoroughly enough, and when someone has to call in sick, we had to make do with other members on our staff.



To give an analogy, it’s like Koshien (Highschool baseball) with only nine players, or going to the World Cup with only eleven players. When something goes awry, we had to have our shortstop also play as second baseman, or our forward position also had to cover as the midfielder.



This is unacceptable if we want to provide customers with something better, so we’re hiring for all parts of the division.



I especially want to highlight the parts of programmer, map modeler, and level designer. Obviously, programmers are at the core of any game, and I want to improve our map-making, which is something Monolith Soft is already known to be good at, and build an even better world for customers to experience. Maps are at the core of Role Playing Games. It is most certainly not plot. Because without it, we can’t do anything, but with it, we can estimate all the costs… I can definitively say that from my years on the job, and everyone here at Monolith Soft agrees. It’s a very important job, and thus very rewarding.



You can make a game.

A world.

You can be the core of Monolith Soft.

Lend us your power, your talent, your creativity.



We’re also looking for character designers. My decision for this is not really for this project specifically, but because I have a strong desire to find a designer who can become the face of Monolith Soft in the future.*1 During my time at Square, I met very talented designers such as Nomura-kun (Tetsuya Nomura), and it would be a dream-come-true to have someone as talented (Although we did get Nomura-kun for Xenoblade 2). If only we had someone like that at Monolith Soft… Of course, we’re not looking just for character designers, but other artwork staff, too.



Just to add, aside from all the jobs we’ve laid out, we’re also looking for specialists in UI/UX design, battle planners and quest planners, so if you think you’re up for it, please come to our doors.



Finally, there is something that is required for all parts. It is a love (respect) for Monolith Soft games. We all know how things end when they’re made with no love or respect. When I say respect, I am talking about acknowledging both the good and the bad. Not blind faith. Please share your love with Division 1.



We are recruiting for staff members for a new RPG project that will continue (in the vein of) Xenoblade, Xenoblade X, and Xenoblade 2.
Source

I'm hardcore praying to the Sawano gods for XCX2.
 
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The new project page says it's specifically a Takahashi production, hence the Xenoblade imagery used. It's quite likely a Xeno game, but not necessarily XB3 or X2; Takahashi did say a third option was possible for the series in a recent interview.
 

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I don't know much of anything about this franchise or Elma herself. However, looking at Elma's design and moveset potential, I think I'd enjoy her. I'd certainly choose her over Rex, whose design is downright obnoxious. Elma at least looks cool and has a variety of things she could do.

Also, just a side note, she would be the first woman of color to join a roster dominated by cartoon creatures and white people. Like I've said, I don't know a thing about her actual backstory, but there is an imbalance there and while I'm not one of those people that absolutely foam at the mouth regarding this topic, it should still be taken into consideration.
 

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The new project page says it's specifically a Takahashi production, hence the Xenoblade imagery used. It's quite likely a Xeno game, but not necessarily XB3 or X2; Takahashi did say a third option was possible for the series in a recent interview.
I wonder what it can be...and how much of a departure would it be from XB1/X/2?
 

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The new project page says it's specifically a Takahashi production, hence the Xenoblade imagery used. It's quite likely a Xeno game, but not necessarily XB3 or X2; Takahashi did say a third option was possible for the series in a recent interview.
Yeah. It's clearly a Xenoblade title, not Xeno. Otherwise they would've mentioned the Xenosaga series.

I'm pretty much expecting them to take the "third option" for the next game, as that's what Takahashi said. It won't be a continuation to the Xenoblade 1/2 universe or the Xenoblade X universe--it'll be its own universe. If not, then it'll be XCX2.
 

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Well, whatever it is, and whichever they announce first, I just really hope that they announce it soon-ish. Like, in a January Direct in 2019 at earliest, soon-ish. As refreshing as Torna was, I really just want to be able to put XBC2 behind me (and preferably also its art style and type of character designs).
 

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You know, that reminds me...I had an idea about Xenoblade 3 if that’s what this game is.

So here’s how the combat system would work in my mind:
You control a character, similarly to XB1, but there’s a catch. Each game in the mainline Xenoblade games had a different combat system. XB1 had you scrolling through your Arts to use them and XB2 had you switch to other Blades to use them.
In my Xenoblade 3, the Arts are different for one simple reason: the combat system is sort of a version of Absolver’s combat system (which would be improved, depending on how bad it is. I never really looked into Absolver, so I don’t know) in a sense that it uses only hand-to-hand combat. Three of your Arts are used like in the original while many other arts are used at the end of different combo strings, the Art being different based on how the combo is executed.

Now for the gimmick. XB1 has Visions, XBX had Overdrive and XB2 had Blade Arts. My XB3 is sort of a blend of the latter two: a character can achieve a super powered state called ‘Blade’, which ‘sharpens’ the users sense and abilities, and boosts power with Elements.

Speaking of which, XB1 had six elements (Fire, Water, Earth, Ice, Wind and Lightning) while XB2 added 2 more (Light and Shadow). XB3 would add another two elements, Wood and Metal, taken from the Chinese elements. Each element would give the user buffs based on which element it is. For example, Metal would give boosted defense while Wind would boost your speed.

I’m still thinking of more for this idea, but give your thoughts on it so far.
 

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To further cement it being a Xenoblade game the source code of the website confirms it:

i don't think it would be XB3 so soon after Torna just got finished. I think it's time to return to the X side of the Xenoblade universe

WE XBX2 BOIS
 

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Haven't been here a while, but I'd be so stoked to finally get back into the X universe after my previous disappointment with XC2's announcement back in 2017. I still want to see where the story takes us in that series.

Here's hoping that it's indeed XCX2.
 

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Whatever it is, it definitely won't be XC3. Takahashi has said that he gets bored of whatever he last worked on.

And in a recent interview he said that the next project could be a game like X (Which would likely be X2) But he also said a third option isn't entirely out of the question. Whether that means another entry in the Xenoblade multiverse, or an entirely new game, is anybody's guess, but it is at least possible that X2 could be this new project, and I'm gonna stay optimistic for that.
 

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Whatever it is, it definitely won't be XC3. Takahashi has said that he gets bored of whatever he last worked on.

And in a recent interview he said that the next project could be a game like X (Which would likely be X2) But he also said a third option isn't entirely out of the question. Whether that means another entry in the Xenoblade multiverse, or an entirely new game, is anybody's guess, but it is at least possible that X2 could be this new project, and I'm gonna stay optimistic for that.
Sounds like they're working on both a new IP and a new XC game (hopefully XCX2).
 

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Okay, it indeed seems to be a xenoblade game, thanks for the sources guy. I am surprised, really am, I did not expect them to be working on two projects now (new xeno and new IP).

That point Takahashi did about looking for an artist, makes me wonder why they don't get Tanaka as a fixed Monolith employee, hummm.
 

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>Scrolls through Smashboards
>sees thread's title
>".....wait WHAT?"

I'd be totally down for a XCX2. Can't wait spend hours of my life going on a grand adventure to eventually get to another cliffhanger for XCX3. :troll:
 

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Okay, it indeed seems to be a xenoblade game, thanks for the sources guy. I am surprised, really am, I did not expect them to be working on two projects now (new xeno and new IP).

That point Takahashi did about looking for an artist, makes me wonder why they don't get Tanaka as a fixed Monolith employee, hummm.
Maybe Tanaka is too busy with other projects or prefers to be a freelance artist? It's a shame that Tanaka probably won't be used again, but maybe it's for the best? Who knows, maybe the next one will be even better?
 

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God we need X2 badly. That ending has haunted me for years. Hopefully Elma is still a key focus of the game, which she hopefully will be.
 

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Maybe Tanaka is too busy with other projects or prefers to be a freelance artist? It's a shame that Tanaka probably won't be used again, but maybe it's for the best? Who knows, maybe the next one will be even better?
Yeah, could be that he prefer to stay as a freelancer. Takahashi already said how welcome he is for his games and that he appreciates his work if I am not mistaken, so I imagine that Takahashi would want him to join Monolith. If this haven't happen yet than it is probably because Tanaka does not want (and probably have reasons too)
 

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I personally don’t believe in the music theory anymore, not only due to the Incineroar thing, but we got Dark Samus months after a Metroid track (and that’s when people started applying the “echoes are immune” rule).

Elma doesn’t really need the music theory anyway, she’s got other things going for her, like the complete lack of Xenoblade content on the blog so far, and Hiroyuki Sawano’s “project”. Not to mention Bill Trinen’s slip up of “the Xenoblade characters” when in a context of playable characters.
 

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we got Dark Samus months after a Metroid track (and that’s when people started applying the “echoes are immune” rule)..
This right here. If you have to change the theory in order for it to still be valid, then it's probably wrong.
 

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I personally don’t believe in the music theory anymore, not only due to the Incineroar thing, but we got Dark Samus months after a Metroid track (and that’s when people started applying the “echoes are immune” rule).

Elma doesn’t really need the music theory anyway, she’s got other things going for her, like the complete lack of Xenoblade content on the blog so far, and Hiroyuki Sawano’s “project”. Not to mention Bill Trinen’s slip up of “the Xenoblade characters” when in a context of playable characters.
Uh, was music theory even really a thing before the 8.8. Direct? Because I don't ever remember a version of that theory going around that doesn't exclude Echoes, especially since Daisy was revealed at E3 and we didn't get a Mario track until months later.
As for Incineroar. . . yeah, no, I'm not seeing it. The word of a "leaker" with a very spotty track record is nowhere near enough to convince me of it being in, especially not since music theory has more going for it as of right now.

Bill's "slip-up" similarly is just unconvincing to me - it just seems a bit more likely that he simply forgot Shulk's name at the time and forgot.
 

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Hopefully we get news of the inevitable direct we're going to have for this month.

Do you guys think it'll be a singular character or an actual Smash direct? My bet's on the latter, since that way, we'll have all the important info before people with early copies and leaks come out. I can see one or two character trailers being reserved for mid-November and maybe early December.


Although that's just me. I'm certain whatever info we're getting this month will push the hype even if it's just a tiny little bit.
We all want Elma, and we see that she has a lot going for her. But do we see her being a possible Robin/Lucina case? Or will she be part of a bigger direct?
 

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Hopefully we get news of the inevitable direct we're going to have for this month.

Do you guys think it'll be a singular character or an actual Smash direct? My bet's on the latter, since that way, we'll have all the important info before people with early copies and leaks come out. I can see one or two character trailers being reserved for mid-November and maybe early December.


Although that's just me. I'm certain whatever info we're getting this month will push the hype even if it's just a tiny little bit.
We all want Elma, and we see that she has a lot going for her. But do we see her being a possible Robin/Lucina case? Or will she be part of a bigger direct?
Honestly I can't see them doing a full Direct now. If they reveal every mode now hype will inevitably die out. Also we would have heard of it by now, since Wednesday Directs are usually revealed the Friday prior, and in particular Smash Directs have always been annunced several days before the actual airing.

I'm expecting a Robin style reveal for this month, theb the final Smash Direct in mid November
 

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Hopefully we get news of the inevitable direct we're going to have for this month.

Do you guys think it'll be a singular character or an actual Smash direct? My bet's on the latter, since that way, we'll have all the important info before people with early copies and leaks come out. I can see one or two character trailers being reserved for mid-November and maybe early December.


Although that's just me. I'm certain whatever info we're getting this month will push the hype even if it's just a tiny little bit.
We all want Elma, and we see that she has a lot going for her. But do we see her being a possible Robin/Lucina case? Or will she be part of a bigger direct?
I feel like it’ll be a full direct, with a few character reveals, details on the Spirits Mode, and an announcement for a Global TestSmash next month.
 

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Been a while since I've been here. With the whole Box Theory, and the characters that people are mostly talking about being Ken and Incineroar, I was beginning to lose faith in Elma's chances of getting into smash, but you all have been bringing up some great points; giving me more hope than ever for Elma's inclusion to Smash. She is one my most wanted characters.

Yeah, just give us Elma so we can stop with this echo chamber of the same few characters. I really want something to shake up that speculation so we can stop debating on temporary designs and leaked images.
Anything that'll help us escape this monotony in Smash Speculation.
Yeah, sprint jumping is incredible in XCX. You can get to ridiculous places with it, and it was really fun to boot. Elma's class, Full Metal Jaguar (which is the coolest name btw) was also basically the agility and evasion class, so her being fast makes sense.
Quick, agile, and evasive is my play style in spades so it'll be great to see what she brings to the table.
i don't think it would be XB3 so soon after Torna just got finished. I think it's time to return to the X side of the Xenoblade universe

WE XBX2 BOIS
Here's hoping they give us XBX for Switch too. I want to be able to play that before XBX2
 
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