Luthien
Smash Ace
Gah. This has been argued far to many times before. Still, I like to think continuity holds some power in the Smash world...Or you could maintain that continuity means jack in Smash Bros![]()
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Gah. This has been argued far to many times before. Still, I like to think continuity holds some power in the Smash world...Or you could maintain that continuity means jack in Smash Bros![]()
I know Jack. He seems like a nice, sensible guy. I think he'd agree that continuity is worth something in the SSB universe.Or you could maintain that continuity means jack in Smash Bros![]()
You don't understand something far more important. REALITY.You obviously have a terrible grasp on what an opinion is.
I'm sick of writing essays for tools who cant't understand so much as one word. So actually, I do want to cop out. Saves me the bull****.In other words, you're pulling it out of your *** and want to cop out.
No, becasue what I was adressing was how irrelivant your point was, and I don't think there's anyone here who understands/cares what your talking about here anyway.Sorry to be the first to tell you. Melee isn't canon, Ocarina of Time is. Name one similarity other than Deku nuts and transforming into Zelda that Sheik has in Melee.
How droll. *takes a long drag off a cigarette through one of those cigartette holders, turns up nose and struts away, stroking a fox-fur shawl*you silly child...
You're right, they wouldn't suddenly flock to Zelda (unless Zelda is the new Sheik) and I'm pretty glad they wouldn't. The Sheik userbase that uses her because she's unbalanced will go for the Brawl equivalent while the ones who like Sheik for Sheik would just go to another favoured character.Would someone please explain to me why taking Sheik out of Brawl would give her more fame? I mean, I could see some people going for her morely but I don't see a whole group flocking to Zelda because Sheik would get scrapped. I actually see just the normal group of Zelda users going to use Zelda. I don't see any Sheik-goers going to switch to Zelda. I see them going for someone more like Snake if they want ninja-esque power, if they wanted to.
Easy, but you're going to have to go with either the "multiple stories" or "Twilight Princess is set however many years after Ocarina of Time" theory. Since Smash Brothers is a mosaic of different games, Zelda from Ocarina of Time could choose to join Brawl in the form of Sheik and decide it's not necessary to revert back to Zelda. At the same time, her descendent, Zelda, could come from Twilight Princess and join the Brawl herself having no knowledge of how to transform into a Sheikah fighter. This way we have two different Zelda's in two different forms, right?Secondly, could someone explain to me why Sheik can be her own character. I have a hard time believing how that is possible. I never have and probably never will see it that way.
See, that's why I think it's illogical to say that Zelda would get her turn in the spotlight because she really wouldn't. Unless of course, as you said, Zelda is the new Sheik.You're right, they wouldn't suddenly flock to Zelda (unless Zelda is the new Sheik) and I'm pretty glad they wouldn't. The Sheik userbase that uses her because she's unbalanced will go for the Brawl equivalent while the ones who like Sheik for Sheik would just go to another favoured character.
I understand that but really, how likely is that? Do you really think Sakurai would think it over like that?Easy, but you're going to have to go with either the "multiple stories" or "Twilight Princess is set however many years after Ocarina of Time" theory. Since Smash Brothers is a mosaic of different games, Zelda from Ocarina of Time could choose to join Brawl in the form of Sheik and decide it's not necessary to revert back to Zelda. At the same time, her descendent, Zelda, could come from Twilight Princess and join the Brawl herself having no knowledge of how to transform into a Sheikah fighter. This way we have two different Zelda's in two different forms, right?
Well there's Link and Young Link, but I think he was just under too much pressure and made rash decisions. Sooo probably not in Brawl.I understand that but really, how likely is that? Do you really think Sakurai would think it over like that?
It's an analagy, to help people understand. You clearly don't. My point was that in reality, certain opinions are looked down upon for good reason. Philisophocally, opinions don't even exist.Comparing my opinion to Hitler's is ridiculous, because you can compare that to any opinion and my opinion is completely valid until it brings the security and human rights of people into question. Sorry guys, but since Sheik is a fictional character, she doesn't count.
Absolutely not. You choose the character you like and you go from there. Nobody played as Bowser, either, I don't know what you're talking about. Smash is not single-player, man. Go to a tournament sometime.And for people who say that I shouldn't blame Zelda's lack of use on Sheik's character, I'm not, I'm blaming it on noobs who use Sheik and think they're so good and that the character is awesome. Hence why I want the tier list, or how I like to call it, the broken level list completely out dead and gone, that includes any form of favoring one character over the other; aren't you supposed to master every character and choose them based on which is your favorite instead of which one is more overpowered? I bet that about 80% of the reason why people want Sheik back is solely because she is "noob-friendly" and not because of who her character is. Sakurai looks back on the few selectable and frowns on the concept and I'm there with him.
Iris voices my opinions most of the time, but I don't want Sheik as her own separate character because I think there are many more characters that deserve the PC slots more than her, someone who isn't even her own character of an older game.
He wouldn't.I understand that but really, how likely is that? Do you really think Sakurai would think it over like that?
I don't see why he would be removed, so many people love that little dude, and he's pretty relevant.Well there's Link and Young Link, but I think he was just under too much pressure and made rash decisions. Sooo probably not in Brawl.
Or Sakurai wants us at the edge of our seats? It's a two-way perception. Shiek is not as noob-friendly as Marth, and to be GOOD with Shiek requires more skill than you evidently have.Ah, while I didnt like Shiek in Melee because of the utter noob-friendliness, I dont doubt her return just because Sakurai kept Zelda away from the demo. That says a lot in my book...
Can someone write this into a stone tablet?Absolutely not. You choose the character you like and you go from there. Nobody played as Bowser, either, I don't know what you're talking about. Smash is not single-player, man. Go to a tournament sometime.
Sheik is WAY n00b-friendlier than Marth, from what I've heard.Shiek is not as noob-friendly as Marth, and to be GOOD with Shiek requires more skill than you evidently have.
Things definitely get much easier upon switching to Sheik. But after reading all of Zelda's stupid trophies, I no longer know what to think with the whole Sheik subject. Then again, with Sakurai, I never know what to think anyway so it all makes sense again.Sheik is like playing on auto-pilot. Seriously.
Hilarious. How old are you? 12? Because that's your maturity level.It's an analagy, to help people understand. You clearly don't. My point was that in reality, certain opinions are looked down upon for good reason. Philisophocally, opinions don't even exist.
So looking at this in a REAL way, some opinions suck. Go cry, the world is cruel.
I am amused at Iris. Can't handle the heat.
Intolerant and delusional?Well from what I've experienced, she isn't.
I have NOTHING against Young Link, and I agree that he is more important than Adult Link, etc. I just don't think it's worth giving a character slot to a character that is little more than an alternate version of Link even having importance and symbolism in that regard. I don't see why he can't fit as an alternate costume; he still is a character in Brawl and you can still play him just that you have to click on Link on the character selection screen to get to him first. -shrug-As for the Whole Young Link & Link thing, it's not completely on topic, but Young Link is the true Link, compared to how many Zelda games Adult Link has been the star in (1.5, one of which him being simply an older teen) that would certainly make it the case... Young Link doesn't get the respect he deserves. Wait a second... I don't even know why I'm calling him Young Link, he's LINK, just Link. It's the one everyone calls "Link" that should be called "Adult Link"
-shrug- Maybe you're right, but the point is Adult Link is there and that's that.My point is, "Young" Link should be in there INSTEAD of Adult Link. He's surely only in there for the "more mature audience who think adult Link is moar badass lolz" because we all know kids don't have a problem at all in SSB.
& If that's not the case then it's because Adult Link is overrated & overpopular.
Realizing this, you STILL made another Sheik thread for this forum, but whatever let's start.Well, just look at this forum, most of the threads are not about Zelda, but about Sheik. I think that Zelda really needs a chance to shine, and that people should actually use Zelda. How many people actually press on the Zelda icon in Melee without thinking of using Sheik? A very small percentage of the total, I believe. I think Zelda needs her own, character slot, no Sheik.
Smash bros is a myriad of all the characters versions mixed into one. Zelda still has most of her moveset from Melee, and yet I don't recall any of those skills being in TP. Sheik is a part of Zelda, from her OoT times. Sheik IS Zelda, Smash Bros isn't supposed to make sense with the Zelda timeline.The second reason why I'm opposed to Sheik being included in Brawl is, well... the game isn't using the Ocarina of Time designs anymore. That was Melee, and I think it should stay in it's time. Sheik was there to represent that time, when OOT was the Zelda game and I think it should stay that way.
Luigi's most likely gonna be in the game, and Mario has a color scheme that makes him look EXACTLY like Luigi. There's gonna be similarities in the game, the game isn't going to be 30-40esque characters who are all completely unique.Going on, I'm pretty against the idea of alternate versions of characters having their own character slots (Yes, I'm looking at you WWLink and Dr. Mario; alternate costumes or gtfo). Sheik is only remnant of Ocarina of Time and she wasn't even her own character there, I don't think she deserves her own character slot either. I think it's time to let other characters take over that, and I think there are tons of characters more deserving of a spot in Brawl than Sheik.
Because people would still rather use what they were used to in Melee, despite Sheik being nerfed.So what's so hard about powering Zelda up a little and weakening Sheik? Sheik IS Zelda. In no way is Sheik taking away anything of Zelda, people will use whoever they feel most comfortable with.
And I said in response to him, you still had to play all the characters to defeat the game, except Zelda because you could just switch to Sheik. Besides, if the game is to become balanced like Sakurai wants it to be, then Fox shouldn't detract attention for any character with their own slot. However, just because of Sheik's inclusion in Melee, Sheik will still detract attention from Zelda nerfed or not.As Xanderous had stated in the first page, characters like Fox take away from playing Zelda.
They'd still have to play with her to complete the game unlike Melee, and they'd at least be giving her a chance.If Sheik was removed from Zelda's down B, would people start using Zelda instead? Lmfao, no.
You still had to beat Classic and Adventure mode with Pichu to complete the game, so you did have to give it at least a try. It was different with Zelda because you didn't have to use her.You think Zelda has it bad? Pichu is the least used character in Melee.
As I said, nerfed or not because of what happened in Melee, players will still switch to Sheik and ignore Zelda unless Sheik becomes an underpowered character.So no, Sheik doesn't have to be removed. With Brawl's new floatiness, would Sheik really be as killer as she was in Melee? Probably not.
Whether the moveset has been completely made up or not it's still based on Zelda, and Zelda's character design is completely off Twilight Princess, while Melee was of Ocarina of Time. How is Smash bros not supposed to make sense with the timeline?Smash bros is a myriad of all the characters versions mixed into one. Zelda still has most of her moveset from Melee, and yet I don't recall any of those skills being in TP. Sheik is a part of Zelda, from her OoT times. Sheik IS Zelda, Smash Bros isn't supposed to make sense with the Zelda timeline.
Luigi is a separate character from Mario, for starters, and who says Luigi can't get a revamped moveset since Melee?Luigi's most likely gonna be in the game, and Mario has a color scheme that makes him look EXACTLY like Luigi.
Midna at least is her own character from a recent game, although I agree that I don't see her as a playable character in Brawl either.And who's more deserving than Sheik really? And please don't say Midna, because she's not.
It's all part of something us informed beings call 'perspective'. You're jsut goign to have to deal with itHilarious. How old are you? 12? Because that's your maturity level.
Your analogy not only fails, but it just shows how you are intolerant of other people's opinions. I am not trying to be offensive to anyone, yet you are quick to insult me because of a fictional gaming character. I suppose that you must be really lonely outside of the computer.
Well I think it does, go die.Yes, some opinions are frowned upon by society. Unfortunately for you, I don't think my opinion fits in that category just because it is different than yours.
The only reason I bring it up is to point out that you and I are now alike. Congratulations you contradictive, arogant *****.Intolerant and delusional? I laughed out loud.
I was referring to Methodological Skepticism: rejecting any ideas that can be doubted, and then reestablish them in order to acquire a firm foundation for genuine knowledge.Philosophically, opinion doesn't exist? How is that? Opinion is something that isn't fact, not everything is fact, therefore, there is opinion.
Give this person a medal.So what's so hard about powering Zelda up a little and weakening Sheik? Sheik IS Zelda. In no way is Sheik taking away anything of Zelda, people will use whoever they feel most comfortable with.
As Xanderous had stated in the first page, characters like Fox take away from playing Zelda. I use Marth and Peach, because I love how Marth looks, and Peach's float in midair thing is always fun. If they weren't in the game, would I be using Zelda? Probably not, because i'm not a fan of Zelda. If Sheik was removed from Zelda's down B, would people start using Zelda instead? Lmfao, no.
You think Zelda has it bad? Pichu is the least used character in Melee. In fact, the only time I ever used Pichu was to try him out after I got him, and for random multiplayer battles when I bet my friends I could kick their *** with Pichu. Zelda has power and pretty good attacks.
Make that two medals.Smash bros is a myriad of all the characters versions mixed into one. Zelda still has most of her moveset from Melee, and yet I don't recall any of those skills being in TP. Sheik is a part of Zelda, from her OoT times. Sheik IS Zelda, Smash Bros isn't supposed to make sense with the Zelda timeline.
Better yet, just make this person the President.And who's more deserving than Sheik really? And please don't say Midna, because she's not.
Ready?And I said in response to him, you still had to play all the characters to defeat the game, except Zelda because you could just switch to Sheik
Good, now go home.I'm going to raise my hands up in the air and declare that I am, in fact, not a Princess Zelda fan.
You just keep getting cuter. Insulting my avatar to get at me? Awwww.Those who differ from generality are often ridiculed.
BTW, anyone with a 'smores' avitar can't be too grown up themselves. Good choice there, excellent subject matter. And here's what REALLY makes me LOL
YOU:
"Hey guys look at this guy on the Smash Bros. Brawl forum!!"
YOUR FRIENDS:
HYUK HYUK HYUK LAWLZ FORUMZ!!
ME:
lol what tards.
You openly admit you amusing yourself and friends by looking at internet forums together. This TRULY lowers my already low opinion of you. I'd rather be alone in a house than hang out with you OR your friends. Any day.
But it's sad how stupid you must be. Have you ever actually been in a REAL debate instead of one on the internet? You're not exactly taking things in a realistic perspective. And you know what? I'm not afraid to say it here or anywhere else - you're opinion IS WRONG, and you're stupid. Bite me already.
Now, if you're ready to post something that has any weight whatsoever, I invite you to do it.
"I am out of ideas. I failed."You just keep getting cuter. Insulting my avatar to get at me? Awwww.
Awww. Sorry kid, but I'm not going to waste my thoughts on a 12 year old noob, even if you have a spellchecker.I will now take this opportunity to translate Idiot into English:
"I am out of ideas. I failed."
Now I can go all day, but if you're ready to go back on topic, so am I.
I just told you I'm not going to waste my time on a brat with a narrow view of the world.Do you seriously not have anything else?