Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)

[Ura]

I don't have the Roster Maker program on me right now, but I'd do something like this.

- Smash 4 Base Roster

Cut Mii Brawler, Swordfighter, and Gunner. Replace them with a consolidated, single Mii representative of their actual games and have two leftover spaces.

Use one free space to make Mewtwo a base game character.

Use the other to add Chrom onto the roster. The base roster is now the same, exact Mii Fighters are replaced with a consolidated Mii, Chrom, and Mewtwo.

I'd then cut out Doctor Mario, Lucina, and Dark Pit and make them alts. Though, in Lucina's case, she becomes a Chrom alt instead of a Marth alt to be truer to Awakening. Despite this next part not being possible, I'd use these three spaces for unique characters (like I said, technically not possible, but hey, this is hypothetical anyway ). I'd now have three more free spaces.

Lucas and Ryu then come to the base roster, alongside Starfy as a newcomer.

- Onward to DLC.

Mewtwo, Lucas, and Ryu would be on the base roster, so that'd make three free spots. Cutting Roy would make four. Roy is cut.

Corrin, Cloud, and obviously Bayonetta are kept. The four new DLC characters would be Inkling, Henry Fleming, Shovel Knight, and King K. Rool. I'd add Decidueye, but he didn't exist yet. The Switch port, however...


This is also assuming Ice Climbers still couldn't happen due to the 3DS, since presumably I'd have no control over that. Like Decidueye, I'd put them in the Switch port as a bonus.


So yeah. I'd do something like that.

Crap, I forgot about the option of making the Mii's 1 fighter. I should revise my roster on that. Adding back Duck Hunt and the Wii Fit Trainer.

And also I think that adding full characters in place of the 3 clones might be cheating a bit so I should add a rule stating that the 3 clones can only be replaced with other full clones like how I replaced Dark Pit with Alph.

 

[Swop]

Add Chibi-Robo and the roster would be beautiful. Extra Points for Mike Jones there! I wish the StarTropic series got a Reboot.

 

[Ura]

Add Chibi-Robo and the roster would be beautiful. Extra Points for Mike Jones there! I wish the StarTropic series got a Reboot.

Meh. I'm not really a huge Chibi-Robo fan. I put him among the likes of Ray from Custom Robo of characters that I think can be neat additions but don't care for.

And yeah Mike Jones being in Smash Bros could do wonders for his series the same way Pit being in Brawl led to Kid Icarus: Uprising happening. A Startropics game developed by Sakurai would be awesome.

 

[Swop]

Meh. I not really a huge Chibi-Robo fan. I put him among the likes of Ray from Custom Robo of characters that I think can be neat additions but don't care for.

And yeah Mike Jones being in Smash Bros could do wonder for his series the same way Pit being in Brawl led to Kid Icarus: Uprising happening. A Startropics game developed by Sakurai would be awesome.

Your Profile picture went great with that Chibi-Robo comment lol.

I can already see how Gorgeous and wild a 3D StarTropics game could be, would be so hype, I'm just surprised Mike Jones didn't get a Trophy or anything in Smash, its weird and a little wrong.

 

[Ura]

Your Profile picture went great with that Chibi-Robo comment lol.

I can already see how Gorgeous and wild a 3D StarTropics game could be, would be so hype, I'm just surprised Mike Jones didn't get a Trophy or anything in Smash, its weird and a little wrong.

Really? That's pretty neat. My profile pic is the way it is because said character in my avi's series is dead thanks to FE so that's how I envision Andy right about now. Silly I know.

And I fully agree. A new Startropics game can be handled by someone like Retro Studios (or Sakurai as mentioned before) and can easily be the Western Zelda of sorts. Mike Jones would also fit in pretty well in to the game despite looking different from most characters in the game.

 

[Swop]

And I fully agree. A new Startropics game can be handled by someone like Retro Studios (or Sakurai as mentioned before) and can easily be the Western Zelda of sorts. Mike Jones would also fit in pretty well in to the game despite looking different from most characters in the game.

Lmao, a Bud of mine agrees with you, he wants Another Good Advance Wars, but Fire Emblem stole the show away like a bunch of Asshats.

To be honest, I think the only reason why Palutena is in Smash is because Sakurai worked on Uprising, so he had a liking to the characters. I just wish They'd give Startropics some love, its such a unique Series and Mike Jones is like the Definition of early 90's Teens and it just makes me smile.

 

[Ura]

Lmao, a Bud of mine agrees with you, he wants Another Good Advance Wars, but Fire Emblem stole the show away like a bunch of Asshats.

To be honest, I think the only reason why Palutena is in Smash is because Sakurai worked on Uprising, so he had a liking to the characters. I just wish They'd give Startropics some love, its such a unique Series and Mike Jones is like the Definition of early 90's Teens and it just makes me smile.

In addition to that I think Mike Jones could be a nice way for Japanese players to get in to the series like how Marth and Roy were introduced to Western players with Melee.

 

[Swop]

In addition to that I think Mike Jones could be a nice way for Japanese players to get in to the series like how Marth and Roy were introduced to Western players with Melee.

Oh Definitely, but the thing is, how would Mike Jones be unique in the Eyes of Sakurai? we all see the potential, but when it comes down to it, he might not seem interested, and will probably just pawn him off as a Ness clone :/

 

[Ura]

Oh Definitely, but the thing is, how would Mike Jones be unique in the Eyes of Sakurai? we all see the potential, but when it comes down to it, he might not seem interested, and will probably just pawn him off as a Ness clone :/

Lets hope not lol.

 

[N3ON]

CUT DARK PIT, CUT HIM STRAIGHT TO HELL

Also cut Lucina. She's cool but superfluous. Same with Alph. Soz.

Dr. Mario can be an alt, not a character.

And yeh, consolidate the Mii. And cut the custom moves. All of em. They're cool... but superfluous. Huh, deja vu. Palutena gets a new default set of specials.

I would personally cut WFT cuz whatever to her, but... she can stay. Wii Fit was a big deal, the Wii era was a big deal...

I'd also cut Sheik and replace her with Impa. Sheik is a bigger deal in Smash than in her series, that's messed up. I know that's contentious but she got separated this time around so it'd be the right time to rip off the bandaid. Keep the same basic moveset, change some aesthetics to better fit Impa.

Now take all that development time making three Miis and an amount of custom moves I don't want to do the math to figure out and instead...

• Add Dixie. You can even make her a semi-clone for all I care. DK needs more characters and Dixie was popular and fit in line more with the "what have we done lately" mentality of the SSB4 newcomer roster.
• Put that Takamaru fellow in there. He seems cool and by the law of "I'm Sakurai now" every game Smash needs their popular retro and their wtf retro and LITTLE MAC ISN'T A RETRO ANYMORE SAKURAI.
• Do your utmost to get Snake. Failing that, cry.

AND REINSTATE ISAAC AS AT.
^look how unbiased I am. Not like that crazy guy who added Chrom.

Also Magicant, Mute City, and Corneria are Wii U stages as well and there's a stage hazard toggle.

Now for DLC:
Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas, Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta can stay. Corrin can **** off. He's cool but no one would even care if he wasn't already a character. Also FE needs to chill. Even with the fact that I cut Lucina.
Wolf is DLC. Tie it in with SF0 for all I care.
And choose one more character from the ballot. So we actually get more than a single one. A Nintendo one this time. So probably K. Rool.
Now you have a solid 8 characters as DLC and can have an 8-player match solely with them. Which is obviously the most important part.

So tl;dr
Cut: Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario (downgraded to alt), 2/3 Miis, Sheik, Corrin, custom moves.
Added: Dixie, Takamaru, Snake, Impa, Wolf, K. Rool.

Seems good to me.

 

[Opossum]

CUT DARK PIT, CUT HIM STRAIGHT TO HELL

Also cut Lucina. She's cool but superfluous. Same with Alph. Soz.

Dr. Mario can be an alt, not a character.

And yeh, consolidate the Mii. And cut the custom moves. All of em. They're cool... but superfluous. Huh, deja vu. Palutena gets a new default set of specials.

I would personally cut WFT cuz whatever to her, but... she can stay. Wii Fit was a big deal, the Wii era was a big deal...

I'd also cut Sheik and replace her with Impa. Sheik is a bigger deal in Smash than in her series, that's messed up. I know that's contentious but she got separated this time around so it'd be the right time to rip off the bandaid. Keep the same basic moveset, change some aesthetics to better fit Impa.

Now take all that development time making three Miis and an amount of custom moves I don't want to do the math to figure out and instead...

• Add Dixie. You can even make her a semi-clone for all I care. DK needs more characters and Dixie was popular and fit in line more with the "what have we done lately" mentality of the SSB4 newcomer roster.
• Put that Takamaru fellow in there. He seems cool and by the law of "I'm Sakurai now" every game Smash needs their popular retro and their wtf retro and LITTLE MAC ISN'T A RETRO ANYMORE SAKURAI.
• Do your utmost to get Snake. Failing that, cry.

AND REINSTATE ISAAC AS AT.
^look how unbiased I am. Not like that crazy guy who added Chrom.

Also Magicant, Mute City, and Corneria are Wii U stages as well and there's a stage hazard toggle.

Now for DLC:
Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas, Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta can stay. Corrin can **** off. He's cool but no one would even care if he wasn't already a character. Also FE needs to chill. Even with the fact that I cut Lucina.
Wolf is DLC. Tie it in with SF0 for all I care.
And choose one more character from the ballot. So we actually get more than a single one. A Nintendo one this time. So probably K. Rool.
Now you have a solid 8 characters as DLC and can have an 8-player match solely with them. Which is obviously the most important part.

So tl;dr
Cut: Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario (downgraded to alt), 2/3 Miis, Sheik, Corrin, custom moves.
Added: Dixie, Takamaru, Snake, Impa, Wolf, K. Rool.

Seems good to me.

You call it crazy, I call it the power of persuasion.

 

[The Smash Nerd II.0.]

CUT DARK PIT, CUT HIM STRAIGHT TO HELL

Also cut Lucina. She's cool but superfluous. Same with Alph. Soz.

Dr. Mario can be an alt, not a character.

And yeh, consolidate the Mii. And cut the custom moves. All of em. They're cool... but superfluous. Huh, deja vu. Palutena gets a new default set of specials.

I would personally cut WFT cuz whatever to her, but... she can stay. Wii Fit was a big deal, the Wii era was a big deal...

I'd also cut Sheik and replace her with Impa. Sheik is a bigger deal in Smash than in her series, that's messed up. I know that's contentious but she got separated this time around so it'd be the right time to rip off the bandaid. Keep the same basic moveset, change some aesthetics to better fit Impa.

Now take all that development time making three Miis and an amount of custom moves I don't want to do the math to figure out and instead...

• Add Dixie. You can even make her a semi-clone for all I care. DK needs more characters and Dixie was popular and fit in line more with the "what have we done lately" mentality of the SSB4 newcomer roster.
• Put that Takamaru fellow in there. He seems cool and by the law of "I'm Sakurai now" every game Smash needs their popular retro and their wtf retro and LITTLE MAC ISN'T A RETRO ANYMORE SAKURAI.
• Do your utmost to get Snake. Failing that, cry.

AND REINSTATE ISAAC AS AT.
^look how unbiased I am. Not like that crazy guy who added Chrom.

Also Magicant, Mute City, and Corneria are Wii U stages as well and there's a stage hazard toggle.

Now for DLC:
Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas, Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta can stay. Corrin can **** off. He's cool but no one would even care if he wasn't already a character. Also FE needs to chill. Even with the fact that I cut Lucina.
Wolf is DLC. Tie it in with SF0 for all I care.
And choose one more character from the ballot. So we actually get more than a single one. A Nintendo one this time. So probably K. Rool.
Now you have a solid 8 characters as DLC and can have an 8-player match solely with them. Which is obviously the most important part.

So tl;dr
Cut: Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario (downgraded to alt), 2/3 Miis, Sheik, Corrin, custom moves.
Added: Dixie, Takamaru, Snake, Impa, Wolf, K. Rool.

Seems good to me.

Nope.

 

[Opossum]

Nope.

Quality post.


Did you read what this was in response to?

 

[The Smash Nerd II.0.]

Quality post.


Did you read what this was in response to?

Yes I did.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

When posting, try to provide actual useful content. If you don't agree, explain why. You can also simply not reply as well. By not Liking a post, you indicate you either don't care or don't agree with it.

Just saying "nope" is spam.

Do not reply to this message.

 

[Deleted member]

CUT DARK PIT, CUT HIM STRAIGHT TO HELL

Also cut Lucina. She's cool but superfluous. Same with Alph. Soz.

Dr. Mario can be an alt, not a character.

And yeh, consolidate the Mii. And cut the custom moves. All of em. They're cool... but superfluous. Huh, deja vu. Palutena gets a new default set of specials.

I would personally cut WFT cuz whatever to her, but... she can stay. Wii Fit was a big deal, the Wii era was a big deal...

I'd also cut Sheik and replace her with Impa. Sheik is a bigger deal in Smash than in her series, that's messed up. I know that's contentious but she got separated this time around so it'd be the right time to rip off the bandaid. Keep the same basic moveset, change some aesthetics to better fit Impa.

Now take all that development time making three Miis and an amount of custom moves I don't want to do the math to figure out and instead...

• Add Dixie. You can even make her a semi-clone for all I care. DK needs more characters and Dixie was popular and fit in line more with the "what have we done lately" mentality of the SSB4 newcomer roster.
• Put that Takamaru fellow in there. He seems cool and by the law of "I'm Sakurai now" every game Smash needs their popular retro and their wtf retro and LITTLE MAC ISN'T A RETRO ANYMORE SAKURAI.
• Do your utmost to get Snake. Failing that, cry.

AND REINSTATE ISAAC AS AT.
^look how unbiased I am. Not like that crazy guy who added Chrom.

Also Magicant, Mute City, and Corneria are Wii U stages as well and there's a stage hazard toggle.

Now for DLC:
Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas, Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta can stay. Corrin can **** off. He's cool but no one would even care if he wasn't already a character. Also FE needs to chill. Even with the fact that I cut Lucina.
Wolf is DLC. Tie it in with SF0 for all I care.
And choose one more character from the ballot. So we actually get more than a single one. A Nintendo one this time. So probably K. Rool.
Now you have a solid 8 characters as DLC and can have an 8-player match solely with them. Which is obviously the most important part.

So tl;dr
Cut: Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario (downgraded to alt), 2/3 Miis, Sheik, Corrin, custom moves.
Added: Dixie, Takamaru, Snake, Impa, Wolf, K. Rool.

Seems good to me.

......knowing you N3ON, I can't tell if this is your brand of satire or legitimate. 0_o
....also knowing you, that may be the point....

You've played me either way, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

Did you read what this was in response to?

Ah, it is satire. My suspicion was justified.

 

[N3ON]

You call it crazy, I call it the power of persuasion.

Hmm, I suppose Chrom should be added to the roster. And these weren't the droids I was looking for. Carry on.

Nope.

I'm going to take it as flattery that you came out of lurking to make this your first post. xP

......knowing you N3ON, I can't tell if this is your brand of satire or legitimate. 0_o
....also knowing you, that may be the point....

You've played me either way, whether intentionally or unintentionally.



Ah, it is satire. My suspicion was justified.

Hey man, I'm totally serious that Dark Pit should be cut straight to hell.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Spoiler: Cuts and Replacements

Dark Pit, Lucina, and Dr. Mario should be alternate skins. If not, just get rid of'em.

I'd cut Cloud, for while I think he's cool and all that, he don't belong in my Smash Bros., nuh-uh. Don't bring back Snake either, he was incredibly unique but he still doesn't fit in my personal vision of Smash.

Also would chuck out Shulk, who I still feel doesn't have that strong of a place. Elma or a XC2 character could fill that spot instead preferably.

Robin and Corrin can be cut or left in, feel pretty apathetic about their inclusion regardless of whether I like them or not. Avatars just don't easily carry weight for me. Echoes or the upcoming Switch FE could respectably replace them.

Ice Climbers needs to come back, Wolf can come too. Pichu can stay gone, although it'd be a little funny if it came back honestly. Young Link could only come back as an alternate for Toon if their hitboxes and such could match up, maybe that's too much of a stretch.

Like N3ON's idea of squishing Miis and Palutena into just one set. Give the former more of it's own identity and make the latter not suck kthx.

Spoiler: Newcomers

Many would find it unwarranted, but I'd happily accept Spring Man/Ribbon Girl. Anything new and not just an expansion of what we already have is always great.

To go with that, Inklings need to come in. With a second game and their success (and demand), they'd be a great fit and bring in another world.

BRING IN PAPER MARIO GOSH DARN IT. I don't care if it's embodied by Sticker Star or Color Splash. He's visually distinct, has many ways to be unique, and would herald in more of that series than just an annoying 3DS stage. The series is getting longer and longer, this is deserved in my opinion.

We've got Megaman and Pacman, now let's welcome in Bomberman please. All the better time for it with a new Bomberman game coming. Tossing and kicking all sorts of bombs would make him a natural fit for the chaos that is Smash.

We always get more Pokemon, so Incineroar. Would absolutely main in an instant regardless of struggle.

If there is someone of note in Breath of the Wild, since Nintendo is pushing that game hard, I could see such an inclusion and it'd be nice to see a new Zelda addition just in general.

Some sort of Donkey Kong representative, anything really at this point. Not crazy about it, but having just the two gives me sympathy. Personally Dixie Kong seems like an easy, simple selection.

(insert crazy Sakurai ideas for the rest)

Also please give Olimar more pikmin like in Brawl. Make Jigglypuff not as painful to play. Use SMO as an excuse to change up Mario because he is totally bland and represents himself poorly in my opinion. Give Pacman a Ms Pacman set of skins because how was that not a thing with Smash 4? Give Bayonetta a genuine Jeanne skin set, maybe also use costumes from the games. Ensure all Pokemon have a shiny skin. Really just step up the skins in general.

That's all I can think of at the top of my head at the moment.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'd cut Cloud, for while I think he's cool and all that, he don't belong in my Smash Bros., nuh-uh. Don't bring back Snake either, he was incredibly unique but he still doesn't fit in my personal vision of Smash.

Also would chuck out Shulk, who I still feel doesn't have that strong of a place. Elma or a XC2 character could fill that spot instead preferably.

Robin and Corrin can be cut or left in, feel pretty apathetic about their inclusion regardless of whether I like them or not. Avatars just don't easily carry weight for me. Echoes or the upcoming Switch FE could respectably replace them.

Your vision of Smash brings me profound sadness and while I strongly disagree, I can personally respect your decisions...

But this is the internet.

So I have to swear at you.

Poopyhead.

 

[Ura]

In all seriousness, I don't get the argument of how Snake and Cloud don't fit in to Smash Bros.

How exactly do they not fit in a roster that has the likes of ZSS and Bayonetta?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In all seriousness, I don't get the argument of how Snake and Cloud don't fit in to Smash Bros.

How exactly do they not fit in a roster that has the likes of ZSS and Bayonetta?

I think it has something to do with Snake and Cloud being more at home on the Playstation. Bayonetta only had one exclusive, being Nintendo, and it also has Nintendo costumes in her games. ZSS is, well, Nintendo.

In a sense, they don't fit, if you go with that argument. However, if it's a matter of "cause they're more mature characters", ZSS doesn't really count since her games isn't really Mature in the same sense. Bayonetta does. That said, I believe Cloud and Snake fit perfectly fine in Smash. Now, I do admit that Snake could have a different design to work well in Smash For, due to its more cartoony outlook. But I think he'd also stand out in a good way as being the only one to look more gritty.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honestly, seeing all the clashing art styles is part of the reason I enjoy Smash.

tototo

Makes it fun.

 

[Ura]

I think it has something to do with Snake and Cloud being more at home on the Playstation. Bayonetta only had one exclusive, being Nintendo, and it also has Nintendo costumes in her games. ZSS is, well, Nintendo.

In a sense, they don't fit, if you go with that argument. However, if it's a matter of "cause they're more mature characters", ZSS doesn't really count since her games isn't really Mature in the same sense. Bayonetta does. That said, I believe Cloud and Snake fit perfectly fine in Smash. Now, I do admit that Snake could have a different design to work well in Smash For, due to its more cartoony outlook. But I think he'd also stand out in a good way as being the only one to look more gritty.

I never got how people think those characters are Sony characters when they've never been Sony characters at all.

Metal Gear isn't owned by Sony
Final Fantasy isn't owned by Sony

And these are probably the same people that think Crash can't be in Smash Bros because he's a "Sony" character fully ignoring that Crash is owned by Activision and that the only thing Sony owns is the original trilogy + CTR.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I never got how people think those characters are Sony characters when they've never been Sony characters at all.

Metal Gear isn't owned by Sony
Final Fantasy isn't owned by Sony

And these are probably the same people that think Crash can't be in Smash Bros because he's a "Sony" character fully ignoring that Crash is owned by Activision and that the only thing Sony owns is the original trilogy + CTR.

It's what they showed up on the most and are "associated with". Cloud started off as a Sony-exclusive character.

It has nothing to do with who owns them at all.

I don't think it's a really strong argument, but that's what it is. Bayonetta is pretty much associated most with Nintendo, just like regular MegaMan is still(and most of his series' games in general. Only MegaMan X and Legends kind of associates with Sony, moreso the latter than the former). Make sense now?

 

[Ura]

It's what they showed up on the most and are "associated with". Cloud started off as a Sony-exclusive character.

It has nothing to do with who owns them at all.

I don't think it's a really strong argument, but that's what it is. Bayonetta is pretty much associated most with Nintendo, just like regular MegaMan is still(and most of his series' games in general. Only MegaMan X and Legends kind of associates with Sony, moreso the latter than the former). Make sense now?

I get that but it's a really weak argument to make by those people.

Smash Bros isn't only for Nintendo characters and Sakurai stated that appearing on a Nintendo console is more like the cherry on top VS the deciding factor for a character's inclusion.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I get that but it's a really weak argument to make by those people.

Smash Bros isn't only for Nintendo characters and Sakurai stated that appearing on a Nintendo console is more like the cherry on top VS the deciding factor for a character's inclusion.

Never said it wasn't weak. It's still what they use. Only thing I was trying to get across, so you understand why they make that argument.

Sakurai obviously doesn't care about that anyway, so I'm not worried about anything. The actual issue is whether the companies have issues with the characters or not. Also, to be fair, other directors of the series after Sakurai may not see it the same way. But who knows what'll happen.

 

[N3ON]

In all seriousness, I don't get the argument of how Snake and Cloud don't fit in to Smash Bros.

How exactly do they not fit in a roster that has the likes of ZSS and Bayonetta?

They're not characters people associate with Nintendo. It's a Nintendo-oriented crossover, so they stick out.

I'm not of that opinion, but I understand the reasoning behind it. And it makes sense to me. It just isn't how things work.

Imagine Sonic was in an Xbox crossover game. It'd be weird.

It's no coincidence 99% of the third-party requests generally embraced are for characters people associate with Nintendo. Sonic, Mega Man, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, Rayman, Shantae, Bayonetta, Travis Touchdown, Simon Belmont, Crono, Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Banjo-Kazooie, Layton, Phoenix Wright, etc. Especially prior to the DLC. You didn't often see characters like Lara Croft, Cloud (prior to), Crash (up until very recently), Steve, Scorpion, an Assassin's Creed character, etc. being genuinely embraced. But they were still big characters with Nintendo appearances nonetheless.

When people think about third-parties in Smash, the ones they go to, still, are by and large those with a more notable Nintendo presence. Because that's what people associate with Smash. And a character that people wouldn't associate with Smash becomes a questionable fit, in their opinion.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I want to make a roster for a Smash Bros. flash game. Anybody no anyone good at making pixelated art. Kind of like in Smash Flash 2?:https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YhRnXWl3n3E/maxresdefault.jpg

If not, someone who can Photoshop a roster based on this background and mugshot slots and I can provide character images. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xgmAr5iSh7E/maxresdefault.jpg

*double post, my bad

They're not characters people associate with Nintendo. It's a Nintendo-oriented crossover, so they stick out.

I'm not of that opinion, but I understand the reasoning behind it. And it makes sense to me. It just isn't how things work.

Imagine Sonic was in an Xbox crossover game. It'd be weird.

It's no coincidence 99% of the third-party requests generally embraced are for characters people associate with Nintendo. Sonic, Mega Man, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, Rayman, Shantae, Bayonetta, Travis Touchdown, Simon Belmont, Crono, Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Banjo-Kazooie, Layton, Phoenix Wright, etc. Especially prior to the DLC. You didn't often see characters like Lara Croft, Cloud (prior to), Crash (up until very recently), Steve, Scorpion, an Assassin's Creed character, etc. being genuinely embraced. But they were still big characters with Nintendo appearances nonetheless.

When people think about third-parties in Smash, the ones they go to, still, are by and large those with a more notable Nintendo presence. Because that's what people associate with Smash. And a character that people wouldn't associate with Smash becomes a questionable fit, in their opinion.

The point is that Final Fantasy is a series closely associated with Nintendo. So if you're going to pick a Final Fantasy character than it may as well be Cloud. A mascot that has been highly requested in the first place. From what I hear, Terra was the other choice.

 

[N3ON]

The point is that Final Fantasy is a series closely associated with Nintendo. So if you're going to pick a Final Fantasy character than it may as well be Cloud. A mascot that has been highly requested in the first place. From what I hear, Terra was the other choice.

...I was never against Cloud. I was one of the only ones that wanted to see him back when he was pretty much on the blacklist.

But, like, I don't think a choice like Black Mage would've been worse from a series perspective. It might've even been better. But from a fan perspective and a profit perspective, Cloud is the one to go with. And yeah, Terra would probably have made more sense from a Nintendo perspective, but again, not from a fan or profit perspective.

 

[Ura]

They're not characters people associate with Nintendo. It's a Nintendo-oriented crossover, so they stick out.

I'm not of that opinion, but I understand the reasoning behind it. And it makes sense to me. It just isn't how things work.

Imagine Sonic was in an Xbox crossover game. It'd be weird.

It's no coincidence 99% of the third-party requests generally embraced are for characters people associate with Nintendo. Sonic, Mega Man, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, Rayman, Shantae, Bayonetta, Travis Touchdown, Simon Belmont, Crono, Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Banjo-Kazooie, Layton, Phoenix Wright, etc. Especially prior to the DLC. You didn't often see characters like Lara Croft, Cloud (prior to), Crash (up until very recently), Steve, Scorpion, an Assassin's Creed character, etc. being genuinely embraced. But they were still big characters with Nintendo appearances nonetheless.

When people think about third-parties in Smash, the ones they go to, still, are by and large those with a more notable Nintendo presence. Because that's what people associate with Smash. And a character that people wouldn't associate with Smash becomes a questionable fit, in their opinion.

They're still 3rd party characters though.

3rd party as in their not exclusive to one platform.

Hence why said characters aren't "out of place". Where they originated is irrelevant unless they're owned by Sony/Microsoft.

And for that reason I don't think Sonic being in an Xbox crossover game would be weird. He'd fit right in.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

...I was never against Cloud. I was one of the only ones that wanted to see him back when he was pretty much on the blacklist.

But, like, I don't think a choice like Black Mage would've been worse from a series perspective. It might've even been better. But from a fan perspective and a profit perspective, Cloud is the one to go with. And yeah, Terra would probably have made more sense from a Nintendo perspective, but again, not from a fan or profit perspective.

Is Black Mage a main character in the FF series by any extent? I'm curious an too lazy to research.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is Black Mage a main character in the FF series by any extent? I'm curious an too lazy to research.

Kind of.

Black Mage is a class.

 

[N3ON]

They're still 3rd party characters though.

3rd party as in their not exclusive to one platform.

Hence why said characters aren't "out of place". Where they originated is irrelevant unless they're owned by Sony/Microsoft.

And for that reason I don't think Sonic being in an Xbox crossover game would be weird. He'd fit right in.

A character that doesn't fit in their opinion is a character that doesn't fit. A label isn't going to make them feel better. Those technicalities don't matter to people who aren't invested in or knowledgeable about legalities. Equating third-parties to first-parties is flawed from a definition and legal standpoint, and no one is doing that, but saying some might not carry the same personal associations is a matter of discourse and opinion.

You might feel third-parties are interchangeable on the sole basis on not being first-party characters, whereby association and background are irrelevant, but others may view it like a family function where only the family and close friends are invited. Then some other guy who sort of knows the family, but not well, shows up. People weren't expecting him and many might not even want him there. Some might say that outlier would be out of place in this function. And that's the feeling some people get. To say they're wrong is fallacious; it's a matter of opinion. I don't agree with that opinion, but again, I understand it.

Let's say Banjo somehow gets included. Spencer seems up to it, but that's beside the point. That character is still a first-party character from a competing company. Yet Banjo isn't going to seem as "out of place" to some as Snake or Cloud, or even Bayonetta. Because that character comes with his own set of associations, with the technical "legalities" of it being largely irrelevant in the eyes of many, at least from a cohesion standpoint. They just see the character, what it means to them, and where it stands next to Nintendo.

It's really a question of telling people thinking a certain way is going to override how they feel, which obv does not always work.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

A character that doesn't fit in their opinion is a character that doesn't fit. A label isn't going to make them feel better. Those technicalities don't matter to people who aren't invested in or knowledgeable about legalities. Equating third-parties to first-parties is flawed from a definition and legal standpoint, and no one is doing that, but saying some might not carry the same personal associations is a matter of discourse and opinion.

You might feel third-parties are interchangeable on the sole basis on not being first-party characters, whereby association and background are irrelevant, but others may view it like a family function where only the family and close friends are invited. Then some other guy who sort of knows the family, but not well, shows up. People weren't expecting him and many might not even want him there. Some might say that outlier would be out of place in this function. And that's the feeling some people get. To say they're wrong is fallacious; it's a matter of opinion. I don't agree with that opinion, but again, I understand it.

Let's say Banjo somehow gets included. Spencer seems up to it, but that's beside the point. That character is still a first-party character from a competing company. Yet Banjo isn't going to seem as "out of place" to some as Snake or Cloud, or even Bayonetta. Because that character comes with his own set of associations, with the technical "legalities" of it being largely irrelevant in the eyes of many, at least from a cohesion standpoint. They just see the character, what it means to them, and where it stands next to Nintendo.

It's really a question of telling people thinking a certain way is going to override how they feel, which obv does not always work.

I'm cool with any third party getting in as long as they appeal to the fanbase of the game and are increasingly popular.

Super Smash Bros is the only popular game where video game characters come together to fight so I think anybody deserves a chance if they have the credentials.

I'd actually like to see Tracer in Smash. Overwatch is the best thing that ever happened to my adulthood in terms of video games.

A pack with Tracer as a playable character and WatchPoint: Gibraltar as a stage would be neat.

It could be a stage that summons characters and their Ultimates, kinda like the summons in Midgar.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm cool with any third party getting in as long as they appeal to the fanbase of the game and are increasingly popular.

Are you ready for Freddy?

 

[N3ON]

I'm cool with any third party getting in as long as they appeal to the fanbase of the game and are increasingly popular.

Super Smash Bros is the only popular game where video game characters come together to fight so I think anybody deserves a chance if they have the credentials.

I'd actually like to see Tracer in Smash. Overwatch is the best thing that ever happened to my adulthood in terms of video games.

A pack with Tracer as a playable character and WatchPoint: Gibraltar as a stage would be neat.

It could be a stage that summons characters and their Ultimates, kinda like the summons in Midgar.

Yeah, I haven't played Overwatch, but I generally like the character design. I assume if we got an Overwatch character it'd be Tracer, which is cool. I wouldn't really want to see an Overwatch character in Smash without the game actually being on a Nintendo platform, but I'm not against the idea in theory.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Neon did a really good job expressing my view without me even having to elaborate. However, I'd be remiss to not express anything myself all the same.

In all seriousness, I don't get the argument of how Snake and Cloud don't fit in to Smash Bros.

I get that but it's a really weak argument to make by those people.

It has nothing to do with who owns them at all.

I don't think it's a really strong argument, but that's what it is.

Just to be clear, the highlighted word is not an indication of what I mean. I don't "believe" in arguments. It's just as Neon says, Smash Bros. in my heart of hearts is a celebration of Nintendo and that's where it's massive wealth of power comes from for me. I'm not claiming this is only what it is or could be, nor am I saying I don't want you all to have Clouds and Snakes.

Those two are awesome, it wouldn't bother me at all if they came back in truth. It's just I'd be lying if I said that it wouldn't phase me at all if they were absent, and if I had to choose between having such additions or having the creators focus fully on building an experience that is an expression and interaction of what has been and what is Nintendo--it'd unquestionably be the latter for me.

It's not an issue of clashing art styles at all. While having an overarching style in design, "Smashification" as they call it, is good, but like Swampy says, having heavily contrasting characters is fun and is an integral part of the aforementioned expression.

Poopyhead.

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My heart no longer has a place for you Swampy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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My heart no longer has a place for you Swampy.

You lost your place in mine the moment you cut Shulk.

I'm sorry Holder.

I'm just not really feeling it anymore.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

You lost your place in mine the moment you cut Shulk.

I'm sorry Holder.
I'm just not really feeling it anymore.

If we must have a XC1 representative still, it should obviously be the true heropon of the story.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If we must have a XC1 representative still, it should obviously be the true heropon of the story.

You always know how to bring me back, baby.