Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 speculation: Any more to come?

[Guybrush20X6]

Can basically guarantee Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Snake are gone
Wolf, Lucas, and Jigglypuff are still on the edge as well

Well after Ike got in Lucas, Wolf and Jglypf are looking better.

 

[samsparta21]

Well after Ike got in Lucas, Wolf and Jglypf are looking better.

I was expecting Ike to be gone, but I realize why he got in. Unique moveset, been in three Fire Emblem games, two as a main character, and no real reason to cut him. He is pretty much the second face of Fire Emblem after Marth. No saying Chrom can't still get in.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Wolf and Lucas, and especially Jigglypuff has very unique movesets as well. Wolf's and Lucas' Specials and Final Smash are pretty similar to Ness and Fox, but other than that, they are completely unique. And there is absolutely nothing hinting at them could be cut, so you certanly can't guarantee that, ^^

I expect to see Lucas (or Ness) at E3, btw.

 

[samsparta21]

Wolf and Lucas, and especially Jigglypuff has very unique movesets as well. Wolf's and Lucas' Specials and Final Smash are pretty similar to Ness and Fox, but other than that, they are completely unique. And there is absolutely nothing hinting at them could be cut, so you certanly can't guarantee that, ^^

I expect to see Lucas (or Ness) at E3, btw.

Ness is unlockable, so we won't see him, but if Lucas is in then maybe.

The 90-minute Smash Q&A probably won't reveal anything, so our only hope of a newcomer is in the Digital Event. Pretty sure it's going to be the very final game they talk about, like last E3. Best outcome is probably a multi-reveal trailer like Brawl's E3 trailer.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ samsparta21
First, Do give me the quote where Sakurai said Ness is unlockable, please. ^^
Second, So are most likely Luigi, MegaMan, and co as well. Unlockable or not, some characters are revealed anyways.
Please, don't act as if you know things you don't. Even if it IS likely Ness is unlockable, stating it as fact without actually knowing it is just... bad.

Also, of course the Q&A will reveal something. What, you Think they will only answer to things we already know? Seems like a very unneeded Q&A~

And I Think Smash will be brought up pretty early, with Zelda as a grand finalé.

 

[samsparta21]

@ samsparta21
First, Do give me the quote where Sakurai said Ness is unlockable, please. ^^
Second, So are most likely Luigi, MegaMan, and co as well. Unlockable or not, some characters are revealed anyways.
Please, don't act as if you know things you don't. Even if it IS likely Ness is unlockable, stating it as fact without actually knowing it is just... bad.

Also, of course the Q&A will reveal something. What, you Think they will only answer to things we already know? Seems like a very unneeded Q&A~

And I Think Smash will be brought up pretty early, with Zelda as a grand finalé.

Eh, I think Smash will generate more hype than Zelda. Don't get your hopes up for reveals during the Q&A, it's unlikely we'll see something new beyond mechanics.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

With the new stage announced this morning, I wonder how many stages will be announced during E3

 

[MasterofMonster]

Eh, I think Smash will generate more hype than Zelda. Don't get your hopes up for reveals during the Q&A, it's unlikely we'll see something new beyond mechanics.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything major on the Q&A. My Point was just that I wanted you to not state opinion as fact. ^^

And well, technically, yes, it will. But we've seen Smash. Revealing Zelda at the end will be more "WOW!" than "just more Smash".

 

[samsparta21]

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect anything major on the Q&A. My Point was just that I wanted you to not state opinion as fact. ^^

And well, technically, yes, it will. But we've seen Smash. Revealing Zelda at the end will be more "WOW!" than "just more Smash".

Ness being unlockable isn't opinion. He was starter in Melee but unlockable in the others, and since we haven't seen him yet I think it's safe to assume he's unlockable, for now.

Especially if Lucas is in, it'll probably be unlockable Ness with starter Lucas.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Ness being unlockable isn't opinion. He was starter in Melee but unlockable in the others, and since we haven't seen him yet I think it's safe to assume he's unlockable, for now.

We've not seen Wario either. Or MetaKnight, or Lucas, etc etc. Has nothing to do with being unlockable or not. ^^ As been said, Toon Link is already revealed, but is most certanly unlockable.

Also, Unlockable in 64, Starter in Melee, Unlockable in Brawl, Starter in Smash 4. ^^ No, I don't mean that that will happen, but you still can't claim he will be unlockable as if you know it. You are free to Think so yourself, but it's not fact.

 

[samsparta21]

We've not seen Wario either. Or MetaKnight, or Lucas, etc etc. Has nothing to do with being unlockable or not. ^^ As been said, Toon Link is already revealed, but is most certanly unlockable.

Also, Unlockable in 64, Starter in Melee, Unlockable in Brawl, Starter in Smash 4. ^^ No, I don't mean that that will happen, but you still can't claim he will be unlockable as if you know it. You are free to Think so yourself, but it's not fact.

Toon Link might actually be starter this time around. I agree nothing's confirmed, Ness can go either way, but it's likely he will be unlockable.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Toon Link might actually be starter this time around. I agree nothing's confirmed, Ness can go either way, but it's likely he will be unlockable.

See? That's what you should have done from the start, say that it's 'likely', not claim that it WLL be so. ^^ Good, good.

And I do doubt Toon Link will be a starter. But strange things have happend. We'll see.

 

[TheAnvil]

Rest Assured No Characters are cut. I'm 101% sure.

I wouldn't say I was 100% sure. But it's certainly looking unlikely that any will be.

People who say that Squirtle and Ivysaur are "100% cut", I find them to be unbelievably ignorant. I'm yet to see a single shred of actual evidence that makes them any less likely than any other unconfirmed vet. that isn't Mr Game & Watch, Wario or Meta Knight (Sakurai's white board sketch).

 

[samsparta21]

I wouldn't say I was 100% sure. But it's certainly looking unlikely that any will be.

People who say that Squirtle and Ivysaur are "100% cut", I find them to be unbelievably ignorant. I'm yet to see a single shred of actual evidence that makes them any less likely than any other unconfirmed vet. that isn't Mr Game & Watch, Wario or Meta Knight (Sakurai's white board sketch).

Sakurai's whiteboard sketch had a Mr. Saturn, that could mean 3 things.
1. Ness is replaced by Lucas or vice versa
2. Ness and Lucas are both in
3. Neither are in but Mr. Saturn is still an item

I agree that Squirtle and Ivysaur aren't 100% cut, but please stop clinging to them so much.

 

[TheAnvil]

I'm also wondering if this time we'll see the full roster revealed before the game hits. It'll avoid another situation like with Brawl (and I believe Melee) where the rosters leaked just before the games were released.

If that is the case then several already shown characters would potentially be unlockable. I could conceivably see: Megaman, Sonic, Luigi, Sheik, Toon Link, ZSS, Greninja, WFT and Ike as unlockables.

 

[MasterofMonster]

I am personally expecting Sqirtle and Ivysaur to be fully gone, for several reasons. And if them being gone means Jiggly and Mewtwo are here, I'm all for it (but I will miss them).

Anyways, E3.

 

[TheAnvil]

Sakurai's whiteboard sketch had a Mr. Saturn, that could mean 3 things.
1. Ness is replaced by Lucas or vice versa
2. Ness and Lucas are both in
3. Neither are in but Mr. Saturn is still an item

I agree that Squirtle and Ivysaur aren't 100% cut, but please stop clinging to them so much.

Yeah Mr Saturn will probably be an item. And I'm guessing that even if there are cuts, Ness and Lucas are still both in, Sakurai's a self-professed fan of the series and Lucas was a character that he wanted in Melee (as one of the original 12, and a vet of 3 games, Ness is completely safe at this point).

I'm not clinging to anything. There is no proof, hint or shred of evidence to suggest that they're more likely to be cut than any other character, and we have evidence to suggest that no characters are cut. There could be cuts, but acting like it's a certainty is being ignorant to the facts.

The only character in the danger zone is Snake, and that's obviously because he's not Nintendo.

 

[samsparta21]

Yeah Mr Saturn will probably be an item. And I'm guessing that even if there are cuts, Ness and Lucas are still both in, Sakurai's a self-professed fan of the series and Lucas was a character that he wanted in Melee (.

I'm not clinging to anything. There is no proof, hint or shred of evidence to suggest that they're more likely to be cut than any other character, and we have evidence to suggest that no characters are cut.

The only character in the danger zone is Snake, and that's obviously because he's not Nintendo.

Snake's more in the danger zone because of what Kojima said about not working on Smash.

The reasoning behind Squirtle and Ivysaur is that Pokemon Trainer is out, and on their own they take up two extra slots, and are unnecessary characters. The easiest answer for that is just by replacing PT with Charizard. It isn't "evidence" per se, but we don't have a lot of that for anything right now. I'd still keep my expectations low about them.

 

[TheAnvil]

Snake's more in the danger zone because of what Kojima said about not working on Smash.

The reasoning behind Squirtle and Ivysaur is that Pokemon Trainer is out, and on their own they take up two extra slots. The easiest answer for that is just by replacing PT with Charizard. It isn't "evidence" per se, but we don't have a lot of that for anything right now.

Exactly, that's not evidence. That's speculation based on... Well not really anything. Sakurai considered Ivysaur and Squirtle to be fully fledged characters, not 2/3rds of a full character. PT was a gimmick, not a character.

We already know we're not getting many newcomers, so it's really a case of; if Squirtle and Ivysaur don't return, we won't get two newcomers instead. It'll be them or nothing.

One thing worth noting is that neither of them, nor any pre-evolved or evolved form of them popped up as one of the pokeball pokemon that appeared in Greninja's trailer. Of course that doesn't mean a whole lot, but it's certainly a point in their favour.

 

[Kenith]

The only characters in "the danger zone" are Squirtle and Ivysaur, as they were included in Brawl as part of a gimmick that no longer exists, and Snake, because he is a third-party character who hasn't been mentioned yet.

Ness and Jigglypuff are Smash staples who do have some merits on their own; anyone who thinks they will be omitted is delusional.

 

[samsparta21]

We already know we're not getting many newcomers

Whoa there

if Squirtle and Ivysaur don't return, we won't get two newcomers instead. It'll be them or nothing.

Ok you really need to stop stating things you don't know as fact

 

[IntelliHeath1]

 

[Kenith]

Well Ridley sure looks excited for E3.

Ridley:"OMG E3 is in 8 days aren't you EXCITED, Samus????"

Samus:"owowowowowputmedownplzowowowowow"

 

[Radical Larry]

Eight days indeed, my friend. Eight days, indeed.
The hype is unreal!

 

[samsparta21]

8 days until Pikachu confirmed, guys

 

[Radical Larry]

8 days until Pikachu confirmed, guys

You been under a cave? He's been confirmed
Mewtwo and Ghirahim for confirmed characters!

 

[MasterofMonster]

Mr. Saturn was confirmed an item ages ago, btw.

@ IntelliHeath1
Wonderful as usual. Gotta love Ridley. ^^

 

[samsparta21]

You been under a cave? He's been confirmed
Mewtwo and Ghirahim for confirmed characters!

Jokes man, jokes

 

[Radical Larry]

I know, but the hype, man. You gotta agree, this is gonna be BIG! Maybe bigger than Kingdom Hearts 3! Definitely bigger than Hyrule Warriors!
But probably not as big as...
ZELDA WII U (Possibly)

 

[Kenith]

You been under a cave? He's been confirmed
Mewtwo and Ghirahim for confirmed characters!

Ghirahim confirmed?

Spoiler

 

[samsparta21]

I know, but the hype, man. You gotta agree, this is gonna be BIG! Maybe bigger than Kingdom Hearts 3! Definitely bigger than Hyrule Warriors!
But probably not as big as...
ZELDA WII U (Possibly)

I mostly keep my expectations low. The game is big yes, but the second E3 for Brawl was just a release date and a disappointing trailer. That said, I think Nintendo has learned from that, I think we can expect another newcomer.

 

[Radical Larry]

Most likely with the evidence backing it up, it will be Ghirahim who will be a newcomer.
Seeing as in the first, initial announcement for Smash Bros. @ E3, aka SmashFest, where it was the Reggie-bot thing (which was admittedly funny), it played only Ghirahim's themes throughout most, if not the entire video. This would lead me to believe that Ghirahim may be a newcomer. Supporting evidence is that we always get one or three new Zelda newcomers (), and that the Mario cast has 5 compared to the "former limit" of 4 ().

It could be plausible that, should Ganondorf return or not, Ghirahim would take a spot, seeing as he is among the most popular of current new Zelda characters, beating Yuga and Hilda, thus far.

 

[TheAnvil]

Whoa there


Ok you really need to stop stating things you don't know as fact

Sakurai said we won't be getting as many newcomers as we did in the past.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Snake's more in the danger zone because of what Kojima said about not working on Smash.

The reasoning behind Squirtle and Ivysaur is that Pokemon Trainer is out, and on their own they take up two extra slots, and are unnecessary characters. The easiest answer for that is just by replacing PT with Charizard. It isn't "evidence" per se, but we don't have a lot of that for anything right now. I'd still keep my expectations low about them.

Your honestly going to believe what Kojima said? You do know he's one of the biggest trolls in the gaming industry don't you

 

[Kenith]

Most likely with the evidence backing it up, it will be Ghirahim who will be a newcomer.
Seeing as in the first, initial announcement for Smash Bros. @ E3, aka SmashFest, where it was the Reggie-bot thing (which was admittedly funny), it played only Ghirahim's themes throughout most, if not the entire video. This would lead me to believe that Ghirahim may be a newcomer. Supporting evidence is that we always get one or three new Zelda newcomers (), and that the Mario cast has 5 compared to the "former limit" of 4 ().

It could be plausible that, should Ganondorf return or not, Ghirahim would take a spot, seeing as he is among the most popular of current new Zelda characters, beating Yuga and Hilda, thus far.

I don't think the SmashFest video using Ghirahim's theme really helps him directly.

However, the fact that they are using Skyward Sword music, a game that he is in, promotes that game and therefore helps him by promotion.

 

[lilt]

Most likely with the evidence backing it up, it will be Ghirahim who will be a newcomer.
Seeing as in the first, initial announcement for Smash Bros. @ E3, aka SmashFest, where it was the Reggie-bot thing (which was admittedly funny), it played only Ghirahim's themes throughout most, if not the entire video. This would lead me to believe that Ghirahim may be a newcomer. Supporting evidence is that we always get one or three new Zelda newcomers (), and that the Mario cast has 5 compared to the "former limit" of 4 ().

It could be plausible that, should Ganondorf return or not, Ghirahim would take a spot, seeing as he is among the most popular of current new Zelda characters, beating Yuga and Hilda, thus far.

I really doubt that Ghirahim will be an addition to the roster. Before Brawl came out, Zant was expected to be in there. Ghirahim has a very similar role in Skyward Sword like Zant in Twilight Princess, he's more or less just a puppet of the main villain. In that regard he hasn't such importance. Furthermore, Skyward Sword isn't even among the fan's favorites. He really is just a one time villain, like so many other bosses of the franchise. Imo he isn't worthy to be in Smash. Maybe the use of his theme was simply fitting for the video and there's no hint behind it.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Sakurai said we won't be getting as many newcomers as we did in the past.

He also said there wasn't time to include every character that's ever been in a Smash Bros. game, and since it was in a response to a question about charcter cuts, it would seem logical to assume he wasn't just talking about the Melee cuts. He also said that some characters would have to be reduced which could indicate Pokémon Trainer may have just become Charizard.

This is of course, only if we take Sakuria's word as gospel. Which we really shouldn't.

 

[Kenith]

I really doubt that Ghirahim will be an addition to the roster. Before Brawl came out, Zant was expected to be in there. Ghirahim has a very similar role in Skyward Sword like Zant in Twilight Princess, he's more or less just a puppet of the main villain. In that regard he hasn't such importance. Furthermore, Skyward Sword isn't even among the fan's favorites. He really is just a one time villain, like so many other bosses of the franchise. Imo he isn't worthy to be in Smash. Maybe the use of his theme was simply fitting for the video and there's no hint behind it.

Comparing Ghirahim to Zant and not to Midna is about the most insulting thing you can say to Ghirahim fans, mainly because it isn't true.

Midna couldn't have been in Brawl - the roster was decided before TP even came out. And that isn't irrelevant - one of Midna's main assets is her popularity, just like Ghirahim.

 

[TheAnvil]

He also said there wasn't time to include every character that's ever been in a Smash Bros. game, and since it was in a response to a question about charcter cuts, it would seem logical to assume he wasn't just talking about the Melee cuts. He also said that some characters would have to be reduced which could indicate Pokémon Trainer may have just become Charizard.

This is of course, only if we take Sakuria's word as gospel. Which we really shouldn't.

Or it would be logical to assume he was talking about all the characters in Smash Bros, because that's what he actually said.

His exact words:
"So we’re not going to cut characters out of the way, we’re going to put in as many characters as we can, we really want to do that, because it’s good for the fans and good for all of us. But in the event that we do have to cut some characters, I’d like to apologise in advance to those fans.”

To sum up "we aren't aiming to cut any characters, but if we do we're sorry".

 

[Spazzy_D]

Or it would be logical to assume he was talking about all the characters in Smash Bros, because that's what he actually said.

His exact words:
"So we’re not going to cut characters out of the way, we’re going to put in as many characters as we can, we really want to do that, because it’s good for the fans and good for all of us. But in the event that we do have to cut some characters, I’d like to apologise in advance to those fans.”

To sum up "we aren't aiming to cut any characters, but if we do we're sorry".

I understand, but cherry picking quotes is cherry picking quotes. Sakurai contradicts himself quite a bit, I was just saying we shouldn't cling to any one thing he said. Where is the exact quote concerning the number of newcomers, and when was it from?