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[xDD-Master]

Maybe someone (SuSa ) has the time to look into the claymore - against which characters it is usefull, useless and/or not good (Oppenant can use them better than you)

This could be good, because I have the habit to bury a claymore everytime I kill my oppenant.

I will edit this post when someone posts an accurate list ^^

 

[SuSa]

It's applicable to everyone, but I don't suggest it against those who can CG you into your own mine.

I avoid using it most of the time against:

Falco
D3
IC's
Zamus
Peach
Pit

Then there are those who's projectile can make laying one useless:

Pretty much everyone



.... <_< most opponents for some reason don't blow it up if you just avoid it yourself. (EG: Place on one side of stage, camp on other)

 

[TEECO]

I know if you plant a Dsmash on a platform, it will hit DDD, but it wont hit Snake.

 

[SuSa]

If the D3 down throws. But you know, he could up throw you into it. <_

That's when you want port priority. lol

 

[TEECO]

Lol. hellz yeah

It could save you from that awkward area to be off the ledge after the CG though.

 

[Dominic]

It's applicable to everyone, but I don't suggest it against those who can CG you into your own mine.

I avoid using it most of the time against:

Falco
D3
IC's
Zamus
Peach
Pit

Then there are those who's projectile can make laying one useless:

Pretty much everyone



.... <_< most opponents for some reason don't blow it up if you just avoid it yourself. (EG: Place on one side of stage, camp on other)

once again, excellent post Susa. you obviously don't want to explode in a mine when the Ice Climbers 0 to death you

 

[LuLLo]

Characters who have reliable tech-chase attack/grab can also give you trouble, like G&W with his D-throw and Ganondorf (lol..) with is Gerudo. Ike's backthrow can get you on your mine easily, and I'm sure there are other chars with attacks/grabs that send you horizontally. It's not really such a disadvantage, rather something to look out for.
And you forgot Pikachu on the chaingrab list, f-throw chaingrabs too, albeit I don't know if Snake gets chained by it (?)

 

[xDD-Master]

DK can throw you perfect in the Mines too :/

 

[Panix]

I really use mines (like reallly use mines) against people with no projectials or CG's

I.E
MK
Sonic
Marth
DK (I've never been perfectly thrown into a mine by him before)
Wario
CFlac
Gannon
Kirby (because if he up B's I shad and Ftilt)
and gnw (because if he bacons I camp hard ;])

 

[SuSa]

once again, excellent post Susa. you obviously don't want to explode in a mine when the Ice Climbers 0 to death you

They can avoid your mine and taunt you by killing you in it. It's not like they have to CG you towards it. They have ice blocks that can easily blow it up.

At least you can tech the edge spike. If they throw you into your mine or smash you, you are done for however.

 

[Dominic]

what are you talking about ?

who do i ask to petition to have your moderator right removed ?

 

[Denzi]

what are you talking about ?

who do i ask to petition to have your moderator right removed ?

o_0

The IC's could just turn and go in the opposite direction of the mine. and they have variations of their CG where they don't move forward at all. And if you have a higher port they can have one climber throw you into the mine and have the other grab you before you go anywhere. AND they can CG you to a high enough percent and then CG you to the mine so that it kills you.

What's not to get?

 

[Gr1mmy]

Pikachu possibly?

Btw, dominic needs to chill >_>

 

[Zajice]

Mines against Pikachu are pretty much useless. T-jolt always blows it up, and he can easily throw you into it. Forward CG doesn't help.

what are you talking about ?

who do i ask to petition to have your moderator right removed ?

You could have just pointed out the whole ICs thing instead of being a douche and wanting to remove his mod status. Chill out. :/

 

[Gr1mmy]

Yeah, I meant Pikachu = bad.

Need to be more specific.

 

[Ochobobo]

I have the habit to bury a claymore everytime I kill my oppenant.

Whenever someone does this to me, I just use my next stock's starting invincibility frames to walk over the mine and detonate it. Am I missing something here?

 

[SuSa]

o_0

The IC's could just turn and go in the opposite direction of the mine. and they have variations of their CG where they don't move forward at all. And if you have a higher port they can have one climber throw you into the mine and have the other grab you before you go anywhere. AND they can CG you to a high enough percent and then CG you to the mine so that it kills you.

What's not to get?

The fact he is trolling me.

Mine IS relatively useless if your opponent deals with it quickly. (EG: rolls over it or walks over it during their invincibility frames or use a projectile to destroy it, also in some cases a disjointed move can hit it (I think Snake's utilt can actually do this) without them taking damage)

That doesn't mean its useless (also, I use it to punish predictable recoveries while still being able to punish a change up. (EG: Placing mine on stage where I think Falco will recover. Then going to the edge to edgeguard him and cover other options)

EDIT:

Turns out Dominic is the same guy who didn't know you could fsmash while holding an item in February. He also is the 2nd account for someone assuming that it is the same person (I think both speak French and visited similiar places.. so I will assume so)

 

[Dominic]

If your unhapy because the popo took his invincibility frame destroying your mine instead of using those invincibily frame to try to grab/damage you, or if your unhapy because you fell into a mine while being chaingrabed by popo.... LOL

 

[Lemon?]

Whenever someone does this to me, I just use my next stock's starting invincibility frames to walk over the mine and detonate it. Am I missing something here?

When youre done blowing up the mine, ive already got another one planted on the other side of the stage. minegames son!

 

[nevershootme]

you can up-throw as snake underneath a platform with a mine on top to give it the mine damage, but won't add up the u-throw damage...

 

[SuSa]

If your unhapy because the popo took his invincibility frame destroying your mine instead of using those invincibily frame to try to grab/damage you, or if your unhapy because you fell into a mine while being chaingrabed by popo.... LOL

If your unhappy because the IC's chaingrabbed you and completely avoided your mine or if your unhappy because you faced an IC's that didn't pivot ice block desynch, blow up your mine with a Nana ice block and try to grab you with Popo..... LOL

 

[phi1ny3]

*knows how SuSa feels with the troll*
All I know is that in doubles, D3 inhale + snake mine = win!
And mine seems pretty useless against smart opponents, but it does have it's occasional uses.

 

[Asul]

Just plant another one, if he walks over it.
Just DK may be a problem, cause he can pick you up, walk and throw you into it.

 

[hundreds of utilts]

Yeah, recently i've been trying to use claymores more often but it just seems they're too easily dealt with by someone who is trying to get rid of them. MK's sword for instance seems to reach far enough for him to safely blow them up. I've also seen people step on them and have enough time to sheild before it explodes. They're great when the opponent isn't paying attention though.

EDIT: Turns out Dominic is the same guy who didn't know you could fsmash while holding an item in February.

LOL

 

[Dominic]

haha i am quite sure i knew i could fsmash with a item back in febuary. but even if i didnt know it, so what. Anyways its pretty funny you guys think i am troling hehe. good day

 

[SuSa]

I love how you didn't refute my argument this time. Also you were the one who made the thread, being able to look at all your 48 posts sure is useful.

Wish you and your plentiful knowledge (obviously it's superior to mine) would drop by and contribute more, and actually be able to back up your claims.

hehe.
Good day.

 

[Timbers]

>_>

Making an opponent waste their invincibility by detonating your mine is worth it. I don't see why there's any issue laying one against Climbers. Being CGd into your own mine is tauntworthy but holds no more effectiveness than getting fully charged usmashed out of an infinite. I don't even know why ICs are being mentioned, they're pretty irrelevant in the case of laying a mine...if they blow it up oh well they shave off a few frames of invincibility, if they don't then you only have more options...

 

[Dominic]

i am not sure what thread i made saying i want to learn to fsmash with a item, but ok buddy

 

[feardragon64]

SuSa why are you arguing with a troll?
Mods should know better. >> (they can also do worse)

 

[theONEjanitor]

so, I never use mines.
is that bad.

 

[SuSa]

>_>

Making an opponent waste their invincibility by detonating your mine is worth it. I don't see why there's any issue laying one against Climbers. Being CGd into your own mine is tauntworthy but holds no more effectiveness than getting fully charged usmashed out of an infinite. I don't even know why ICs are being mentioned, they're pretty irrelevant in the case of laying a mine...if they blow it up oh well they shave off a few frames of invincibility, if they don't then you only have more options...

IC's can Pivot Ice Block Desynch. Blowing up your mine, and still approaching you. Being CG'd into (or away from) your mine makes it useless.

Most every character has a reliable way to blow up the mine (besides simply rolling over it...) and many don't even "waste" their invincibility frames blowing it up. (Mario can fireball with a b-reverse if needed, then approach you) and many characters can abuse it like you can. (Diddy nanner' lock into your mine > hit you during hitstun. D3 CG into mine > do the same. Falco CG>Spike into mine > spike > FF nair > laser lock (can't remember if it's FF nair or FF sourspotted bair), many characters can throw you into the mine like you can do to them.)

Yes, placing the mine does not hurt really.... but it's situational depending on how your opponent reacts. If they are the type that charge you, forgetting the mine. Continue laying them.

I find it better for edgeguarding/keeping control of certain platforms (that some characters would have a harder time blowing up with their projectile) then laying when my opponent dies; etc.

SuSa why are you arguing with a troll?
Mods should know better. >> (they can also do worse)

It's fun, and sadly some people believe troll's when someone else can't argue against them. <_<

so, I never use mines.
is that bad.

They aren't that bad or as bad as I'm making them sound (which is pretty awful) it's just they are far more situational...